Boring

[sparkafag]

4 blokes going round in a circle...

22 blokes kicking a football...

Load of F1 cars going around a track...

Bunch of guys hitting a ball into 18 holes...

 

Yep...it's definitely all the same...it's never changed... Matron!!! ;-)

 

You post about a sport you no longer like on a forum you find weird and claimed you wouldn’t post on again, I can’t say I find a word you have to say credible, you will likely say something completely different in 5 minutes.

Edited April 28, 2016 by sparkafag

[Sidney the robin]

Do I enjoy Speedway? Yes, still find it a great spectacle seeing 4 guys go around in a circle, still the same thing now that it always has been, that’s never ever changed and (hopefully) isn’t going to change. If people used to think it was more entertaining watching 4 guys go around in circles 30 years ago compared to now, that is on them rather than the sport . I don’t know what is meant to be achieved by debating that or constantly referencing how great it used to be, but ok run with the idea that it used to be great and certain people used to enjoy it more…ok and what?

 

RE Wembley: It was evidently going to have slightly more hanging on it as it was a one off event to decide the World Champion rather than the Grand Prix series we have now. It was also always going to have higher attendances as it was a standalone event that had a greater reach in isolation, it is natural more people (not just from the UK) would attend. If the World Final was hosted at Cardiff it would attract fans from Britain, Denmark, Sweden, Poland and more than likely would see 70,000 in the stadium, if it did would that mean the sport was healthy and just like the 80s? Instead speedway has now increased its reach to the point it can host 8/9/10 GP events with average attendances of 10,000 + thus actually has more eyes on it now than it did back then (which is often ignored) and fans are also fortunate enough to see the best in the business regularly go at it on a variety of tracks.

 

That being said re the mystical Wembley and its standalone atmosphere, the counter to that is that those in attendance at each Grand Prix treat it as standalone events which creates a great atmosphere and some excellent moments such as Harris winning from the back, Richardson’s wall of death, Crumps outstanding performance in 2008. In time all of these moments will grow and be remembered fondly and just as iconically as anything that took place at Wembley by those in attendance. I have always been more concerned by that and the track than wooden benches, albeit on that point it is generally accepted by most sporting fans that Cardiff and the aura of Cardiff is as good as it gets when it comes to fan experience compared to the concrete jungle that is Wembley in the middle of nowhere, hard to get to, crap pubs or no pubs, poor transport network and so on.

Would have to differ with you,but you make some great points and i respect your point of view.My take on it is that Speedway has changed,you only have to go into the pits the bikes now are so different faster whether that has been for the better who knows.Also lets be honest London is a great place to have sport and the Tube system is surprisingly very good.Speedway has moved on now and mainly for the better, but would have to say speedway is not the same as it was in the 60s/70s.

[Gresham]

 

You post about a sport you no longer like on a forum you find weird and claimed you wouldn’t post on again, I can’t say I find a word you have to say credible, you will likely say something completely different in 5 minutes.

Where have I said I don't like it? It's certain people I find weird...like yourself...but not the forum. I decided to change my mind...got a problem with that. I haven't seen one post of yours that's credible, so touche... and I'll say something completely different because you've got it all wrong...again :-)

 

I've posted numerous times about how it could be improved, but never that I didn't like it... and I've started going again...why would I go if I didn't like it?

 

I find it hard to understand, why people like yourself troll others, and make so many flippant comments.

 

Problem is...you and a few on here, read one thing, and then make up in your mind something you want to believe...you don't actually read what people are saying or are getting at.

 

You pick a few points out of a context of a post, then twist them to fit your agenda.

 

Like above...people were getting on chatting, then you turn up and make a flippant comment.

 

You have a very simplistic view on many things...is there a reason for that...I'm guessing there is :-)

[sparkafag]

 

 

Think i'll not contribute to this forum anymore...it's all a bit weird for my liking.

 

 

 

It's certain people I find weird...like yourself...but not the forum.

 

 

 

As I said, a walking contradiction…

 

That’s going to a sport you slate, posting on a forum you find weird and to people you think aren’t credible and weird, posting about leaving the forum in a blaze of glory only to post again about 3 hours later, it all comes across as a cry for attention, thus the rest of what you say just comes across much the same way.

[Gresham]

 

 

 

 

As I said, a walking contradiction…

 

That’s going to a sport you slate, posting on a forum you find weird and to people you think aren’t credible and weird, posting about leaving the forum in a blaze of glory only to post again about 3 hours later, it all comes across as a cry for attention, thus the rest of what you say just comes across much the same way.

Nah fella...you know best...just carry on being pedantic and not getting the gist of posts.

 

I couldn't give a flying feck what you think tbh, all is see is a Pedantic keyboard warrior who likes to troll people and get a rise.

 

As you were ol bean...

[wealdstone]

One of the things that annoy me are the endless delays between races and particularly between heat 14 and 15. Some I agree are justified and inevitable but the feeling I get is that they show little or no regard for the fans that are left twiddling their thumbs during these breaks often in brass monkey conditions.

[SPEEDY69]

Most races are boring. That's the reality, more so in Britain I believe.

 

There are 2 main reasons for this.

Firstly, the tracks are generally dire, only one line and poorly prepared surfaces.

Secondly, poorly matched teams with too bigger gulf from 1-7. This particularly applies to the EL.

 

Don't expect anything to change as most people are in denial about it. Track sizes need to change.

 

I disagree with this. I think the track variation in this country makes it more interesting. The meetings I've seen from Poland have not been any more enjoyable to me - they are largely about the fastest bike/line in any one race, whereas in the UK in general more throttle control is needed to get round quickly, so the more skilfull come to the fore. You are right that there is a variation in standard between riders in a team but that never been any different, at least not in my time of watching racing since 1978. In fact, the new format is designed to make races more equal.

[Trees]

I disagree with this. I think the track variation in this country makes it more interesting. The meetings I've seen from Poland have not been any more enjoyable to me - they are largely about the fastest bike/line in any one race, whereas in the UK in general more throttle control is needed to get round quickly, so the more skilfull come to the fore. You are right that there is a variation in standard between riders in a team but that never been any different, at least not in my time of watching racing since 1978. In fact, the new format is designed to make races more equal.

I, too, like the fact we have all shapes of tracks here with all sorts of surfaces, gives riders a challenge.

[steve roberts]

I, too, like the fact we have all shapes of tracks here with all sorts of surfaces, gives riders a challenge.

Personally I always enjoyed watching racing on small, technical tracks although watching racing around Exeter could be breathtaking! Some tracks appeared to be 'trick tracks' and caught many riders out. John Berry always maintained that Ipswich really tested a rider's ability.

[Gemini]

Cant believe that the announcer would leave a lasting impression "Gemini" , Graham did and Mr York ? always made the build up exciting did Graham he was excellent at his job.

I seem to remember him being very droll, interacting with the fans on the terraces. Thank goodness I didn't stand out as I would have been embarrassed to be picked on.

[ColinMills]

This has got to be a good idea hasn't it? I know Buster has said he's confident of getting a league sponsor for next year but if it fails, this has got to be the way to go, IF they are interested of course!

last night sent a carefully worded msg to both buster and jon cook.....no reply..as yet!

[Trees]

last night sent a carefully worded msg to both buster and jon cook.....no reply..as yet!

When I see Buster at Lynn I will ask him if he has the email, unless you hear before ......

[AndyK86]

I love the Sport but as many others frustrated at how things are going and promoters are where I lay the blame at, they are scared of making major changes that could benefit the sport over here and also drag riders from riding in Poland/Sweden back over here instead because Polish/Swedish speedway will collapse eventually with amount of money they throw about.

As others have said Racing will never change, maybe we could do 8 lap races to make create 30 minutes of action in one night instead but it could still be follow the leader stuff as that is Racing, maybe 8 laps would tempt riders not to go all or nothing into first bend and give each other a bit more elbow room as they would have more laps to race and find a way by rider in front so that could lessen injuries over season, who knows but it would be different and why not use KO Cup as a trial run if riders agree also.

But most of all our League structure needs ripping up and putting in bin apart from National League which works perfectly well for the young ones now.

 

I would pay a marketing team to drive a new league system to Sky Sports and other potential sponsors and I would :

 

- North/South split of 10 teams in each

 

- teams would be made of 6 man teams and a junior as back up for any injuries like the number 8.

 

- no doubling up, no tactical rides ! We can't keep this riders riding for 2/3 different teams, we are already struggling to attract fans and newbies laugh at this.

 

- if your team is in the North split you would race them teams twice home and away so would be 18 home meetings from that and then you race each of the south teams once 5 home 5 away (23 Home meetings overall) if say Belle Vue (North) faced Poole (South) at Belle Vue in say 2016 in 2017 Belle Vue would travel to Poole.

 

After regular season is complete you have your North Champions & South Champions who face each other over 2 legs to find the British League champions, give it a fancy name and market it well and just maybe with a bit of risk for once we have a system that not only sells big to Sky Sports but to old and new fans who stay away.

With a proper marketing team put in place and a exciting new league system it may just tempt some riders back over to be apart of it.

[Daytripper]

 

I would pay a marketing team to drive a new league system to Sky Sports and other potential sponsors

 

 

 

1. How much are you going to pay this marketing team ?

 

2. Where are you going to get the money from?

 

We have been through all this a million times before. Back of fag packet suggestions are never going to work unless you work out what the cost is going to be. The forum is full of great ideas but 99.9% fall down because they are uncosted.

[Fromafar]

1. How much are you going to pay this marketing team ?

2. Where are you going to get the money from?

We have been through all this a million times before. Back of fag packet suggestions are never going to work unless you work out what the cost is going to be. The forum is full of great ideas but 99.9% fall down because they are uncosted.

The trouble is that 99.9% of BSPA marketing teams ideas are make on the back of the same fag packet judging by their results.

[AndyK86]

1. How much are you going to pay this marketing team ?

 

2. Where are you going to get the money from?

 

We have been through all this a million times before. Back of fag packet suggestions are never going to work unless you work out what the cost is going to be. The forum is full of great ideas but 99.9% fall down because they are uncosted.

That would be for Speedway promoters to work out but if they just do nothing like always then nothing will change and status quo will continue.

 

It's time for promoters to thing big, not just make crappy changes hoping they will work.

[ColinMills]

When I see Buster at Lynn I will ask him if he has the email, unless you hear before ......

thank you, no not a word

[Gemini]

 

 

.......AJK86......As others have said Racing will never change, maybe we could do 8 lap races to make create 30 minutes of action in one night instead but it could still be follow the leader stuff as that is Racing, maybe 8 laps would tempt riders not to go all or nothing into first bend and give each other a bit more elbow room as they would have more laps to race ........

 

8 laps? It wasn't so long ago that riders couldn't even manage to do a few hundred yards after a false start without going back to the pits to top up fuel and sort their bike out so they'd never manage 8 laps.

[New Science]

I love the Sport but as many others frustrated at how things are going and promoters are where I lay the blame at, they are scared of making major changes that could benefit the sport over here and also drag riders from riding in Poland/Sweden back over here instead because Polish/Swedish speedway will collapse eventually with amount of money they throw about.

 

As others have said Racing will never change, maybe we could do 8 lap races to make create 30 minutes of action in one night instead but it could still be follow the leader stuff as that is Racing, maybe 8 laps would tempt riders not to go all or nothing into first bend and give each other a bit more elbow room as they would have more laps to race and find a way by rider in front so that could lessen injuries over season, who knows but it would be different and why not use KO Cup as a trial run if riders agree also.

 

But most of all our League structure needs ripping up and putting in bin apart from National League which works perfectly well for the young ones now.

 

I would pay a marketing team to drive a new league system to Sky Sports and other potential sponsors and I would :

 

- North/South split of 10 teams in each

 

- teams would be made of 6 man teams and a junior as back up for any injuries like the number 8.

 

- no doubling up, no tactical rides ! We can't keep this riders riding for 2/3 different teams, we are already struggling to attract fans and newbies laugh at this.

 

- if your team is in the North split you would race them teams twice home and away so would be 18 home meetings from that and then you race each of the south teams once 5 home 5 away (23 Home meetings overall) if say Belle Vue (North) faced Poole (South) at Belle Vue in say 2016 in 2017 Belle Vue would travel to Poole.

 

After regular season is complete you have your North Champions & South Champions who face each other over 2 legs to find the British League champions, give it a fancy name and market it well and just maybe with a bit of risk for once we have a system that not only sells big to Sky Sports but to old and new fans who stay away.

 

With a proper marketing team put in place and a exciting new league system it may just tempt some riders back over to be apart of it.

 

 

How are Berwick,Redcar,Sheffield or any other team currently in the Premier league going to afford paying the top stars who ride in Sweden and Poland.