Crump99 Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 ..be careful what you wish for , it may come true . It did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 Peterborough would be best served sticking with what they have rather than making changes. They will always be quite vulnerable at home as the track is just that much fun to ride that teams will always turn up with the attitude that they can do something, it is why you will get guys like Allen and BWD racing there first time and scoring points they might not at other tracks they visit first time (Edinburgh and Newcastle for example). I don’t think a change of side would massively alter the attitude of away riders, so they are best served just riding it out and picking up what they can on the road and accepting a blip at home is never far away IMO. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 years a go you jump at it but he's another dane who can't gate He's more exiting when he doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 4 points per meeting away from home + 0 points per meeting at home still puts you in the playoffs!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 4 points per meeting away from home + 0 points per meeting at home still puts you in the playoffs!! This team isn't good enough to make the play offs imo. Porsing and Palm Toft are just not doing their jobs, especially in a team built way under the limit... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 yes he can score more than a couple of points , it was mostly 4/5 away and he always moaned about his home track not being prepared to his liking. rene has an empty diary, so give him a call and see where it goes from there ..be careful what you wish for , it may come true . No thanks he wouldn't be an improvement , he can't gate any better than M.P.T. and I can't ever remember him having a decent meeting around the showground and there is not much out there who would be an improvement although I can think of one particular rider who may become available who has a good pedigree of heatleader standard and would be well suited to the showground, I imagine Ged will be well aware of his situation and on his radar if the chance arises ,wont name him as I wouldn't want to alert other clubs of his possible availability. Otherwise it's as you were and stick with what we've got and regroup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flagrag Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 With the weather being pretty good yesterday I made the trip up to Alwalton and I am very glad that I did there was some excellent racing with plenty of passing. Somerset rode as a team and everybody chipped in with valuable points apart from Zach W who was having bike problems. I was very impressed by both BWD and Jake Alllen who both rode the track very well. For the Panthers MPT was very poor and seemed uninterested and Grondal did not seem like the rider he was last season. Lambert was his typical self great when a bit of grip then not much and has poor away form. From what I got told after the meeting team changes will be happening and the name mentioned to me was Adam Ellis but club are unsure on costings as unlikely to be able to do all 3 leagues and would need to drop NL so they will need to make it worth his while as am sure he is on very good money at Eastbourne now. I understand there is an BSPA agreement that NL clubs release riders if they can get a PL place so have to wait and see. Another option that may become available is N Klindt who doesn't seem to be getting picked for Poland at the moment so if that continues he may consider PL again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 (edited) Peterborough would be best served sticking with what they have rather than making changes. They will always be quite vulnerable at home as the track is just that much fun to ride that teams will always turn up with the attitude that they can do something, it is why you will get guys like Allen and BWD racing there first time and scoring points they might not at other tracks they visit first time (Edinburgh and Newcastle for example). I don’t think a change of side would massively alter the attitude of away riders, so they are best served just riding it out and picking up what they can on the road and accepting a blip at home is never far away IMO. Yup, that's the attitude that means that our last trophy was in 2006. The old stick with it they'll come good Tetley philosophy. Successive home defeats with few race winners is a heck of a blip in April. Paying decent away scores on the back of diminishing home crowds who like to see their riders and team win at home would suggest that the delivery of a new rider or two is equally important as the delivery of new shale. Edited April 25, 2016 by Crump99 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 With the weather being pretty good yesterday I made the trip up to Alwalton and I am very glad that I did there was some excellent racing with plenty of passing. Somerset rode as a team and everybody chipped in with valuable points apart from Zach W who was having bike problems. I was very impressed by both BWD and Jake Alllen who both rode the track very well. For the Panthers MPT was very poor and seemed uninterested and Grondal did not seem like the rider he was last season. Lambert was his typical self great when a bit of grip then not much and has poor away form. From what I got told after the meeting team changes will be happening and the name mentioned to me was Adam Ellis but club are unsure on costings as unlikely to be able to do all 3 leagues and would need to drop NL so they will need to make it worth his while as am sure he is on very good money at Eastbourne now. I understand there is an BSPA agreement that NL clubs release riders if they can get a PL place so have to wait and see. Another option that may become available is N Klindt who doesn't seem to be getting picked for Poland at the moment so if that continues he may consider PL again Adam Ellis wouldn't be a bad shout but I don't think N.Klindt is what we need, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 (edited) Another option that may become available is N Klindt who doesn't seem to be getting picked for Poland at the moment so if that continues he may consider PL again Ironic that you mention Klindt as he was the 2013 stick with him and he'll come good signing until Sullivan arrived and he wasn't quite as patient. PETERBOROUGH have swooped to sign Danish International Nicolai Klindt as they look to get their troubled season back-on-track. Edited April 25, 2016 by Crump99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 Yup, that's the attitude that means that our last trophy was in 2006. The old stick with it they'll come good Tetley philosophy. Successive home defeats with few race winners is a heck of a blip in April. Paying decent away scores on the back of diminishing home crowds who like to see their riders and team win at home would suggest that the delivery of a new rider or two is equally important as the delivery of new shale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New era Panthers Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 Yup, that's the attitude that means that our last trophy was in 2006. The old stick with it they'll come good Tetley philosophy. Successive home defeats with few race winners is a heck of a blip in April. Paying decent away scores on the back of diminishing home crowds who like to see their riders and team win at home would suggest that the delivery of a new rider or two is equally important as the delivery of new shale. interesting that it's taken 2 home defeats to get a fresh delivery of shale, not sure that's the total answer it may help but riders should be better prepared and able to adapt to the surface put in front of them Somerset had 2 riders who had never ridden the showground before and they rode it quite well . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 Yup, that's the attitude that means that our last trophy was in 2006. The old stick with it they'll come good Tetley philosophy. Successive home defeats with few race winners is a heck of a blip in April. Paying decent away scores on the back of diminishing home crowds who like to see their riders and team win at home would suggest that the delivery of a new rider or two is equally important as the delivery of new shale. I think this side already has come good as such, picking up big wins on the road is pretty tough. The side Peterborough would have to build to go unbeaten at home would cost a fortune as it would need to be absurdly strong from 1-7 just to counteract what other sides can do around their track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 (edited) interesting that it's taken 2 home defeats to get a fresh delivery of shale, not sure that's the total answer it may help but riders should be better prepared and able to adapt to the surface put in front of them Somerset had 2 riders who had never ridden the showground before and they rode it quite well .Its no good having Danes in the team if you don't have slick track.Peterborough track with a bit of dirt does produce great racing though. Edited April 25, 2016 by Fromafar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 (edited) I think this side already has come good as such, picking up big wins on the road is pretty tough. The side Peterborough would have to build to go unbeaten at home would cost a fortune as it would need to be absurdly strong from 1-7 just to counteract what other sides can do around their track. I'll leave hansfan to comment on the value of those away wins. I don't think that he'd agree and I'm no student of such things these days. Don't agree with the second part. You just need riders who can ride the place (and are happy to do so), have a track record of regularly consistent trapping (which would have excluded MPT for starters) and tell them that a consistent level of shale on track is part of the deal. Don't see why that costs an absurd amount. Edited April 25, 2016 by Crump99 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 What a performance and what a result this is for the Rebels. I think this will make people sit up and take notice of us for sure. Charles Wright has been sensational this year so far for us and Swindon, and still a lot to offer from Starke to come we have a mighty strong top 5 if Tungate can remain consistent. Wilson Dean has surprised many including myself and looks a very handy reserve. I feel for Zack and I'm sure in the coming weeks he will soon be banging on the points that many expected of him at the start of the year. Sublime from Grajczonek and Allen too. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 I'll leave hansfan to comment on the value of those away wins. I don't think that he'd agree and I'm no student of such things these days. Don't agree with the second part. You just riders who can ride the place (and are happy to do so), have a track record of regularly consistent trapping (which would have excluded MPT for starters) and tell them that a consistent level of shale on track is part of the deal. Don't see why that costs an absurd amount. Redcar and Scunthorpe both look weak but actually going and taking a win, and taking a win in the manor Peterborough did is easier said than done. It would cost a lot IMO, as in order to sign a side that wins every week at home at Peterborough you would need to sign one of the top 2 or 3 riders in every position as it is one of the few tracks that I would assume most riders in the league will like and will turn up on and ride in a way they wouldn’t a lot of other tracks in the country and thus the standards that have to be hit at home every week will be a lot higher than some tracks where they can dial it in against a lot of sides in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crump99 Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 Redcar and Scunthorpe both look weak but actually going and taking a win, and taking a win in the manor Peterborough did is easier said than done. It would cost a lot IMO, as in order to sign a side that wins every week at home at Peterborough you would need to sign one of the top 2 or 3 riders in every position as it is one of the few tracks that I would assume most riders in the league will like and will turn up on and ride in a way they wouldn’t a lot of other tracks in the country and thus the standards that have to be hit at home every week will be a lot higher than some tracks where they can dial it in against a lot of sides in the league. Panthers away in days gone by I'd agree but not these days. We turned up confident and it was just a question of how many. We've been arguing for years against our massive home advantage (irrespective of track preparation) on the basis that the track is fair for all and everyone can ride it, but that always fell on deaf ears. Now all of a sudden we don't have any home track advantage and everyone visiting is comfortable riding the place - funny old world innit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hans fan Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 Redcar and Scunthorpe both look weak but actually going and taking a win, and taking a win in the manor Peterborough did is easier said than done. It would cost a lot IMO, as in order to sign a side that wins every week at home at Peterborough you would need to sign one of the top 2 or 3 riders in every position as it is one of the few tracks that I would assume most riders in the league will like and will turn up on and ride in a way they wouldn’t a lot of other tracks in the country and thus the standards that have to be hit at home every week will be a lot higher than some tracks where they can dial it in against a lot of sides in the league. it can't carry on ..... so panthers put more shale on the track to make it more grippy it was extremely grippy against Sheffield and the score flattered us , the bottom line is certain riders are not willing or able to mix it up on home shale Another loss at home to Sheffield is not acceptable these 7 riders aren't capable of beating them , they can blame the track all they like but mpt is the new (bager) but is a worse gater and grondal doesn't do it for me at home ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baldyman Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 Putting more shale on doesn't automatically make it more grippy. It's how it's binded together that makes the grip. You don't want it very grippy anyway with all those Danes. Why not prepare the track to suit both the types of rider? Or don't you have a track man that could do that? You can tell by where the rider rides on the track by what he prefers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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