Boring

[Gresham]

You could say that about football though, apart from the modern stadiums I guess .....

With respect...you are joking right?

 

Football is thriving for a reason...As are other sports...Speedway is dying on it's feet.

 

Belle Vue opening farce, Poland GP yesterday...they can't even get the big events right...yet alone the domestic scene.

[nw42]

You could say that about football though, apart from the modern stadiums I guess .....

 

 

Modern stadiums were a factor in driving me away from football. If they bring back terracing I would reconsider though.

[LunnasPerm]

I'm pleased to see that I've instigated some discussion.

 

It's a shame that some people have almost taken offence to the topic, but in large, I think the general consensus is perhaps not in full agreement with me, but instead in unison that the sport is struggling. Again, this saddens me.

 

You could say that about football though, apart from the modern stadiums I guess .....

This really doesn't deserve to be acknowledged, but Jesus Christ. Are you a real tree?

[lucifer sam]

 

This really doesn't deserve to be acknowledged, but Jesus Christ. Are you a real tree?

 

I suspect her name might be Teresa - since a common shortening of that name is Trees

 

Are you a real perm?

 

I agree with nw42, in that I'm not keen on modern all-seater stadiums. They can be quite sterile. Oxford United's old Manor Ground had 10 times the atmosphere of the current Kassam Stadium. Having said that, I can understand why the facilities at speedway stadiums would be a turn-off to some first time visitors.

 

All the best

Rob

[LunnasPerm]

Tree or no tree, her inclusion of football is astonishing.

[Stoke Potter]

 

I tend to ignore posters who commence their post with the words: 'If you bother to read the post properly'. To me it smacks of someone who feels they are superior, like my old English teacher - and he was a right pr1ck too.

 

TBH, I thought BWitcher was being rude and condescending to Stoke Potter, so I posted in support. There are a few posters on here who seem to debate a subject by trying to impose their opinion on others by repeating the same thing over and over again, getting louder as they do. Just like an English tourist in, say, Portugal who can't speak the native language and to get their point across, they start speaking s-l-o-w-e-r and LOUDER, before waving their arms around, banging their fist on the counter and jumping up and down. They normally always have to have the last word or, storm off in a huff, like a petulant teenager. No names mentioned of course. Always gives me a chuckle though.

Oddly enough even though I don't post on that often, when I do, I tend to "bump" into the same people. E I Addio and Bwitcher are of that number.

Yes people most races are boring, saying otherwise is denial! And yes these are my opinions that's the point of a forum. My opinion based on what I see at most meetings.

However I perhaps was incorrect to say that most people are in denial.

Having reviewed that, I would now say that most people have realised it's boring (and no longer go) and I base that on the fact that most clubs play to low crowds in the hundreds. I would question if crowds have ever been any lower at the majority of clubs and further question whether the EL could in fact exist without the Sky monies.

Anyway, I would advise against disagreeing with those folks because since I have, I've been struck down with the stomach bug from hell and still not recovered..! Beware ;-)

[LunnasPerm]

Am I right in thinking that the average limit for each side is now around 42, rather than the old 45? Is that correct?

[Daniel Smith]

Am I right in thinking that the average limit for each side is now around 42, rather than the old 45? Is that correct?

 

Yes but the 45 averages if I remember correctly included riders bonus points, whereas the 42 doesn't (40.50 in the EL)

[LunnasPerm]

Yes but the 45 averages if I remember correctly included riders bonus points, whereas the 42 doesn't (40.50 in the EL)

Why is that? That, like the old Elite League rule of one Grand Prix rider per-club, is a quality reducer.

 

The higher the average, the better the rider; the lower the average limit, the lower the quality.

 

Speedway shoots itself in the foot, once again. Illogical.

[Daniel Smith]

Why is that? That, like the old Elite League rule of one Grand Prix rider per-club, is a quality reducer.

 

The higher the average, the better the rider; the lower the average limit, the lower the quality.

 

Speedway shoots itself in the foot, once again. Illogical.

 

It's difficult to explain what the hell is going on the EL, in fact it's a bit of a comedy show.

 

All in all though, the reason for such a low average in the British top league is we can't attract the talent. EL clubs in 2016 couldn't even manage to hit the 40.50 limit

 

Start of 2016

 

Belle Vue 39.71

Coventry 37.07

King's Lynn 38.06

Lakeside 39.73

Leicester 36.25

Poole 39.93

Swindon 38.61

Wolverhampton 39.38

[lucifer sam]

Why is that? That, like the old Elite League rule of one Grand Prix rider per-club, is a quality reducer.

 

The higher the average, the better the rider; the lower the average limit, the lower the quality.

 

Speedway shoots itself in the foot, once again. Illogical.

 

The PL points limit of 42.50 (without bonus) is the equivalent of around 46 or 47 with bonus, so actually it's comparable to the points limit ever since 1983 (when it was 45 with bonus).

 

Arguably the second tier, with the multi-national teams, is a lot stronger than the NL of the eighties. Whether it actually needs to be is a moot point.

 

All the best

Rob

[Daniel Smith]

 

The PL points limit of 42.50 (without bonus) is the equivalent of around 46 or 47 with bonus, so actually it's comparable to the points limit ever since 1983 (when it was 45 with bonus).

 

Arguably the second tier, with the multi-national teams, is a lot stronger than the NL of the eighties. Whether it actually needs to be is a moot point.

 

All the best

Rob

 

The PL is definitely on a stronger footing than the EL regardless of what some EL snobs would have you try & believe.

 

The package as a whole of competitiveness, rider & supporter interaction is much much stronger.

[FAST GATER]

 

The PL is definitely on a stronger footing than the EL regardless of what some EL snobs would have you try & believe.

 

The package as a whole of competitiveness, rider & supporter interaction is much much stronger.

Your poking a hornets nest there my friend

[Trees]

With respect...you are joking right?

 

Football is thriving for a reason...As are other sports...Speedway is dying on it's feet.

 

Belle Vue opening farce, Poland GP yesterday...they can't even get the big events right...yet alone the domestic scene.

I'm talking about how the game of football has changed, still 11 players, still a round ball, off side rule still the same, 90 mins of play, shorts still the same length as 80 years ago (hehe), I'm saying it's only the stadiums\pitches that have changed for the fans. Are the perfect pitches better as far as the action is concerned? (serious question).

[E I Addio]

I'm pleased to see that I've instigated some discussion.

It's a shame that some people have almost taken offence to the topic, but in large, I think the general consensus is perhaps not in full agreement with me, but instead in unison that the sport is struggling. Again, this saddens me.

 

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There is no dispute that the sport is struggling. That is not the same as saying it is boring as per the title of your thread. I refer you to post # 2 on this thread by John Leslie, and the supporting "likes" it received. Plenty of people on here and elsewhere dispute the claim that it is boring. Few, if any dispute the fact that it is struggling. The reasons why it is struggling have been done to death on other threads.

[steve roberts]

 

I deleted my last post as I was going to place a sarcastic comment...but thought better of it!

Edited April 19, 2016 by steve roberts

[Gresham]

I'm talking about how the game of football has changed, still 11 players, still a round ball, off side rule still the same, 90 mins of play, shorts still the same length as 80 years ago (hehe), I'm saying it's only the stadiums\pitches that have changed for the fans. Are the perfect pitches better as far as the action is concerned? (serious question).

It depends on how you define 'perfect pitches better for action' as a spectacle.

 

I look at most sports nowadays, including speedway...and they have become more 'perfect'.

 

In that, I mean...Technology has taken over, pitches, tracks etc perfect, tactical awareness, fitness, health, Professionalism etc...all perfect.

 

I look at Sport, and when it's done perfectly it's often seen as boring.

 

It's the mistakes and imperfections that make sport exciting.

 

Imo...there was a pinnacle where technology got to a point and sportsman got to a point...and when the both mixed, it made it exciting.

 

I look at Sport from the 60's,70's and 80's...and visually it was more exciting.

 

The majority of motor sport and sports like football, tennis, golf etc were exciting to watch.

 

Technology was developing and Athletes (riders) were less fit and less professional.

 

The mix of the two at that point made it exciting. They complimented one another. You had the technology that gave a certain amount of reliance...but still had the skill of the individual and the slight imperfections of pitch/track. These combined made for Entertainment...often down to the slight imperfection of it all.

 

Look at football...and it is statistically analysed to within an inch of it's life. Teams are so good...that they cancel one another out. It's often like watching a game of chess.

 

Speedway has made everything too easy. Slick tracks, Bikes that are easier to ride, very few mistakes compared to the past.

 

Back to the era I mentioned...the mix of skill and mistakes made for high entertainment.

 

Remember....this is coming from a lad who only caught the tail end of the 70's and the majority of 80's and 90's.

 

I find myself watching sport from the 60's and 70's...before my time, and it's far more entertaining.

 

My interest faded when tracks became really slick and the introduction to laydown engines and bikes covered in plastic covers.

 

Poor racing ( entertainment ) and aesthetically not pleasing to the eye.

 

Ask any footballer to go back to pitches from the 70's and leather footballs and they'd scream no.

 

Ask a Speedway rider to go back to deep tracks with dirt, and upright engines etc...and they'd also scream no.

 

Ask fans of football to rather have terracing and an atmosphere, even hostile, to get away from the sterile feel of stadiums ( often like a shopping mall ) and many would be flocking back.

 

Bring back more of a team feel to Speedway, and better prepared tracks ( deeper and with more dirt and riding lines ) and bikes that were able to be ridden on them (ie uprights ) and a way of keeping machines from being highly tuned by individual riders...in other words, relying more on riders skill than a highly tuned engine...standardise team bikes....and I think it would go a long way to making Speedway entertaining again.

 

Most races that are entertaining are from riders of a same ability ( not always the very best ) on similar standard machines, where a rider makes a mistake and another uses his skill to take advantage of it.

 

Just my opinion...based on watching and playing Sport of all sorts since the 70's.

 

Like I mentioned on another thread...I still go to watch/partake in Football, Rugby, Cricket, Golf and Skiing regularly and have done since the 70's...I did with Speedway...Unfortunately Speedway is the one sport that has taken a back seat and at one time it was my favourite.

 

For a Sport to go from second highest watched...to what it is nowadays is a travesty...especially when most other sports like I've mentioned are still popular and highly attended.

Edited April 19, 2016 by Gresham

[Reviresco]

You compile a terrific post Gresham. I may not agree with all of it, but still a brilliant post.

[Trees]

It depends on how you define 'perfect pitches better for action' as a spectacle.

 

I look at most sports nowadays, including speedway...and they have become more 'perfect'.

 

In that, I mean...Technology has taken over, pitches, tracks etc perfect, tactical awareness, fitness, health, Professionalism etc...all perfect.

 

I look at Sport, and when it's done perfectly it's often seen as boring.

 

It's the mistakes and imperfections that make sport exciting.

 

Imo...there was a pinnacle where technology got to a point and sportsman got to a point...and when the both mixed, it made it exciting.

 

I look at Sport from the 60's,70's and 80's...and visually it was more exciting.

 

The majority of motor sport and sports like football, tennis, golf etc were exciting to watch.

 

Technology was developing and Athletes (riders) were less fit and less professional.

 

The mix of the two at that point made it exciting. They complimented one another. You had the technology that gave a certain amount of reliance...but still had the skill of the individual and the slight imperfections of pitch/track. These combined made for Entertainment...often down to the slight imperfection of it all.

 

Look at football...and it is statistically analysed to within an inch of it's life. Teams are so good...that they cancel one another out. It's often like watching a game of chess.

 

Speedway has made everything too easy. Slick tracks, Bikes that are easier to ride, very few mistakes compared to the past.

 

Back to the era I mentioned...the mix of skill and mistakes made for high entertainment.

 

Remember....this is coming from a lad who only caught the tail end of the 70's and the majority of 80's and 90's.

 

I find myself watching sport from the 60's and 70's...before my time, and it's far more entertaining.

 

My interest faded when tracks became really slick and the introduction to laydown engines and bikes covered in plastic covers.

 

Poor racing ( entertainment ) and aesthetically not pleasing to the eye.

 

Ask any footballer to go back to pitches from the 70's and leather footballs and they'd scream no.

 

Ask a Speedway rider to go back to deep tracks with dirt, and upright engines etc...and they'd also scream no.

 

Ask fans of football to rather have terracing and an atmosphere, even hostile, to get away from the sterile feel of stadiums ( often like a shopping mall ) and many would be flocking back.

 

Bring back more of a team feel to Speedway, and better prepared tracks ( deeper and with more dirt and riding lines ) and bikes that were able to be ridden on them (ie uprights ) and a way of keeping machines from being highly tuned by individual riders...in other words, relying more on riders skill than a highly tuned engine...standardise team bikes....and I think it would go a long way to making Speedway entertaining again.

 

Most races that are entertaining are from riders of a same ability ( not always the very best ) on similar standard machines, where a rider makes a mistake and another uses his skill to take advantage of it.

 

Just my opinion...based on watching and playing Sport of all sorts since the 70's.

 

Like I mentioned on another thread...I still go to watch/partake in Football, Rugby, Cricket, Golf and Skiing regularly and have done since the 70's...I did with Speedway...Unfortunately Speedway is the one sport that has taken a back seat and at one time it was my favourite.

 

For a Sport to go from second highest watched...to what it is nowadays is a travesty...especially when most other sports like I've mentioned are still popular and highly attended.

No hope for Speedway unless we go backwards perhaps ..... laydowns came in seemingly overnight so I'm guessing uprights could be brought back 'overnight'. Same with material on the tracks ..... those in charge the world over need to do something .......

[LunnasPerm]

There is no dispute that the sport is struggling. That is not the same as saying it is boring as per the title of your thread. I refer you to post # 2 on this thread by John Leslie, and the supporting "likes" it received. Plenty of people on here and elsewhere dispute the claim that it is boring. Few, if any dispute the fact that it is struggling. The reasons why it is struggling have been done to death on other threads.

I don't understand your intention, here.

 

You agree with my post which you quoted, but you don't want to discuss that, you want to argue about my topic title, is that right? I think it is.

 

If so, do one. I'm entitled to my opinion and, having been to two meetings in the past two weeks, plus watched the speedway on Sky, I've came to the conclusion that the sport I once loved is boring. Deal with it.

 

Your suggestion that a post's number of likes is in any way a reflection of its validity is laughable. I've agreed with a number of posts on here, but I've never liked them.