Boring

[Reviresco]

Hardly great speedway PR from Rosco, was it. but I suppose apart from speedway fans, how many others would've been watching to catch his words of wisdom - and by the sounds of it a number of 'speedway fans' turned the broadcast off early? It's not as if his comments were on the back pages, and web-sites the next day.

 

So, is it better that people attend and make their minds up themselves, or that they never attend? Is the chance that they will not classify the racing as boring better than having them never having an opportunity to form an opinion? I think I'd rather take a person to speedway for the first and trust/hope that the experience was at a level sufficient for them to consider returning again and possibly 'spreading the word', rather than them never having had that option. Maybe my glass is half full though....

[Halifaxtiger]

You get plenty of fans on here saying it is all about the 15 heats racing. But it's not. It's about an evenings entertainment, and that needs to be far more than just the racing to attract a modern audience.

 

I'm probably not the one to judge, but I disagree.

 

If the racing is good enough and you avoid the usual annoyances (unnecessary delays, crap presentation etc.) that is an evenings entertainment.

Edited April 23, 2016 by Halifaxtiger

[BWitcher]

Couldn't believe a letter I read printed in this weeks SS...with respect, if the author is a member of this forum, but I was gobsmacked to what I was reading... He complained that Rosco commentated live on SKY that Leicester was a Gaters track and that a rider didn't have a chance if they didn't make the Gate...or words to that effect.

 

The author agreed with Rosco's comments, but said Rosco shouldn't have said this on live TV, as it would stop people attending.

 

Why would you want people to attend and then find out for themselves that it's processional? Surely they would never come back?

 

I agree with the authors assessment though, that it could be applied to many tracks and that it is little wonder that Speedway is struggling to attract crowds.

 

What's more annoying though, is that if the likes of Rosco think it, then i'm sure many in the game think the same as well.

 

It really doesn't make sense.

 

What doesn't make sense?

 

That most speedway races are won from the start? It has ALWAYS been like that.

[Gavan]

 

What doesn't make sense?

 

That most speedway races are won from the start? It has ALWAYS been like that.

Spot on never been any different. I would say out of 15 heats at least 12 are won by whoever is leading out of the second bend.

[E I Addio]

What doesn't make sense?

 

That most speedway races are won from the start? It has ALWAYS been like that.

I suppose you could also say that in most forms of motorcycle and motor racing the general pattern is that someone establishes an early lead and it frequently doesn't change much after that, but it is still a great spectacle in the eyes of its fans.

 

Speedwáy has some unfortunate baggage that puts people off but generally speaking it's still a great spectacle in its basic form.

[Gresham]

 

What doesn't make sense?

 

That most speedway races are won from the start? It has ALWAYS been like that.

Now that's what I call a proper WOOOSHHHH moment...I know you like Capitals BWitch, so I added some just for you ;-)

 

I like the way you've completely missed the point...Rosco was obviously pointing out that the track is such, that no one has a chance of overtaking on it.

 

Like many tracks these days...the slicker they are, the less chance you have of passing if you miss the gate.

 

Like you CORRECTLY say...most races are won from the gate and always have been...but at least in the past when tracks were set up grippier, deeper and with more racing lines...riders at least had a chance of catching up and passing on a more regular basis.

 

I do however, bow down to your logic in nearly every response, that speedway is pretty much the same as it's ever been...even if I think it's deluded and WRONG ;-)

[Sidney the robin]

Now that's what I call a proper WOOOSHHHH moment...I know you like Capitals BWitch, so I added some just for you ;-)

 

I like the way you've completely missed the point...Rosco was obviously pointing out that the track is such, that no one has a chance of overtaking on it.

 

Like many tracks these days...the slicker they are, the less chance you have of passing if you miss the gate.

 

Like you CORRECTLY say...most races are won from the gate and always have been...but at least in the past when tracks were set up grippier, deeper and with more racing lines...riders at least had a chance of catching up and passing on a more regular basis.

 

I do however, bow down to your logic in nearly every response, that speedway is pretty much the same as it's ever been...even if I think it's deluded and WRONG ;-)

Speedway now is nothing like Yesteryear not in my Opinion anyway.

[New Science]

Spot on never been any different. I would say out of 15 heats at least 12 are won by whoever is leading out of the second bend.

Didn't used to be like that as I remember !

[LunnasPerm]

Didn't used to be like that as I remember !

 

It definitley didn't. I have absolutely no way of justifying this belief, but I'm certain that it didn't.

 

I used to travel the country with my dad to watch speedway. Ashfield on a Sunday afternoon was guaranteed, but we'd also fit in Armadale on a Friday night if we could. We went to Workington, Berwick, Newcastle, Belle Vue, Poole, Exeter, the lot and it was exciting.

 

I was there the night Berwick's three Czech imports - Rymel, Makovsky and Franc - made their debut at Shielfield against a Bjarne Pedersen inspired Newcastle side and what a meeting that was. That fourth bend had more passes on it that night than Iniesta has completed all season at Barca. I was at Poole for the World Cup final in 2004 when Hans Andersen "cost" Team Great Britain the title. It was in that meeting that I witnessed the most incredible race I've ever seen; Gary Havelock and a little Pole who's name I forget, but it was four laps of passing, inside, outside, outside, inside. I'm sure it's on YouTube and it's worth a watch, it was speed versus knowledge and I'm sure Havelock won.

 

The Scottish derby and Edinburgh's meeting at Berwick were boring, compared to those I used to experience. I wish I knew why, but I don't. Then, that Sky meeting at Leicester (It was that bad, I don't remember who they were racing) was beyond poor. I have a lot of respect for those riders because they put their safety at risk, but that meeting was abysmal.

[Woz01]

Agreed. 5 year old me love Joe Screen because he did a whole lap on one wheel. I didn't care much for the racing but that was amazing, it mean that Joe was a favourite of mine all his career, pretty much off the back of seeing him do wheelies all the time. OK as I grew up I also realised he was a pretty exciting racer too.

 

I seen Joe Screen do that at (I think) Kings Lynn. I was astounded by it ar the time!

[B.V 72]

Agreed. 5 year old me love Joe Screen because he did a whole lap on one wheel. I didn't care much for the racing but that was amazing, it mean that Joe was a favourite of mine all his career, pretty much off the back of seeing him do wheelies all the time. OK as I grew up I also realised he was a pretty exciting racer too.

 

Then a few years back if you asked me the best meeting I'd seen I'd have told you Newport vs Glasgow in 1999. Newport were 8 down going into heat 14, so Newport put Craig Watson off 15 metres for double points. Glasgow Sean Coutrney made the gate ahead of Frank Smart but on lap 2 Frank went inside Sean and Sean fell off. Ref excluded Courtney, all hell broke loose on the pits bend with riders, mechanics, promoters etc all fighting. Crowd went wild, lapped it up. In the re-run Newport got an 8-1 and needed a 4-2 in heat 15. We somehow got the unlikely 4-2 in heat 15 to record a 47-46 win. It was brilliant, a win from nowhere with a fight and a last heat decider. I watched it back a couple of years ago. A totally rubbish meeting with 2 passes (one of them being Wato from 15 metres on a Glagsow reserve) but my brain told me it was one of the best meetings I had seen because of the 15 metre double, the fight and the last heat decider.

 

It's NOT just about 15 heats and that is where speedway promoters are going wrong.

I have never been a big fan of individual meetings and if i watch a league match on sky i still enjoy it but its not the same as when Belle vue are involved i find i support the team who's winning will help Belle vues league position.When i watch Swedish speedway even though the line ups are much stronger than in the UK i do not enjoy it as much as a British speedway meeting because the result dose not affect Belle vues league standing so it means nothing to me.

So i think you have hit the nail on the head SCB with how much you enjoyed the said meeting while you were there and not so much when you watched it again.

So my point is we all love to see a meeting full of passing but a big buzz while you are there is how your team are doing,a boring 5 1 can be exciting because it puts your team back into the match two boring 5 1s in the final two heats could bring your team back from the dead to win the meeting by 1 or 2 points making it a brilliant exciting meeting similar to SCBs meeting.When you watch it back its not the same or if you are a neutral then it may not be as exciting as it is for you.This is why i prefere Belle vues league meetings to any other because every heat has some meaning and if you have a passion for your club you want your team to win so boring races can have an affect on the result and so can be exciting if its going your way.

And so my overall point is that if a league meeting is close you dont have to have passing in every race for it to be exciting its all about being there and how the meeting unfolds.

[Trees]

I'd love to see a flying lap comp before every meeting .....

Edited April 25, 2016 by Trees

[sparkafag]

Why would you want people to attend and then find out for themselves that it's processional? Surely they would never come back?

 

 

Either that or go and like it, you do realise that happens yes? Some people actually like Speedway

[Gresham]

 

Either that or go and like it, you do realise that happens yes? Some people actually like Speedway

No need to be pedantic is there? Of course...otherwise I wouldn't be returning to the sport.

 

However...unless you have your head in the sand,you will notice that Clubs are struggling with attendances and many fans are staying away.

 

With respect, there seems to be a minority of people that seem adamant to make out Speedway hasn't got a problem.

 

Perhaps that's why Promotors are not bothered to change things...as they know in the short term,there will always be just enough people turning up to make a living from the sport...or still use it as a tax loss against other businesses they run.

[sparkafag]

With respect, there seems to be a minority of people that seem adamant to make out Speedway hasn't got a problem.

 

 

And yet again.....or they just like the sport.

[E I Addio]

 

With respect, there seems to be a minority of people that seem adamant to make out Speedway hasn't got a problem .

Can you point out the specific posts on this thread from people who are adamant that Speedwáy hasn't got a problem ? I must have missed those.

[Gresham]

 

 

And yet again.....or they just like the sport.

Ermmmm yet again...I think you are missing the point...MASSIVELY.

 

People like the sport...that's a given.

 

And like I said...there are a small number that still go regularly.

 

However...there are still a massive number that like the sport, but don't go anymore...SEE THE DIFFERENCE?

 

That is why you have long threads like this and the other one going about what fans want.

 

If you can't see there is a problem with the sport, then I can't help you.

 

 

Can you point out the specific posts on this thread from people who are adamant that Speedwáy hasn't got a problem ? I must have missed those.

 

The one above for a start...

[sparkafag]

Ermmmm yet again...I think you are missing the point...MASSIVELY.

 

People like the sport...that's a given.

 

And like I said...there are a small number that still go regularly.

 

However...there are still a massive number that like the sport, but don't go anymore...SEE THE DIFFERENCE?

 

That is why you have long threads like this and the other one going about what fans want.

 

If you can't see there is a problem with the sport, then I can't help you.

 

 

Christ what an absolute doom monger you are, it has went from you asking why you should go to speedway, to you go and it is crap and you don’t like it anyway, to speedway only exists so promoters can fiddle the books, honestly why bother going to the effort? it quite clearly isn’t a deep rooted love of the sport.

 

Re this thread. It isn’t long. It is about 15 pages and has about 15 contributors and a few who just keep going on about speedway and how they don’t actually like it, If you were to strip it down and look at that in the context of people who attend speedway that is about 0.0000000023 % of people who go that have bothered to post on here about how they also agree the sport is crap and boring.

 

There is a group of absolute narks who populated and pollute this forum and get it in their head that because 2 other people occasionally like their posts that they are totally validated when they claim 70,000 people have walked away from the sport because of tactical rides and race jackets. They do this despite there not actually being anything to validate that as there could be (and is) 10,000 reasons why people have walked away, but no these people then go on and on and on and on and on and on about how the sport is dying day in day out, thread after thread after thread, it is a drain on people who do actually enjoy speedway, it is probably the reason the guy wrote in about Rossiter because most speedway fans are fed up hearing about how crap a sport they like is at the best of times without being told the same thing when they are trying to enjoy a meeting on TV.

 

You have placed speedway in this prism of your mind and written your own context and narrative of how you see the sport and feel that those who don’t agree with you are happy clappers who adore the sport and feel all is right, it is complete nonsensical gibberish, it is a strawman, a false opposition an attempt to add weight to your posts and validate what you feel rather than it actually being correct.

 

The person you have created, this person who cannot see a problem with the sport does not exist, there is no such person, that person is your own personal bogeyman.

 

As I have said, and will say again, this is a SPEEDWAY FORUM, the reason a number of people still attend is because they like speedway, it isn’t there blame other people have decided the sport isn’t for them, it is just unfortunate that have to suffer the intolerable bullrubbish of people who have decided they don’t want to attend any more, thinking that and feeling that doesn’t mean they feel all is well with the sport.

Edited April 25, 2016 by sparkafag

[Shale Searcher]

 

 

Christ what an absolute doom monger you are, it has went from you asking why you should go to speedway, to you go and it is crap and you dont like it anyway, to speedway only exists so promoters can fiddle the books, honestly why bother going to the effort? it quite clearly isnt a deep rooted love of the sport.

 

Re this thread. It isnt long. It is about 15 pages and has about 15 contributors and a few who just keep going on about speedway and how they dont actually like it, If you were to strip it down and look at that in the context of people who attend speedway that is about 0.0000000023 % of people who go that have bothered to post on here about how they also agree the sport is crap and boring.

 

There is a group of absolute narks who populated and pollute this forum and get it in their head that because 2 other people occasionally like their posts that they are totally validated when they claim 70,000 people have walked away from the sport because of tactical rides and race jackets. They do this despite there not actually being anything to validate that as there could be (and is) 10,000 reasons why people have walked away, but no these people then go on and on and on and on and on and on about how the sport is dying day in day out, thread after thread after thread, it is a drain on people who do actually enjoy speedway, it is probably the reason the guy wrote in about Rossiter because most speedway fans are fed up hearing about how crap a sport they like is at the best of times without being told the same thing when they are trying to enjoy a meeting on TV.

 

You have placed speedway in this prism of your mind and written your own context and narrative of how you see the sport and feel that those who dont agree with you are happy clappers who adore the sport and feel all is right, it is complete nonsensical gibberish, it is a strawman, a false opposition an attempt to add weight to your posts and validate what you feel rather than it actually being correct.

 

The person you have created, this person who cannot see a problem with the sport does not exist, there is no such person, that person is your own personal bogeyman.

 

As I have said, and will say again, this is a SPEEDWAY FORUM, the reason a number of people still attend is because they like speedway, it isnt there blame other people have decided the sport isnt for them, it is just unfortunate that have to suffer the intolerable bullrubbish of people who have decided they dont want to attend any more, thinking that and feeling that doesnt mean they feel all is well with the sport.

 

 

100% totally correct....

[Gresham]

 

 

Christ what an absolute doom monger you are, it has went from you asking why you should go to speedway, to you go and it is crap and you don’t like it anyway, to speedway only exists so promoters can fiddle the books, honestly why bother going to the effort? it quite clearly isn’t a deep rooted love of the sport.

​ON SECOND THOUGHTS I WONT LOWER MYSELF TO INSULTS...WHERE HAVE I SAID IT'S CRAP AND I DON'T LIKE IT? WHERE HAVE I SAID PROMOTORS FIDDLE THE BOOKS?

WHAT YOU FAIL TO REALISE, IS THAT MANY PEOPLE HAVE A DEEP ROOTED LOVE FOR THE SPORT, AND WOULD LIKE TO GIVE SOME CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM AS TO HOW THE SPORT COULD BE IMPROVED. DON'T PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH THAT I HAVEN'T SAID.

 

Re this thread. It isn’t long. It is about 15 pages and has about 15 contributors and a few who just keep going on about speedway and how they don’t actually like it, If you were to strip it down and look at that in the context of people who attend speedway that is about 0.0000000023 % of people who go that have bothered to post on here about how they also agree the sport is crap and boring.

 

I'VE NOT SEEN ANYONE ON THIS FORUM WHO DOESN'T LIKE THE SPORT...IN FACT QUIET THE OPPOSITE. I'VE SEEN PLENTY OF PEOPLE GIVING CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM AND REASONS ON HOW THE SPORT COULD BE IMPROVED. I SEE PEOPLE WHO LOVE THE SPORT, IN FACT SO MUCH, THAT THEY'VE TAKEN THE TIME TO WRITE ON THIS FORUM BECAUSE THEY FEEL VERY STRONGLY ABOUT A SPORT THEY LOVE AND HATE TO SEE IT GOING TO THE DOGS. INSTEAD OF CONCENTRATING ON THE PEOPLE WHO STILL GO, PERHAPS YOU SHOULD CONCENTRATE ON THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE WALKED AWAY AND THE REASONS WHY.

 

There is a group of absolute narks who populated and pollute this forum and get it in their head that because 2 other people occasionally like their posts that they are totally validated when they claim 70,000 people have walked away from the sport because of tactical rides and race jackets. They do this despite there not actually being anything to validate that as there could be (and is) 10,000 reasons why people have walked away, but no these people then go on and on and on and on and on and on about how the sport is dying day in day out, thread after thread after thread, it is a drain on people who do actually enjoy speedway, it is probably the reason the guy wrote in about Rossiter because most speedway fans are fed up hearing about how crap a sport they like is at the best of times without being told the same thing when they are trying to enjoy a meeting on TV.

 

FUNNILY THE GUY WHO WROTE THE LETTER NO LONGER ATTENDS MEETINGS AND WAS A KEEN SPECTATOR FOR 50 YEARS...IN FACT HE SAID HE FOUND SPEEDWAY LESS EXCITING. THERE ARE NUMEROUS REASONS WHY PEOPLE HAVE WALKED AWAY FROM THE SPORT...OF WHICH DIFFERENT REASONS HAVE BEEN SPOKEN ABOUT.

I ACTUALLY ENJOY SPEEDWAY AND STILL LOVE IT...ALTHOUGH I CAN SEE HOW IT CAN BE IMPROVED AND VOICE MY CONCERNS LIKE OTHERS. JUST BECAUSE YOU ENJOY IT LIKE IT IS, DOESN'T MAKE YOU SOME SUPER FAN.

 

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You have placed speedway in this prism of your mind and written your own context and narrative of how you see the sport and feel that those who don’t agree with you are happy clappers who adore the sport and feel all is right, it is complete nonsensical gibberish, it is a strawman, a false opposition an attempt to add weight to your posts and validate what you feel rather than it actually being correct.

 

The person you have created, this person who cannot see a problem with the sport does not exist, there is no such person, that person is your own personal bogeyman.

 

​I COULD INTRODUCE YOU TO AT LEAST 18 PEOPLE I KNOW WHO STILL GO AND THINK SPEEDWAY IS PERFECT. I'M SURE THERE ARE MORE. THERE ARE ALSO PLENTY WHO THINK IT COULD BE IMPROVED.

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As I have said, and will say again, this is a SPEEDWAY FORUM, the reason a number of people still attend is because they like speedway, it isn’t there blame other people have decided the sport isn’t for them, it is just unfortunate that have to suffer the intolerable bullrubbish of people who have decided they don’t want to attend any more, thinking that and feeling that doesn’t mean they feel all is well with the sport.

 

​AGAIN MORE BULLrubbish FROM SOMEONE WHO DOESN'T READ POSTS PROPERLY, OR READS THEM AND WANTS TO READ IT ANOTHER WAY. I HAVE STARTED ATTENDING SPEEDWAY AGAIN...AND ENJOY IT...BUT LIKE I SAID BEFORE...IT COULD BE IMPROVED.

 

SO GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE AND START REALISING MANY PEOPLE LOVE THIS SPORT...THEY WOULDN'T BE ON THIS FORUM OTHERWISE...THEY WANT IT TO IMPROVE AND THEY GIVE CONSTRUCTIVE CRITISISM. WITHOUT THAT, HOW ELSE WOULD FEEDBACK GET BACK TO THE PROMOTORS?

 

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Edited April 25, 2016 by Gresham