Shale Searcher Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 What do you reckon? Change race format back, or change EDR rules now, not next year.. It can be done, it should be done, will it be done?? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Rules cant be changed mid season. Oh wait, they did it to make sure Poole didn't make the playoffs a few years ago....... The same rules apply to all clubs. Riders will move around the team in every club so what's the issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 That it would be mental if they did given thus far the season (Leicester apart who are terrible irrespective of race format) isn’t actually playing out on track as was predicted and has actually been quite competitive with surprise results already and a nice close league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 (edited) They could easily change it so that the management and ftr rider can decide if the ftr rider going into the 1 - 5 becomes a heat leader or second string, once that decision is made then they stick at it. They also need to change the average calculation format or next year the averages are going to be more of a joke than they are now. Edited April 22, 2016 by A ORLOV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shippy22 Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 The averages in the Elite League are a complete farce, and it makes no sense for FTR to move up to heat leaders based on averages obtained in protected races. I cannot believe that the promoters could not see what was going to happen. The most sensible thing would be to race the "B" fixtures using the race format used in the PL and NL. The reserves still get slightly easier races, and the heat leaders slightly tougher races. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Rules cant be changed mid season. Oh wait, they did it to make sure Poole didn't make the playoffs a few years ago....... Poole were caught with their 'hands in the till'. Don't play the innocent - that horse bolted long ago. The most sensible thing would be to race the "B" fixtures using the race format used in the PL and NL. The reserves still get slightly easier races, and the heat leaders slightly tougher races. A very sensible suggestion - so no chance then..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 A transparent agm is whats needed ,so we the fans know which promoter dreampt up this idea and which promoters backed him and voted it in , we could then name and shame , and all the negativity would make them stop and think before they vote for something stupid next time would a promoter be more or less likely to draft a rule in his name when us the fans would know it was his idea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 A transparent agm is whats needed ,so we the fans know which promoter dreampt up this idea and which promoters backed him and voted it in , we could then name and shame , and all the negativity would make them stop and think before they vote for something stupid next time would a promoter be more or less likely to draft a rule in his name when us the fans would know it was his idea? They are not usually bothered about what fans think! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Rules cant just be changed ad hoc. Agree with Shippys idea that for the B fixtures the old race formula could be used. Averages for 2017 perhaps could then be calculated using B fixtures only to weed out some of the inaccuracies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Based on this year's proposals for team building, for 2017 there is likely to be a heat leader's list; a 2nd string list and an EDR list that all (or most by majority) promoters will agree to. Maybe they will be 'graded'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Rules cant just be changed ad hoc. Didn't Formula 1 change the qualifying rules cos they didn't work? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
500cc Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 There will be changes, but not to the race format. Do you seriously think the promoters will pay points money to "expensive" riders riding at reserve whilst cheap FTR riders are getting virtually no points money when riding as heat leaders. This is one area I thought the promoters would not have got wrong. Assuming the points money is as I suspect, then something will happen. But it will be for money, nothing else ... although the accompanying press release will obviously refer to anything but money !!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Absolutely no way should rules and regulations be changed mid season. Some teams did their homework right in the close season and others didn't or didn't have a good EDR draw. Tough. Teams have suffered year after year by the inequality of the rules so this year is no different to any recent season. Get the rules and regs right BEFORE the season starts - not during . Those who are having a tough time at the moment are no better or worse than any other team that has suffered in the past. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Absolutely no way should rules and regulations be changed mid season. Some teams did their homework right in the close season and others didn't or didn't have a good EDR draw. Tough. Teams have suffered year after year by the inequality of the rules so this year is no different to any recent season. Get the rules and regs right BEFORE the season starts - not during . Those who are having a tough time at the moment are no better or worse than any other team that has suffered in the past. Was there even a FTR draw? Km very doubtful there was. As for the rules you cant change them mid season the promoters went for it so have to stick by it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Was there even a FTR draw? Km very doubtful there was. As for the rules you cant change them mid season the promoters went for it so have to stick by it. There was a draw after the assets picks were taken up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Absolutely no way should rules and regulations be changed mid season. Some teams did their homework right in the close season and others didn't or didn't have a good EDR draw. Tough. Teams have suffered year after year by the inequality of the rules so this year is no different to any recent season. Get the rules and regs right BEFORE the season starts - not during . Those who are having a tough time at the moment are no better or worse than any other team that has suffered in the past. Get back to 7 EL riders and the old format it was NEVER about developing riders more quickly, just the money being saved while short changing fans wanting to watch EL s/way it's a complete joke . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Get back to 7 EL riders and the old format it was NEVER about developing riders more quickly, just the money being saved while short changing fans wanting to watch EL s/way it's a complete joke . At least the EL made an effort for the future no matter what the reasons. It's only the PL that couldn't care less on that front. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 At least the EL made an effort for the future no matter what the reasons. It's only the PL that couldn't care less on that front. And here lies the problem, the lunatics shouldn't be running the asylum. An independent governing body should be saying, "here are the rules, you all need to play by them." The EL race format isn't very good and having a different race format for EL and PL/NL is also tinpot, like having a football match in the Championship played over 80 minutes rather than 90 at Premier League level. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Little Un Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 Didn't Formula 1 change the qualifying rules cos they didn't work? They changed because their new formula was sending the public to sleep and the commentators were nearly put in a coma. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted April 25, 2016 Report Share Posted April 25, 2016 A transparent agm is whats needed ,so we the fans know which promoter dreampt up this idea and which promoters backed him and voted it in , we could then name and shame , and all the negativity would make them stop and think before they vote for something stupid next time would a promoter be more or less likely to draft a rule in his name when us the fans would know it was his idea? Never happen.... Changes to regulations are not even announced to the public never mind who has put the change forward and it's backers... The reason is simple.... Anytime a new regulation is announced on here, within minutes, several posters will have dissected it and delivered every obvious pitfall, loophole, and ill thought out detail... When you make so many mistakes it is far better to hide behind a collective anonymity.,. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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