hagonshocker Posted April 29, 2016 Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 to be fair a lot of people already do that when we get re-used rain off programmes with inserts @£3 a pop.. Yeah especially our lot! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 You know how crazy this season is when not only is Bridger at reserve for Lakeside but even more crazy is Pedersen at reserve for Poole and PK at reserve for Wolves!! Teams like Coventry, King's Lynn (& now Swindon) with draft riders at reserve haven't got a chance against those type of riders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 Matt Ford, don't think many could disagree with you on this one http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/14540126.Speedway__Matt_Ford_backs_calls_for_a_mid_season_review_of_reserve_rules/?ref=twtrec Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 Matt Ford, don't think many could disagree with you on this one http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/14540126.Speedway__Matt_Ford_backs_calls_for_a_mid_season_review_of_reserve_rules/?ref=twtrec Simple scrap FTR and go back to the old format if the EL is to have any credibility as the top british league !!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 How many B fixtures have been run so far? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 Matt Ford, don't think many could disagree with you on this one http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/14540126.Speedway__Matt_Ford_backs_calls_for_a_mid_season_review_of_reserve_rules/?ref=twtrec I do think the 6 team place offs would have been a silly idea in a 8 team league. I think the answer would be to bring back the old race format where there's no protected heats for reserves. Then if they manage to move up in to main team in that format, they should cope better. Make it 1 Brit at reserve rule or min of 2 per each team anywhere in line up. If one draft rider has to be at reserve then use EL averages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 The BSPA know they have ballsed up with the EDR rules this season, why on earth they don't make sensible new rules asap I don't know, as long as anything is fair to all teams why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SPEEDY69 Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 The BSPA know they have ballsed up with the EDR rules this season, why on earth they don't make sensible new rules asap I don't know, as long as anything is fair to all teams why not? Yes, seems daft doesn't it but there'll be winners and losers and the winners may well not agree to change! Whoever gets it right in having a trump card at reserve will win the play offs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyb Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 Simple scrap FTR and go back to the old format if the EL is to have any credibility as the top british league !!! Why not go back to the old rules of thirty years ago. The two riders with the lowest average over the last six meetings go down to reserve Nos. 6 and 7. It would also give every rider a chance to ride with someone else. You might get the prima donnas moaning but it would help young riders to improve instead of riding amongst themselves. It did create a few problems if teams had ridden the previous night and no-one had worked the averages out, but there aren't too many instances now, and it is simple now with computers or whatever to instantaneously work figures out, even for the half-brained. Apart from Rider Replacement, this is the only rule from years ago that hasn't been re-tried as far as I can recollect. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 There can be no fair way for it to be done. How many matches have been won and lost already where the top scoring reserves have acquired massive points. Would it be fair on those teams that lost to change the rules now. It was always a stupid idea allowing for the movement of reserves with protected race format, they were always going to score higher than others. Then allowing seasoned heat leaders into those protected heats. It was always going to be chaos. Any integrity the league once had, has long gone. Its too late for changes now, let this year continue as the farce it is, but instead of wasting more time, why don't the BSPA put their heads together now, rip up the whole rule book, and start again from scratch for the year 2017...... That way they have a 6 month start on a new beginning....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 Matt Ford, don't think many could disagree with you on this one http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/14540126.Speedway__Matt_Ford_backs_calls_for_a_mid_season_review_of_reserve_rules/?ref=twtrec I only disagree with the part that says Poole have been hit harder than most by the rule!! 2 of the best 5 reserves in the league ride at Poole. When one moves up they have either the Australian champ or Bjarne Pedersen dropping down. I agree it needs looking at but Poole are hardly the worst hit are they!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 I only disagree with the part that says Poole have been hit harder than most by the rule!! 2 of the best 5 reserves in the league ride at Poole. When one moves up they have either the Australian champ or Bjarne Pedersen dropping down. I agree it needs looking at but Poole are hardly the worst hit are they!! No we are not but Matt Ford is asking for change so that is fairer to all edr riders. Don't critisize Matt Ford for asking fir the change all fans want to see. Lets see it implemented for theB fixtures to givean even playing field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 (edited) Poole probably are the worst hit by the rule, if one of their top 5 goes to reserve it dents them in other heats more than most due to the chasm in ability between top 5 and reserves and they also have lost a little due to the balancing of reserve heats, something that had been their strength the last few years. A change back to the old format of last season would work in their favour IMO. Edited June 7, 2016 by The Mockingjay 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 No we are not but Matt Ford is asking for change so that is fairer to all edr riders. Don't critisize Matt Ford for asking fir the change all fans want to see. Lets see it implemented for theB fixtures to givean even playing field. That wouldn't even things up as some teams have already ridden B fixtures. So I hope it's looked at at the end of the season is it should be. Otherwise it will help some more than others and that is not fair at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 I think people overstate the impact, you can't just look at what the reserve scored but what the edr in the top 5 scored as well, and then compare to what you would expect them to have scored if riding positions were reversed. To me the current system favors sides with weak reserves, sides like Poole probably benefit the least (and hence would benefit most from edr having to stay at reserve). End of the day the issue is that once they decided edr could be promoted (and I think that is a good thing), they should have gone back to a conventional format. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 Wasn't Chapman at the agm? Yes, and your point is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 Unless the reserve in question is good enough to hold their own ???!! Starke, like Ellis is a Tier 2 EDR which points to why the rule should only apply to Tier 1 EDRs as was originally proposed. Not everyone fiddled the EDR system to make sure they had EDR riders who could hold their own in the top 5. As ever, if it's okay for Poole it's got to be okay for everyone else. What price Holder in a reserve berth in time for the play-offs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 Not everyone fiddled the EDR system to make sure they had EDR riders who could hold their own in the top 5. As ever, if it's okay for Poole it's got to be okay for everyone else. What price Holder in a reserve berth in time for the play-offs? It was ridiculous that converted Pl averages were used, and yes Poole benefitted.But Poole Imo gain less from having a holder or Pedersen at reserve than a team with weak reserves benefits. It's questionable Imo whether holder atcreserve strengthenso Poole compared to Newman being in that position. Either way, by the time we get to the playoffs I think most riders will gave had time in each slot and averages should actually bear some reflection of ability. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 Was he asleep? Still not getting your point?!? He's 1 man from 8 promoters plus the existing chairman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronScorpion Posted June 7, 2016 Report Share Posted June 7, 2016 The rules for 2016 were put in place at the AGM & voted on by all promoters & ruling body. There was, later, a fresh vote & a new Chairman(Chapman) & Vice-Chairman(Godfrey) & different Committee Members voted in. It was said & put in print(Speedway Star) that they could not change anything until the next EGM or AGM so we were stuck with the 2016 Rules & Reg's 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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