robert72 Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 Outside of speedway nobody knows who Bomber, Crump, Rickardsson,Adams or Nicki P are So you're point? I take it you have one? ? Bomber has signed 3 young riders to team Harris and he gets cheap labour from them on match days. I'm sure that's a great help. Not. Young riders aspire to be the best, the world champion. They don't aspire to be someone who struggles in the GP's. At least we have a superb role model who would get all the GP boys back in the EL if they listened to his wise words, so it's the governing bodies fault Tai doesn't ride here and shame on them allowing our top flight to be so low down the pecking order in Europe. You are truly clueless and I bet you honestly believe the crap you post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 You are truly clueless and I bet you honestly believe the crap you post. Or to put it another way, you find yourself unable to refute his viewpoint. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 I am not at all anti Tai. I would prefer a British World Champion to race in the EL and the British Final but it is for him to decide where he wants to ride and I understand anybody deciding to chase the money. However, I don't agree with those who see his demands for a fixed night and fewer meetings as purely for the benefit of British speedway and consequently, the fans. It certainly doesn't suit me to have even fewer EL matches and I suspect I'm not alone. I want more matches and if that means no Tai and some other GP riders then so be it. I see his motives here as purely selfish, wanting British speedway to accommodate what suits him and other riders of a similar mind. In any event I am not even convinced it will bring significant numbers back unless money the EL cannot afford is on offer. Similarly, I don't see his training sessions as being anything other than an opportunity to make money. I don't blame him for that, I simply disagree with those who see it as Tai giving something back or doing it for entirely altruistic motives. If he does it for free or for cost then I shall change my opinion, admit I am wrong in this regard and agree with those who see his actions as commendable. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 Or to put it another way, you find yourself unable to refute his viewpoint. He talks rubbish and lacks the facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 You are truly clueless and I bet you honestly believe the crap you post. Or to put it another way, you find yourself unable to refute his viewpoint. He talks rubbish and lacks the facts. And there you have it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 You are truly clueless and I bet you honestly believe the crap you post. I'd ask you to explain which points I'm clueless about but it would be more of the usual garbage and anti tai tirade. You don't like tai, we get it. Just accept others have eyes open and can see a bigger picture than the one you see thru the Woffinden red misted glasses you wear. At least you are giving the forum a chuckle at your ongoing outbursts on the same thing over and over. I will await your considered response to explain which points I have made which are 'crap' with rationale . By the way, saying all of it is crap is an automatic fail. Inspire me. He talks rubbish and lacks the facts. what facts would you like and what facts are you confirming? And there you have it. Priceless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 I am not at all anti Tai. I would prefer a British World Champion to race in the EL and the British Final but it is for him to decide where he wants to ride and I understand anybody deciding to chase the money. However, I don't agree with those who see his demands for a fixed night and fewer meetings as purely for the benefit of British speedway and consequently, the fans. It certainly doesn't suit me to have even fewer EL matches and I suspect I'm not alone. I want more matches and if that means no Tai and some other GP riders then so be it. I see his motives here as purely selfish, wanting British speedway to accommodate what suits him and other riders of a similar mind. In any event I am not even convinced it will bring significant numbers back unless money the EL cannot afford is on offer. Similarly, I don't see his training sessions as being anything other than an opportunity to make money. I don't blame him for that, I simply disagree with those who see it as Tai giving something back or doing it for entirely altruistic motives. If he does it for free or for cost then I shall change my opinion, admit I am wrong in this regard and agree with those who see his actions as commendable. While not necessarily agreeing with it, IMHO a cogent argument. If you're feeling generous enough to pass on a few debating tips, Aces51, I have a worthy recipient in mind... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 Outside of speedway nobody knows who Bomber, Crump, Rickardsson,Adams or Nicki P are So you're point? I take it you have one? ? Bomber has signed 3 young riders to team Harris and he gets cheap labour from them on match days. I'm sure that's a great help. Not. Young riders aspire to be the best, the world champion. They don't aspire to be someone who struggles in the GP's. At least we have a superb role model who would get all the GP boys back in the EL if they listened to his wise words, so it's the governing bodies fault Tai doesn't ride here and shame on them allowing our top flight to be so low down the pecking order in Europe. Crump was known outside of speedway as was Olsen to name a few over the years. Bomber gets Cheap labour, that is so wrong, you have little idea the priceless experience they gain from the best British rider in the elite league for many years. Tai a role model, how many parents would want there kids to look like tai ? Hardly any you would find so no role model. So you honestly think tai could get the top riders to return if he spoke to them, really ? Hehe So it's the governing bodies fault tai doesn't ride here ? He was offered a mega pay deal but didn't want to take it, nothing to do with the governing body, I agree he should of been seeded to the British final, he thinks he is too big to ride in it now or he thinks it would be too tough for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 he thinks he is too big to ride in it now or he thinks it would be too tough for him.Well, which? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 (edited) Crump was known outside of speedway as was Olsen to name a few over the years. Bomber gets Cheap labour, that is so wrong, you have little idea the priceless experience they gain from the best British rider in the elite league for many years. Tai a role model, how many parents would want there kids to look like tai ? Hardly any you would find so no role model. So you honestly think tai could get the top riders to return if he spoke to them, really ? Hehe So it's the governing bodies fault tai doesn't ride here ? He was offered a mega pay deal but didn't want to take it, nothing to do with the governing body, I agree he should of been seeded to the British final, he thinks he is too big to ride in it now or he thinks it would be too tough for him. Jason Crump was known outside of speedway? By who? I would categorically state Tai Woffinden is more well known than Jason Crump outside of speedway. I have never ever heard Jason Crump mentioned on Radio 5, Talksport nor seem him on a Saturday morning kids programme. As for parents? Most parents would be damn proud to have a son who set out to achieve his goals and absolutely smashed them, becoming the best in the world at what he does. You betray yourself in your post, you're a bigot who doesn't like someone who has tattoos. On another thread you're praising Nicki Pedersen, who hasn't rode here for years showing up your hypocrisy. Edited May 3, 2016 by BWitcher 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 this could run longer than corrie!!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 (edited) Crump was known outside of speedway as was Olsen to name a few over the years. Bomber gets Cheap labour, that is so wrong, you have little idea the priceless experience they gain from the best British rider in the elite league for many years. Tai a role model, how many parents would want there kids to look like tai ? Hardly any you would find so no role model. So you honestly think tai could get the top riders to return if he spoke to them, really ? Hehe So it's the governing bodies fault tai doesn't ride here ? He was offered a mega pay deal but didn't want to take it, nothing to do with the governing body, I agree he should of been seeded to the British final, he thinks he is too big to ride in it now or he thinks it would be too tough for him. Olsen, like Mauger, Briggs were household names. I've been a speedway fan since 1972 and speak to plenty of people about our great sport - not one has ever mentioned Crump, Loram, Havelock as riders they have even heard of. What do you know about the deal that the young riders are on with Bomber - why are they part of his pit crew?? I am good friends with one of the lads so i will be interested to know what facts you want to discuss. Learning about the goings on behind the scenes yes, learning from the best NO. Parents and kids live in a very different world where swearing and smoking when young seems commonplace, likewise tattooing and body modification. Shows how little you really know what kids want or need (I have worked with kids my professional and personal life so have a good understanding of what is considered a 'role model') and most sensible kids know you don't need to copy what others do. But it's a lifestyle choice. Tai's manager Pete Adams already asked the GP riders what would get them back and they all said one night racing - like Tai. Words spoken by Adams so if you choose to not believe then more fool you. It's all just a suggestion that Tai was offered a deal to ride in the UK. Care to show me the OFFICIAL link that confirms this please as ive only seen comments on social media. If you are taking that as fact as a reason to attack Tai then again how silly are you. He absolutely should have been seeded direct to the British Final and should have ridden it. Like Scott Nicholls, Lee Richardson before him have all fallen out with the governing bodies and refused to ride in official meetings. So you say it's nothing to do with the governing body then? ? Hahaha haha haha Edited May 3, 2016 by stevebrum 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 this could run longer than corrie!!! Well, I'm as guilty as anyone in that regard, though if there are any insomniacs at a loose end it would be interesting to know what percentage of robert72's posts are about Tai Woffinden. I nearly typed "what percentage of Robert 72's posts concern Tai Woffinden" but I suspect the answer there would be that none of them concern him at all... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted May 3, 2016 Report Share Posted May 3, 2016 Jason Crump was known outside of speedway? By who? I would categorically state Tai Woffinden is more well known than Jason Crump outside of speedway. I have never ever heard Jason Crump mentioned on Radio 5, Talksport nor seem him on a Saturday morning kids programme. As for parents? Most parents would be damn proud to have a son who set out to achieve his goals and absolutely smashed them, becoming the best in the world at what he does. You betray yourself in your post, you're a bigot who doesn't like someone who has tattoos. On another thread you're praising Nicki Pedersen, who hasn't rode here for years showing up your hypocrisy. I also named Olsen ? Most parents would be proud, where do you live ? Pedersen does race in his country and doesn't pull out saying he is tired, I think nicki still lives in the uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted May 4, 2016 Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 (edited) I also named Olsen ? Most parents would be proud, where do you live ? Pedersen does race in his country and doesn't pull out saying he is tired, I think nicki still lives in the uk Apologies, I will change it from most parents to ALL decent parents would be proud of their sons achievements as no doubt Tai's Mom is and his Dad was even before Tai had become World Champion. What an awful parent you must be, or would make. Of course, if you have an issue with that, take it up with Tai's Mom, tell her how she shouldn't be proud of her son. As for Olsen, so what if you mentioned him? He's from a completely different era. I may as well say David Beckham and Steve Thornber was world famous footballers.. and when called up on Thornber not being so, say I also mentioned Beckham. Edited May 4, 2016 by BWitcher 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted May 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 I think robert72 needs to leave Woffy threads. Starting to sound very bigotry almost to the point of an ISIS terrorist preacher where it's his way only. Has no bounds to absorb differing opinion only to preach his views. I vow in the name of the bubble bible of Danny Smith to never respond to robert72 and be the best bubbleistian I can be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted May 4, 2016 Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 Crump was known outside of speedway as was Olsen to name a few over the years. Bomber gets Cheap labour, that is so wrong, you have little idea the priceless experience they gain from the best British rider in the elite league for many years. Tai a role model, how many parents would want there kids to look like tai ? Hardly any you would find so no role model. So you honestly think tai could get the top riders to return if he spoke to them, really ? Hehe So it's the governing bodies fault tai doesn't ride here ? He was offered a mega pay deal but didn't want to take it, nothing to do with the governing body, I agree he should of been seeded to the British final, he thinks he is too big to ride in it now or he thinks it would be too tough for him. You are almost as effing brain dead as Starman and thats saying something. Tai is a top role model if you are looking at achieving your dreams and goals why wouldnt be? The way he looks has nothing to do with what he has achieved is it you pillock. Is David Beckham a role model?? Oh no sorry he cant be as he is covered in tattoos!!! You talk so much crap pal. I suppose you think Darcy was a good role model with his drinking and drugs? Jason Crump was not known outside of the sport so you need to get your facts straight. And Tai is far better known than Havvy and Loram ever where so yet again you talk absolute bull! Of course some of the reason he isnt riding here is due to the governing body? I see you make no mention of Scott Nicholls and Lee Richardson refusing to ride or Tai being the outstanding rider in last years World Cup?? How many times do you need to be told about his reasons for not doing the British Final ?? Open your ears! Basically do everyone a favour and just shut up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRushbrook Posted May 4, 2016 Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 I think it's fair to say that there are reasonable arguments on both sides. Tai unquestionably has upset a few to the point where opinion of him is changing or has changed already. On the other hand, we have an outstanding sportsman who will hopefully have continued success we can be proud of for years to come. The previous sentence where it gets a bit messy for me. As much pride as it has given me to support Tai, it has been slightly tainted by his infatuation with Australia. Does he want to be British? That is the key question for me. His actions during the Australian GP make me doubt it and that's the problem i have giving him my unanimous support. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted May 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 I think it's fair to say that there are reasonable arguments on both sides. Tai unquestionably has upset a few to the point where opinion of him is changing or has changed already. On the other hand, we have an outstanding sportsman who will hopefully have continued success we can be proud of for years to come. The previous sentence where it gets a bit messy for me. As much pride as it has given me to support Tai, it has been slightly tainted by his infatuation with Australia. Does he want to be British? That is the key question for me. His actions during the Australian GP make me doubt it and that's the problem i have giving him my unanimous support. It's not whether he want's to be British or not, he is. Born & raised up to the age of around 6 to British parents. There's nothing to question. End of argument. His heart & home though is Australia and that is also understandable as he was schooled & true friends are their. It can never be taken away from him that home is Australia just because he's representing Great Britain in Speedway. I just don't understand why people struggle with that concept His Nationality is British - His home is Australia Exactly no different to others that emigrate to Australia, Spain, Cyprus etc. They'll always be British with home elsewhere around the globe 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRushbrook Posted May 4, 2016 Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 It's not whether he want's to be British or not, he is. Born & raised up to the age of around 6 to British parents. There's nothing to question. End of argument. His heart & home though is Australia and that is also understandable as he was schooled & true friends are their. It can never be taken away from him that home is Australia just because he's representing Great Britain in Speedway. I just don't understand why people struggle with that concept His Nationality is British - His home is Australia Exactly no different to others that emigrate to Australia, Spain, Cyprus etc. They'll always be British with home elsewhere around the globe Alright, calm down sweetheart! As I said, I understand both sides of the argument. It's a shame others can't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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