Boring

[steve roberts]

Graham Guthrie/ Graham Hambly and John Sutton all top class in my book.

Didn't Graham Hambly travel up from Plymouth after announcing at the football in the afternoon to make Swindon for the evening?

[ColinMills]

I got to enjoy the tones of John Earrey when he was presenter at White City. How he remained impartial when Ipswich came to town I don't know...a true professional!

yeah, a natural, he could sense tension in latter stages and new exactly how to build up the atmosphere. great banter with crowd, and on a dodgy ref call, he new exactly how to get the crowd going!

a foto finish earray would say "the winner..(pause) in white"......(will make sense if you recall it), he could just add that tension

[BWitcher]

yeah, a natural, he could sense tension in latter stages and new exactly how to build up the atmosphere. great banter with crowd, and on a dodgy ref call, he new exactly how to get the crowd going!

a foto finish earray would say "the winner..(pause) in white"......(will make sense if you recall it), he could just add that tension

 

Yep, a fair few announcers did that.. but again, it works when there is a good crowd in.. as after his announcement it's accompanied by loud cheers or shouts of "Rubbish!" (or worse)... nowadays they still do it, but its greeted mostly by silence.

[ColinMills]

think a promoter (like berry) could work the local paper brilliantly in selling the match, especially when hackney and len silver were in town, create a bit of needle

[steve roberts]

think a promoter (like berry) could work the local paper brilliantly in selling the match, especially when hackney and len silver were in town, create a bit of needle

John Berry...how he is missed!

[ColinMills]

think we solved the problem then.....loads of minor, solvable problems, but it comes down to ATMOSPHERE, bums on seats. get that sorted, and we back in business!!!..(good luck with that)!

[Sidney the robin]

There is nothing in that post that you haven't repeated several times already. Some, including myself , have a different opinion. However many times you repeat yourself it won't change the minds of those who disagree with you.

As to throttle control all I can say is that I have been going to Speedwáy meetings most of my life and I have rarely seen the masterclass of throttle control and cut backs that Peter Karlsson used to demonstrate week in week out in his days at Lakeside, and no doubt Bwitcher will say he was the same at Wolves. That is my considered opinion from being there, not from DVD's. There are and always have been good and bad riders and good and bad meetings. For goodness sake leave it at that.

Addio get off your high horse take a deep breath and try and debate are you capable? No i think not you think you are superior to the rest of us .OK people hate me on this forum 100 per cent, i can live with that no problem but i know i get on well with quite a lot of people on this forum who i have met and RESPECT.You and Witcher hate to say it are the two i dislike the most, Orion,Blazeaway not far behind try not to think you are SUPERIOR then you could then get back on the right track and at least debate with the rest of us.

[Gresham]

 

Thanks Steve, again this is exactly the point I am making. Atmosphere makes the sport.

 

In the early 80's the sport lost some glamour with riders like Penhall departing the scene.. then there was the 'fixed' races scandal after which the media began to cover the sport less and less. Less media coverage meant it began to fade away from the eyes of the general public and in particular the youngsters required to replace the natural wastage of fans drifting away, dying.

 

As the crowds gradually dropped, the atmosphere began to drop, good races didn't seem as good or thrilling.. Average races became poor races and so on.

 

Year on year the problems gradually have got worse.

 

However, the sport can still produce.. when the playoffs come along and you have a big crowd, it suddenly becomes brilliant again. Same riders, same tracks, same bikes.. its just the ATMOSPHERE.

We will have to agree to disagree...of course you need an atmosphere. But to create a good atmosphere, you need excitement. That excitement is created by good racing.

 

Watching tv, you don't feel the excitement like you would live.

 

Good racing, creates excitement, which contributes to a good atmosphere.

 

Take away good racing and you lose excitement, so you lose the atmosphere...and gradually over time if that's consistent, you lose the crowds.

 

You can create an atmosphere, like you get at Cardiff, because it's once a year. Attend that every week and people would get bored.

 

I've sat watching Man Utd in a crowd of 50,000 and it was like a library...because the game was poor.

 

Get a good game and the excitement and atmosphere return...see where I'm going here.

 

Why do you think people went to Speedway in the first place...because there was an atmosphere or because of the racing?

 

People go to watch racing...if it's good, it creates the atmosphere and excitement.

 

You can get excited watching racing in a small crowd, but people don't show it outwardly so much because they look like some demented freak.

 

Do it in a big group and people tend to join in.

 

I think we are never going to agree though...but please realise some people, in fact a great many, who have walked away, have done so, not because the atmosphere was bad, but because the racing was less exciting.

 

I've not heard one person say to me 'I don't go anymore because the atmosphere is bad'...I do however hear people say they don't go anymore because they find the RACING boring.

[BWitcher]

think we solved the problem then.....loads of minor, solvable problems, but it comes down to ATMOSPHERE, bums on seats. get that sorted, and we back in business!!!..(good luck with that)!

 

It's all about branding.

 

No more of the 'family sport' business.

 

Needs to be marketed as an Extreme Sport.. it is after all one of the most extreme sports there is.. that means promoting the thrills and spills, the danger and the crashes.

Addio get off your high horse take a deep breath and try and debate are you capable? No i think not you think you are superior to the rest of us .OK people hate me on this forum 100 per cent, i can live with that no problem but i know i get on well with quite a lot of people on this forum who i have met and RESPECT.You and Witcher hate to say it are the two i dislike the most, Orion,Blazeaway not far behind try not to think you are SUPERIOR then you could then get back on the right track and at least debate with the rest of us.

 

We are debating, quite a few of us. You're the only one who isn't, still rambling on with the same cut and paste post you make over and over till your next ban.

 

Stop polluting the thread please, the adults are talking amicably.

[Sidney the robin]

Didn't Graham Hambly travel up from Plymouth after announcing at the football in the afternoon to make Swindon for the evening?

Great announcer can remember when he did Exeter Scott A , Martin Hewlett ( bless him ) Nigel Booey( God bless) Lanning for me was very good Guthrie at Swindon i remember with fondness.

It's all about branding.

 

No more of the 'family sport' business.

 

Needs to be marketed as an Extreme Sport.. it is after all one of the most extreme sports there is.. that means promoting the thrills and spills, the danger and the crashes.

 

We are debating, quite a few of us. You're the only one who isn't, still rambling on with the same cut and paste post you make over and over till your next ban.

 

Stop polluting the thread please, the adults are talking amicably.

Fine but you are a LOSER my friend big time.😀😀😀 Edited April 27, 2016 by Sidney the robin

[ColinMills]

 

It's all about branding.

 

No more of the 'family sport' business.

 

Needs to be marketed as an Extreme Sport.. it is after all one of the most extreme sports there is.. that means promoting the thrills and spills, the danger and the crashes.

 

We are debating, quite a few of us. You're the only one who isn't, still rambling on with the same cut and paste post you make over and over till your next ban.

 

Stop polluting the thread please, the adults are talking amicably.

 

agree totally on that, get the brand right, must entice the youngsters, (even if I dislike their music)!

[BWitcher]

We will have to agree to disagree...of course you need an atmosphere. But to create a good atmosphere, you need excitement. That excitement is created by good racing.

 

Watching tv, you don't feel the excitement like you would live.

 

Good racing, creates excitement, which contributes to a good atmosphere.

 

Take away good racing and you lose excitement, so you lose the atmosphere...and gradually over time if that's consistent, you lose the crowds.

 

You can create an atmosphere, like you get at Cardiff, because it's once a year. Attend that every week and people would get bored.

 

I've sat watching Man Utd in a crowd of 50,000 and it was like a library...because the game was poor.

 

Get a good game and the excitement and atmosphere return...see where I'm going here.

 

Why do you think people went to Speedway in the first place...because there was an atmosphere or because of the racing?

 

People go to watch racing...if it's good, it creates the atmosphere and excitement.

 

You can get excited watching racing in a small crowd, but people don't show it outwardly so much because they look like some demented freak.

 

Do it in a big group and people tend to join in.

 

I think we are never going to agree though...but please realise some people, in fact a great many, who have walked away, have done so, not because the atmosphere was bad, but because the racing was less exciting.

 

I've not heard one person say to me 'I don't go anymore because the atmosphere is bad'...I do however hear people say they don't go anymore because they find the RACING boring.

 

We're never going to agree because you are wrong and all available evidence shows you to be wrong, you just won't admit it.

 

You're even giving the reasons why you are wrong in your own post yet you STILL don't get it.

 

You've admitted that an exciting race in a big group of people is better than in a small group. Therefore its simple, its not the race.. that hasn't changed, its the people watching it and the atmosphere.

 

You've heard people say they don't go anymore because the racing is boring because when there is no atmosphere around it, it will be more boring! You've admitted that yourself numerous times.

 

You've even admitted that watching these meetings from the past on tv, which you say were amazing, are boring as you don't get the atmosphere. Again, destroying your own argument.

 

Another example.. Darts.

 

Put Phil Taylor v Michael Van Gerwen in one of the old pubs/clubs they used to stage darts tournaments in, many would find it boring... put them in the O2 Arena or one of the venues for Premier League darts and its the best night out going to many! Same players, same game, same rules. Different ATMOSPHERE.

Edited April 27, 2016 by BWitcher

[ColinMills]

probably get shot down in flames with this suggestion, but as the league would benefit from a major sponsor, id even offer

a national newspaper (free) for one season. before shooting me down, say the mirror, for example. All sky games, all grounds with the mirror banners, yes, the mirror gets loads of publicity, but in return, speedway get a half page spread every week? yes, we given away a free sponsor package, but nationally, it get the sport coverage we desperately need....I will go put my tin hat on now!!

[BWitcher]

probably get shot down in flames with this suggestion, but as the league would benefit from a major sponsor, id even offer

a national newspaper (free) for one season. before shooting me down, say the mirror, for example. All sky games, all grounds with the mirror banners, yes, the mirror gets loads of publicity, but in return, speedway get a half page spread every week? yes, we given away a free sponsor package, but nationally, it get the sport coverage we desperately need....I will go put my tin hat on now!!

 

Why not?

 

It's this sort of outside the box thinking that is required. Nothing is being lost, plenty to gain.

[ColinMills]

 

Why not?

 

It's this sort of outside the box thinking that is required. Nothing is being lost, plenty to gain.

buster wanted suggestions, hes got one!

[Gresham]

 

We're never going to agree because you are wrong and all available evidence shows you to be wrong, you just won't admit it.

 

You're even giving the reasons why you are wrong in your own post yet you STILL don't get it.

 

You've admitted that an exciting race in a big group of people is better than in a small group. Therefore its simple, its not the race.. that hasn't changed, its the people watching it and the atmosphere.

 

You've heard people say they don't go anymore because the racing is boring because when there is no atmosphere around it, it will be more boring! You've admitted that yourself numerous times.

 

You've even admitted that watching these meetings from the past on tv, which you say were amazing, are boring as you don't get the atmosphere. Again, destroying your own argument.

 

Another example.. Darts.

 

Put Phil Taylor v Michael Van Gerwen in one of the old pubs/clubs they used to stage darts tournaments in, many would find it boring... put them in the O2 Arena or one of the venues for Premier League darts and its the best night out going to many! Same players, same game, same rules. Different ATMOSPHERE.

Wow...you really have lost the plot. It's unbelievable how you write posts with such authority saying someone is wrong, when you clearly haven't understood a word that's been written.

 

I'm writing in plain English, trying to make it simple for you, and still you don't understand.

 

There is no evidence that proves me wrong to what I have said...maybe to what you think...but not to what I have written.

 

I've not said racing is less exciting because of a small crowd...I've said atmosphere is improved when there is good racing. If there is good racing, then crowds return. Put good racing and crowds together and yes, you get a better atmosphere.

 

How much more simpler can I write it....not being funny, but you are either on a wind up, or not able to understand plain English when it's written.

 

Like someone else said...I find you the most infuriating and obnoxious person on this forum...you should take up Politics.

Edited April 27, 2016 by Gresham

[orion]

Like someone else said...I find you the most infuriating and obnoxious person on this forum...you should take up Politics.

I thought you never liked to abused people to make your point ? you must have had a memory loss

[Gresham]

I thought you never liked to abused people to make your point ? you must have had a memory loss

That's not abusing anyone...it's stating a fact. I find them obnoxious and infuriating.

 

The fact they spin words to fit their agenda, however much you try to make it simple for them to understand.

 

Them repeating the same words and saying someone is wrong all the time, doesn't make them easy to warm too.

 

I can agree to disagree...but trying to spin words is unacceptable. So it's either spin, not understanding, or complete obnoxiousness and an unwillingness to agree to disagree.

 

It seems there are a small band of people on here with thousands of posts, that seem to think they rule this forum...just because they've been vocal on a forum doesn't mean they know everything.

 

They are easy to spot when reading posts...a vocal minority...yet there are some very warm and intelligent people with no agenda or aggressive behaviour who seem to know their onions who have been around far longer than me on the earth. Some humility by some could go a long way to making this forum a more pleasant place to debate.

 

Anyone would think a lot of meds were being consumed on here.

[orion]

That's not abusing anyone...it's stating a fact. I find them obnoxious and infuriating.

Of course it's abusing just before you say it's a fact does not change that

[Gresham]

Of course it's abusing just before you say it's a fact does not change that

Get over yourself, nothing worse than someone being offended for a third party. What are you the forum Police?

 

No abuse given...and none was taken. People can find others infuriating and obnoxious, and say it like it is, without it being abuse...which is a very strong word, I should tread more carefully if I were you, before you go throwing accusations around.

 

Just trying to agree to disagree with someone in an adult fashion without spin being put on posts...perhaps a few of you should take a hard look at yourselves as it's very apparent there is a very small clique on here, that are very vocal and that have made thousands of posts and are very aggressive in their manner to anyone who dare stand up to them.

 

Perhaps that humility and warmth I spoke about, might attract some newcomers...or is it one of those forums where a few sit around congratulating themselves on how high and mighty they think they are.

 

It certainly comes across that way...

Edited April 27, 2016 by Gresham