Paddy The Rebel Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 (edited) And Steve Worrall with higher average at reserve then Richie Worrall in main body, so tonight when it was r/r for Richie, Steve was the rider above!So technically when the rider above only gets 1ride tonight he got 3 thats illegal... or just 1 big fat mess Edited April 21, 2016 by PTW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 I've already argued elsewhere that the moment it was decided that FTR riders could move into the main team the protected heat format had to go since averages are totally meaningless while meetings are staged using it. FTR riders are achieving similar averages to many heat leaders simply by winning the two reserve races and taking a few points off second strings and fellow FTRs. According to one of the Poole mouthpieces the riders aren't concerned. I don't think that situation will last for long. So, tonight Charles Wright scored 1 point from number 3 for Swindon while Rohan Tungate scored 9 from reserve. Was Wright still on FTR fixed money? Was Tungate suddenly confronted with FTR pay rates? It's ludicrous, but what is sad is that it is no surprise that this sad situation has been allowed to happen. Does nobody in the BSPA think these things through? Either way, I'm pretty sure we will have the sad inevitability of a Poole star rider in the reserve berth in the Grand Final. He might even wear his goggles ;-) Thank goodness we have two other leagues - imperfect but at least not ga-ga. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 So technically when the rider above only gets 1ride tonight he got 3 thats illegal... or just 1 big fat mess No it is a strictly accurate interpretation of the rules. Steve took one rider replacement ride as the rider immediately above Ritchie in the averages and two as a reserve replacement which he can always do. What I want to know is why didn't Steve bring Ritchie's kevlars and just change from one pair to the other between races, taking five rides as Steve and four as Ritchie? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CB252 Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 Thats ok then, if it doesn't work for your beloved team its no good, RIGHT You really are as thick as a plank and one eyed beyond belief. Even a Poole fan can see the EL is in utter disrepair right? No? Ah well, enjoy ruling your tin empire 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 Thats ok then, if it doesn't work for your beloved team its no good, RIGHT 1 it has zero effect on my team because we have rubbish reserves 2. starman fails to see the bigger picture as always Although the format is shockingly awful I do think the FTR's will learn a lot more about what they need to push on from scoring 0's. Constantly banging in double figure scores from reserve will get them nowhere except false hope. I don't think any has any issue with the EDRs moving into the 1-5 IF they have earned it. But moving up just because the easy format gifts the reserves 10 points a meeting between them is a farce. The format is the issue, not that riders move up. The old format worked fine, it gave reserves easier rides and the top 2 harder rides - by virtue of heat 2 being a reserve race and heat 13 being the heat leaders race and the number 7 faces a reserve in every heat but this format is far too heavily biased and making the likes of Charles Wright have to ride against 2 heat leaders in some heats having come from a position where he meet 0 heat leaders just last week is madness! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 Scb has only started this topic as he's jealous of Poole 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 Scb has only started this topic as he's jealous of Poole WRONG! I am jealous of starman. I just wish I had his wit, charm, intelligence and wonderful people skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 WRONG! I am jealous of starman. I just wish I had his wit, charm, intelligence and wonderful people skills. Okay, we've finally broken him. Our work here is done 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dump that clutch Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Thats ok then, if it doesn't work for your beloved team its no good, RIGHT WAKE UP...!!!! and look at the bigger picture you Muppet. UK speedway has been messed around with for years by the powers to be but im alright Jack.. you absolute Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Surely, if the promoters see how ridiculous this current situation is, they can call an emergency meeting, and change it? Obviously, some teams have fared better, but it could be changed, they do have the power... F1 changed qualifying after the season had started, once they realised they had f00ked up!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 One of the bonuses is that it will at least counter the “What if Newman/Wright etc end up with 7.00 averages” point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 22, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 One of the bonuses is that it will at least counter the “What if Newman/Wright etc end up with 7.00 averages” point. Not so. Wrights average will take a hammering. But one of Newman and Ellis will always be in reserve for Poole due to the "only highest reserve can move into the 1-5" rule. So Newman and Ellis are going to have massively inflated averages. The format does totally screw up averages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Surely, if the promoters see how ridiculous this current situation is, they can call an emergency meeting, and change it? Obviously, some teams have fared better, but it could be changed, they do have the power... F1 changed qualifying after the season had started, once they realised they had f00ked up!! Most of them will be too busy working out whether they get an advantage out of the current farce. Paying a heat leader FTR rates? 'Lovely Jubbly'. (I know they have to pay a reserve proper money in return but can you trust them to see the full picture? ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 (edited) yes i put on another thread how ridiculous these rules are... majority on here can see how stupid it is a reserve can be a heat leader then back to reserve its a joke quite frankly year on year the bspa dream up these pathetic rules ,but what we really need to stop similar rules being dreampt up in the future is a fully trasparent Agm so that us the fans know who drafted these rules ie:- which promoter drafted these rules and which promoters supported it and voted it in , if we had that then i believe the promoters will be a lot less likely to bring in these stupid rules i think every fan deserves to know how there promoter voted at the AGM ....whats to hide? Edited April 22, 2016 by heathen chemistry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Jasper Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Thats ok then, if it doesn't work for your beloved team its no good, RIGHT You know when selling your Speedway Stars, do you request the correct money so you dont have to work out how much change you owe? As it is, SCB is correct, it is a farce, and be assured that this current Bees line up would still be poor whatever the race format is. The race format is the least of our worries. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 (edited) You know when selling your Speedway Stars, do you request the correct money so you dont have to work out how much change you owe? It would help if he kept one back and read it, all of it, not just the Poole article and the pictures. Edited April 22, 2016 by rmc 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TesarRacing Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 (edited) Thats ok then, if it doesn't work for your beloved team its no good, RIGHT 1 it has zero effect on my team because we have rubbish reserves 2. starman fails to see the bigger picture as always SCB, what have you done now?! Starry will be running off to find his Speedway Star to try to find the biggest picture!! Edited April 26, 2016 by TesarRacing 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sings4Speedway Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Other than wrecking the averages and deciding the result of several meetings before they have begun have the FTR changes actually helped in any way? Its pretty common knowledge that the FTR rates of pay were ignored in the first season they were introduced and i cannot see any reason why that is not still the case now. In addition heatleaders will know their points will be harder to come by this season so any with half a brain will have been asking for enhanced deals. Have the halfwits in heir attempts to cut costs actually driven up the cost of running an EL team? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 I just hate the format it is wrecking EL s/way by the day 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted April 22, 2016 Report Share Posted April 22, 2016 Tbh surely it's more likely they could end up paying a hl hl rates for 7 rides ridden from reserve. I very much doubt any hl has a clause where they get reduced pay riding as reserve. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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