LagutaRacingFan Posted April 28, 2016 Report Share Posted April 28, 2016 Whats wrong with having good riders down at reserve, surely it shows the strength of the league? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted April 28, 2016 Report Share Posted April 28, 2016 For the past two seasons a lot of fans were criticising the EL for keeping reserves at reserve all season. Now fans are criticising the EL for moving reserves up and down. Any second string / heat leader moving to reserve in the next month who dominates scoring from that position will move up again, any reserve moving up to the heat leader slot may struggle and move down. Swings and roundabouts. Just deal with the situation. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted April 28, 2016 Report Share Posted April 28, 2016 Rules cant be changed mid season. Oh wait, they did it to make sure Poole didn't make the playoffs a few years ago....... The PL reserve rule was changed mid season effecting Rye House and Mildenhall, 2006 I think it was. Don't turn this into an anti Poole thing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted April 28, 2016 Report Share Posted April 28, 2016 The PL reserve rule was changed mid season effecting Rye House and Mildenhall, 2006 I think it was. Don't turn this into an anti Poole thing. That was the u-21 rule when you had Woffy at reserve wasn't it?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted April 28, 2016 Report Share Posted April 28, 2016 That was the u-21 rule when you had Woffy at reserve wasn't it?? No, it was grading. Mildenhall had Armstrong and rye house had box all, both were scoring a bucket load 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadders Posted April 28, 2016 Report Share Posted April 28, 2016 (edited) No, it was grading. Mildenhall had Armstrong and rye house had box all, both were scoring a bucket loadAs I recall, the rule was British reserves would stay at reserve for the season. About May/June Boxall was averaging around 8 points, Armstrong over 7, so the BSPA abandoned that idea!Someone's bound to correct some or all of that, my memory ain't what it was!! Edited April 28, 2016 by Shads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWC Posted April 28, 2016 Report Share Posted April 28, 2016 As I recall, the rule was British reserves would stay at reserve for the season. About May/June Boxall was averaging around 8 points, Armstrong over 7, so the BSPA abandoned that idea! Someone's bound to correct some or all of that, my memory ain't what it was!! Correct Shads Rye being one of the the few teams to promote young GB riders were stuffed well and truly. As I recall we had Boxall riding like a heat leader having made rapid strides and Bowen who came up from the Raiders His points return at home was exceeding expectations until he had that terrible crash and broken leg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted April 28, 2016 Report Share Posted April 28, 2016 Whats wrong with having good riders down at reserve, surely it shows the strength of the league? Definately, look at Poole .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted April 28, 2016 Report Share Posted April 28, 2016 Definately, look at Poole .. tells us all you need to know about you Starman when you like a post from the demented freak that is Morrisseyfan. Not a brain cell between you...brilliant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted April 28, 2016 Report Share Posted April 28, 2016 (edited) tells us all you need to know about you Starman when you like a post from the demented freak that is Morrisseyfan. Not a brain cell between you...brilliant But he's right, look at us... Edited April 28, 2016 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ABS Posted April 29, 2016 Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 They changed because their new formula was sending the public to sleep and the commentators were nearly put in a coma. F1 should patent itself as a cure for insomnia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted April 29, 2016 Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 (edited) For the past two seasons a lot of fans were criticising the EL for keeping reserves at reserve all season. Now fans are criticising the EL for moving reserves up and down. Any second string / heat leader moving to reserve in the next month who dominates scoring from that position will move up again, any reserve moving up to the heat leader slot may struggle and move down. Swings and roundabouts. Just deal with the situation. The problem is not riders moving up and down through the team - that went on for decades, highly successfully. The objection is that the the 'protected heat' formula has been kept. This formula distorts averages hugely and has already led to reserves starting the season protected completely from racing heat leaders finding themselves racing against them all the time. The format and allowing movement through the team are completely in conflict! Why 'protect' FTRs from heat leaders one moment then make them ride against them all the time just because they've been consistently beating fellow FTRs? I'm baffled that so many can't see this! Do they actually understand what's going on or does it not suit their agenda to understand? Edited April 29, 2016 by rmc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted April 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 The problem is not riders moving up and down through the team - that went on for decades, highly successfully. The objection is that the the 'protected heat' formula has been kept. This formula distorts averages hugely and has already led to reserves starting the season protected completely from racing heat leaders finding themselves racing against them all the time. The format and allowing movement through the team are completely in conflict! Why 'protect' FTRs from heat leaders one moment then make them ride against them all the time just because they've been consistently beating fellow FTRs? I'm baffled that so many can't see this! Do they actually understand what's going on or does it not suit their agenda to understand? You are spot on with this, should have reverted to the previous heat formula, once it was decided to allow promotion and relegation of rider positions based on how many points they score.... Absolutely straight away it should have changed back, no ifs or buts.... Completely and utterly self conflicting now.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
remembertheracers Posted April 29, 2016 Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 It is typical incompetence, no wonder the sport is in such a state especially at EL level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted April 29, 2016 Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 You are spot on with this, should have reverted to the previous heat formula, once it was decided to allow promotion and relegation of rider positions based on how many points they score.... Absolutely straight away it should have changed back, no ifs or buts.... Completely and utterly self conflicting now.. Thank you. Glad somebody gets the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted April 29, 2016 Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 Year on year the promoters f*ck it up at the AGM .... IF what roscoe said is true and the promotion of the draft riders into the 1-5 was a last minute thing then, surely it was done after the draft riders were picked, meaning some teams ie coventry would of picked different draft riders if they knew they could go up into 1-5 , garrity not of been in 1-5 from the start... another cock up ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted April 29, 2016 Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 Year on year the promoters f*ck it up at the AGM .... IF what roscoe said is true and the promotion of the draft riders into the 1-5 was a last minute thing then, surely it was done after the draft riders were picked, meaning some teams ie coventry would of picked different draft riders if they knew they could go up into 1-5 , garrity not of been in 1-5 from the start... another cock up ... Garrity didn't want to be a draft rider so it's irrelevant. I'm sure Cov tried to convince him to stay there but why should he if he feels he is ready to move up? Cov were unlucky because they had little option once they protected Sarj and it's unfair to lay the blame at Garrity's door for Cov's team building. Off all the fast trackers I admire Garrity the most for moving up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted April 30, 2016 Report Share Posted April 30, 2016 Why didn't Coventry pick Ellis in the draft? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted April 30, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2016 Garrity didn't want to be a draft rider so it's irrelevant. I'm sure Cov tried to convince him to stay there but why should he if he feels he is ready to move up? Cov were unlucky because they had little option once they protected Sarj and it's unfair to lay the blame at Garrity's door for Cov's team building. Off all the fast trackers I admire Garrity the most for moving up. Yes, but when that was an issue, the draft riders were draft riders for the season, had the rule that allowed them to move into the top 5 had already been in place, I think he would have been ok with starting at 6... Great way to start a season, 4 matches to get ya bikes and head in the right place, then off into the top 5.. Perfick...!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted April 30, 2016 Report Share Posted April 30, 2016 Garrity didn't want to be a draft rider so it's irrelevant. I'm sure Cov tried to convince him to stay there but why should he if he feels he is ready to move up? Cov were unlucky because they had little option once they protected Sarj and it's unfair to lay the blame at Garrity's door for Cov's team building. Off all the fast trackers I admire Garrity the most for moving up. my point was when he decided he wanted to move up the rules were not set in place that a draft could be elevated into top 5 , he thought like all of us that if your a draft rider your there all season long, maybe he would of started as a reserve then moved up if the rules were decided earlier were the draft riders already decided then the rules were changed for them to be able to go 1-5 if so then that aint right Yes, but when that was an issue, the draft riders were draft riders for the season, had the rule that allowed them to move into the top 5 had already been in place, I think he would have been ok with starting at 6... Great way to start a season, 4 matches to get ya bikes and head in the right place, then off into the top 5.. Perfick...!! precisely my point, garrity decided before the rules were changed that he wanted to go 1-5 , but the rules that were in place when he decided were that a draft rider was a reserve all season the draft riders were then picked , garrity not one of them for reasons above , then the rules were changed to allow a reserve to go 1-5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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