Belle Vue Grand Opening Refund?

[ouch]

Johnny Bravo, Nostradamus and David Icke all predicted 9/11. It seems ridiculous but it came true so it proves they're not cranks

[orion]

I've already admitted starting the 'looks a bit patchy' rumour, besides all you ever do kiss butt and defend Swindon speedway no matter what .?

 

 

Everyone who knows me will tell that is not the case ...only two weeks ago I fell out with Rosco over the defeat by wolves ...and was vocal about it on here ..try harder or made up another name

Edited April 26, 2016 by orion

[lucifer sam]

As I predicted. Those with issues with Belle Vue and those incapable of objectivity or, of of understanding the evidence will never be persuaded.

 

 

Really? I don't have an issue with Belle Vue, and would have loved for the opening meeting to be a roaring success.

 

But, if yourself and Ouch are going to try to defend the indefensible, then I may disagree with you!

 

All the best

Rob

[New Science]

 

Thank goodness for that. I wondered how long that you are going to spout your nonsense for.

 

The buck stops with the BV management over the opening meeting. If the track wasn't ready, then it should have been called off on the Thursday, not leave it until 5000+ people are in the stadium. The contractors cannot call off a speedway meeting. The BV management can.

 

The slowness in sending refunds just compounds matters. It's been a huge PR disaster.

 

All the best

Rob

I wouldn't try to make balanced argument Rob .Anyone who dares to come on here now and suggest the Belle Vue management are at any point to blame is systematically and aggressively rounded upon by the Belle Vue Mafia of Ouch,Fred Flange,Aces51 with a supporting role from the White Knight. Small in number but very vociferous with their posts

Edited April 26, 2016 by New Science

[a4poster]

It would be nice if they answered the phone when you contacted them instead of always going through to voice-mail. By the way another day has passed and you've guessed it...no refund.

[The White Knight]

 

Can you, disprove this, particularly as you are someone who admits openly that he has turned his back on attending speedway meetings?

 

(I wouldn't dare to suggest what you should do, or not do, but having made a point of announcing your exit from this forum, what are you gaining by re-commencing posting and particularly on a subject you know nothing about?)

Oh - I think I know as much about the situation as you.

 

Everyone who knows me will tell that is not the case ...only two weeks ago I fell out with Rosco over the defeat by wolves ...and was vocal about it on here ..try harder or made up another name

Mmmmm - why am I not surprised?

[Tsunami]

No your (sic) always kissing their butt

You are way offline, and just trying to discredit a poster that makes comments you can't stomach. I don't share many mutual views with orion, but to say he kisses butt at Swindon shows how far you are offline and saying things to suit your own agenda.

 

I support post #99 from New Science, who I again don't usually support. Your, and the other supporters, have conveniently ignored the events(partly what I put on here as well as things I can't) which happened throughout the week leading upto the GOM. The signs and concerns were known, and shown, that all things were not OK, and a problem was lying ahead of them. The decision to carry on after Wednesday was foolish, and costly for others, and undid all the good work and goodwill that have been seen and applauded by me and others against other posters who knocked it all along throughout the build process. I took stick from many posters who said it would never happen, and I personally knocked their negativity against the project. With that background of support on record, it does not make me feel good to criticise the actions taken, and decry the decision to go ahead with the GOM. The decision to go ahead was flawed, and it should have been cancelled on that Wednesday.

[orion]

Oh - I think I know as much about the situation as you.

 

Mmmmm - why am I not surprised?

About as a surprise as you coming back to the forum after your dear john note ...everyone knew it was just a cry for help and your never would stick to it .how right they were .

Edited April 26, 2016 by orion

[Starman2006]

The turnstiles were tested prior to the GOM and there were problems on the night.

The loos on the back straight were not ready and porta loos needed to be used but the fans just got on with it.

 

The track was tested prior to the GOM and the Leicester meeting and on both occasions the track was deemed good to go. Due to the nature of the problem it wasn't easily detectable and in some conditions didn't present its self.

I cannot stress this enough as this is what people don't seem to understand.

 

I

Rubbish, your talking Sh-te.

[Aces51]

Tsunami. Did any of the things you heard refer to the sub base on the third and fourth bends being defective? If not they have no significance because that was the cause of the cancellation, nothing else.

 

We all read the joint statement by Chapman and the SCB, which many thought outrageous and which clearly showed they had prejudged the matter and decided that the promotion was totally to blame. It seems odd therfore that what the Chairman of the SCB said following their investigation makes no mention of the matters to which you refer. It is obvious that they would have made much of anything that justified their ill thought out joint statement and would have taken evidence from anyone with credible and relevant information. Presumably, you and those spreading this information contacted them knowing the importance of what you knew? The truth is that far from giving credence to any rumours you heard they had to concede that on the Friday the track looked as if it would come good on the Saturday.

 

Nobody denies there were problems in the week leading up to meeting. I have mentioned it numerous times. However, Belle Vue have a very experienced track curator, work was done and the result was that on the Friday the track was fit for racing. Belle Vue thought so and so did the SCB. As I have said before, who would call off a meeting in those circumstances?

Edited April 26, 2016 by Aces51

[The White Knight]

About as a surprise as you coming back to the forum after your dear john note ...everyone knew it was just a cry for help and your never would stick to it .how right they were .

:rofl: :rofl:

[Tsunami]

Tsunami. Did any of the things you heard refer to the sub base on the third and fourth bends being defective? If not they have no significance because that was the cause of the cancellation, nothing else.

 

We all read the joint statement by Chapman and the SCB, which many thought outrageous and which clearly showed they had prejudged the matter and decided that the promotion was totally to blame. It seems odd therfore that what the Chairman of the SCB said following their investigation makes no mention of the matters to which you refer. It is obvious that they would have made much of anything that justified their ill thought out joint statement and would have taken evidence from anyone with credible and relevant information. Presumably, you and those spreading this information contacted them knowing the importance of what you knew? The truth is that far from giving credence to any rumours you heard they had to concede that on the Friday the track looked as if it would come good on the Saturday.

 

Nobody denies there were problems in the week leading up to meeting. I have mentioned it numerous times. However, Belle Vue have a very experienced track curator, work was done and the result was that on the Friday the track was fit for racing. Belle Vue thought so and so did the SCB. As I have said before, who would call off a meeting in those circumstances?

The track surface was defective and known about all during the week before. The cause, the sub base, was identified afterwards, but to say it has no significance shows the ostrich approach that the three of you are displaying on here. There is loyalty and loyalty but to be so dismissive is just crazy.

 

They had information about the concerns and rightly distanced themselves from the decision taken by the promotion. See the rubbishing of any information is still the party line. Two riders rode the track and Max OK'd it, what about the other rider. No comment.

 

But you are doing your best to suggest the opposite. The TWO track curators left the job on Wednesday. Would you confirm that they were happy with the condition the track was in.

 

The SCB inspected and passed the stadium, and issued a licence for the year as per required by the rules. The conditions in the rules do not include the track and it's ability to sustain a full speedway meeting.

 

Anybody who was realistic and listened to others, and did not want to try to bluff it out.

[Aces51]

Tsunami. It is not dismissive it is common sense. The cause of the cancellation was the interaction of the defective base and the inclement weather. Nobody knew about the defective base and the assumption was that it was a problem with the top surface. Work was done and on the Friday the problem appeared to be solved. The test on the Friday showed the track to be raceable and the comments by the Chairman of the SCB, that the track looked as if it would come good on the Saturday, were nothing to do with the granting of the licence, they followed the investigation and obviously related to the condition of the track for racing.

 

Richie Worrall was even trying to persuade the others to ride on the Saturday.

 

Again, according to the SCB following the investigation, Colin Meredith at no time expressed an opinion that the track would not be ready for the meeting despite the Chairman of the SCB closely monitoring the situation from the Tuesday.

 

In short, the track was raceable on the Friday, the SCB have confirmed there was no reason to call it off at that time and the eventual cancellation was because of the interaction of the defective base and the inclement weather on the Saturday. It's not those of us who are basing our opinions on the evidence who are burying our heads, it is those who listen to rumour and make 2+2 =5 who need to stand back and consider the facts.

 

You can't expect people to give weight to the usual I've been told, can't say by whom and can't tell everything. That is not evidence by any standard.

Edited April 26, 2016 by Aces51

[Humphrey Appleby]

Tsunami. It is not dismissive it is common sense. The cause of the cancellation was the interaction of the defective base and the inclement weather. Nobody knew about the defective base and the assumption was that it was a problem with the top surface. Work was done and on the Friday the problem appeared to be solved. The test on the Friday showed the track to be raceable and the comments by the Chairman of the SCB, that the track looked as if it would come good on the Saturday, were nothing to do with the granting of the licence, they followed the investigation and obviously related to the condition of the track for racing.

It doesn't really matter who did what or who's to blame. It's been another disaster for the sport and ultimately attributable to insufficient testing of the track and possibly other facilities.

 

The promotion took a gamble that backfired, and must carry a fair degree of culpability for that regardless of the contractor issues. One also has to wonder how someone manages to omit an entire damp proof course without any noticing, especially if it's an element critical to the track which is the core ingredient of your product. I don't care who's contractually responsible - I'd have personally been inspecting the work at every juncture, especially with such limited time available to correct snags.

[a4poster]

Still no refund.

[Star Lady]

Still no refund.

 

 

Maybe one of the BV fans who continually try to justify what happened (and I'm making no judgement) could offer to contact BV for you and ask why no refund. They could then send you a message via pm to help resolve the matter.

 

That IMHO would do the reputation of Belle Vue far more good than them repeating themselves ad nauseum,

 

How about it Belle Vue folk?

[Tsunami]

Tsunami. It is not dismissive it is common sense. The cause of the cancellation was the interaction of the defective base and the inclement weather. Nobody knew about the defective base and the assumption was that it was a problem with the top surface. Work was done and on the Friday the problem appeared to be solved. The test on the Friday showed the track to be raceable and the comments by the Chairman of the SCB, that the track looked as if it would come good on the Saturday, were nothing to do with the granting of the licence, they followed the investigation and obviously related to the condition of the track for racing.

 

Richie Worrall was even trying to persuade the others to ride on the Saturday.

 

Again, according to the SCB following the investigation, Colin Meredith at no time expressed an opinion that the track would not be ready for the meeting despite the Chairman of the SCB closely monitoring the situation from the Tuesday.

 

In short, the track was raceable on the Friday, the SCB have confirmed there was no reason to call it off at that time and the eventual cancellation was because of the interaction of the defective base and the inclement weather on the Saturday. It's not those of us who are basing our opinions on the evidence who are burying our heads, it is those who listen to rumour and make 2+2 =5 who need to stand back and consider the facts.

 

You can't expect people to give weight to the usual I've been told, can't say by whom and can't tell everything. That is not evidence by any standard.

You and your cohorts on here, do Belle Vue a disservice trying to push the blame for this disaster along like a copper at Hillsborough. Morton and Gordon have publicly said, and now agreed, that the track was not fit for racing, and it was only afterwards the real condition of the base was been found after the two recent excavations. They have sensibly taken their time to get the track ready to race, in conjunction with the council and their contractors, and very soon the track will host a meeting to prove it is fit for purpose. Why can you and your friends not concentrate on these positive things and look forward rather than rewrite the events leading up to the GOM. By this rewriting you are all dragging it all up again, and I am sure at this point in time both Morton and Gordon will be hoping that they can get on with the future, and enjoy the investment that a few, not me, thought would never be built. I wish the stadium well, and applaud their recent efforts, but you lot dragging the excuses around do not help their cause.

Edited April 27, 2016 by Tsunami

[BWitcher]

You and your cohorts on here, do Belle Vue a disservice trying to push the blame for this disaster along like a copper at Hillsborough. Morton and Gordon have publicly said, and now agreed, that the track was not fit for racing, and it was only afterwards the real condition of the base was been found after the two recent excavations. They have sensibly taken their time to get the track ready to race, in conjunction with the council and their contractors, and very soon the track will host a meeting to prove it is fit for purpose. Why can you and your friends not concentrate on these positive things and look forward rather the rewrite the events leading up to the GOM. By this rewriting you are all dragging it all up again, and I am sure at this point in time both Morton and Gordon will be hoping that they can get on with the future, and enjoy the investment that a few, not me, thought would never be built. I wish the stadium well, and applaud their recent efforts, but you lot dragging the excuses around do not help their cause.

 

100% spot on.

 

This would be done and dusted and everyone focused on the first meeting by now if it weren't for a few lackeys continuing to live in denial. They are doing nothing but damage to the club they claim to support. Put it to bed now and look forwards, there are going to be great times ahead...

[Tsunami]

Its not excuses it is just a statement of facts, if everyone just stuck to the facts instead of rumours and opinion then this thread would be about our friend who's not got his money back.

 

You seem to have nearly got it although you still say they (belle vue?) are sensibly taking their time, they're not, it's the contractors who are putting it right and 'sensibly taking their time'. Why can't you grasp at least that fundamental fact.

 

If, when the track is tested (today?) and is good to go and then there's a problem on Friday who are you going to blame? A rhetorical question obviously as you and your little gang blamed belle vue the last time it happened didn't you?

 

 

Ah, finally the dark lord troll himself puts in an appearance with yet another superb example of trolling language. I knew you wouldn't be able to resist.

I think you will find my gang (if I had one ?) is bigger than yours. Lets start with the 6000 that attended, and a vast majority of your average speedway fans, as opposed the handfull on here from BV putting up the fences.

 

I will leave this debate before you and your little gang does more harm to the BV cause and Morton and Gordon.

[ouch]

I'd like to take this opportunity to congratulate the folk at Hillsborough following their earlier mention.

 

Anybody who will repeatedly fight to right unjust claims made against friends and loved ones has to be commended by all of society, not just me.

 

Hammering home the facts of the matter in the face of bigoted ill informed people who only look to serve their own agenda can, I imagine be a thankless task but one that must be stuck too in the hope that the truth will one day be accepted by all in the spirit of common sense.

 

I admire their determination not to go quietly into the night but to fight on for truth! truth! truth!

 

A great day indeed.