Haza Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 When a meeting takes as long as that did last night, then you look at all the reasons why. 4half hrs to run any meeting is rediculous. It started at 7.15 and come 8 oclock we'd only had 3 races. That in itself was alarming, but there was no urgency shown by anyone. 8.15, 4 heats gone, 19 to go, and Buster spends 10 mins on the tractor. Another hours passes, 9.15. we are only on ht 7. Lambert has been waiting 2 hrs for his second ride. 9.30. we've had 8 heats, Buster does another track grade. Instead of just one tractor, why not use 2 or three to push proceedings along. The referee was always reluctant to press that 2 mins buzzer, it was left to the pit manager to get the riders out for the next race. it was taking forever.... The ambulance delay in heat 12 was unfortunate, Hate to see people get hurt. The announcement that we were going to forgo the interval, but we had 12 mins of Buster track grading on his own instead. . Its way past 11 when the 20 heats had finished. then we had to endure the gate selection process. When the final race finished, the time was 11.39pm. I'm so pleased you made the journey. Yes there were some good races, close races. and Lambert was supreme. Unfortunately he missed out on the final by a whisker, but he more than anybody else kept the local fans from going home. Standing 4half hrs watching 23 races that cost a premium is not my idea of good speedway. To put this into some sort of prospective, this meeting lasted as long as 3 football matches, I bet there were more people pleased they didn't go last night, than those that did....... Just saying you couldn't put any blame on them for the slow progress. no urgency ? Was you there last night ? Well if you was you'd have seen the riders out on the track long before the two minute warning buzzer .How can a meeting be speeded u When riders are laying on the track - if you was ther I applaud you as many couldn't be arsed to go to a World Final right on the door step if I was Buster I'd think why should I bother wasting a Saturday night on speedway when I could be running Stock cars - I'd guess all those arm chair fans will be missing on Wednesday night also when sky will be there those quick to criticise wasn't even there last night 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 When a meeting takes as long as that did last night, then you look at all the reasons why. 4half hrs to run any meeting is rediculous. It started at 7.15 and come 8 oclock we'd only had 3 races. That in itself was alarming, but there was no urgency shown by anyone. 8.15, 4 heats gone, 19 to go, and Buster spends 10 mins on the tractor. Another hours passes, 9.15. we are only on ht 7. Lambert has been waiting 2 hrs for his second ride. 9.30. we've had 8 heats, Buster does another track grade. Instead of just one tractor, why not use 2 or three to push proceedings along. The referee was always reluctant to press that 2 mins buzzer, it was left to the pit manager to get the riders out for the next race. it was taking forever.... The ambulance delay in heat 12 was unfortunate, Hate to see people get hurt. The announcement that we were going to forgo the interval, but we had 12 mins of Buster track grading on his own instead. . Its way past 11 when the 20 heats had finished. then we had to endure the gate selection process. When the final race finished, the time was 11.39pm. I'm so pleased you made the journey. Yes there were some good races, close races. and Lambert was supreme. Unfortunately he missed out on the final by a whisker, but he more than anybody else kept the local fans from going home. Standing 4half hrs watching 23 races that cost a premium is not my idea of good speedway. To put this into some sort of prospective, this meeting lasted as long as 3 football matches, I bet there were more people pleased they didn't go last night, than those that did....... Just saying you couldn't put any blame on them for the slow progress. Racing started at 19.30 as stated not 19.15.There was just about an hour between Lamberts 1st and 2nd ride so was not waiting 2hrs for his 2nd.You are some way out with some of your timings on how many races had gone by certain times.You were pretty close with the finishing time though you was only a few minutes out with that one. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
severnsider Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 How old are Lambert and pieszczek ? Lambert was 18 in April Pieszczek will be 21 in September 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 Racing started at 19.30 as stated not 19.15.There was just about an hour between Lamberts 1st and 2nd ride so was not waiting 2hrs for his 2nd.You are some way out with some of your timings on how many races had gone by certain times.You were pretty close with the finishing time though you was only a few minutes out with that one. Such was the slowness of the meeting, I posted the clock in my program throughout the night. Yes the parade started at 7.15am I didn't clock Lamberts opening ride, as it was the first on the night. His second ride Heat 7 hadn't started by 9.15. I can assure you my timings were spot on. no urgency ? Was you there last night ? Well if you was you'd have seen the riders out on the track long before the two minute warning buzzer .How can a meeting be speeded uWhen riders are laying on the track - if you was ther I applaud you as many couldn't be arsed to go to a World Final right on the door step if I was Buster I'd think why should I bother wasting a Saturday night on speedway when I could be running Stock cars - I'd guess all those arm chair fans will be missing on Wednesday night also when sky will be there those quick to criticise wasn't even there last night Yes I was there, all the time... until the final was run. I had had enough by then and forewent the celebrations . Just because the riders were on the track before the buzzer, doesn't show urgency, it shows the ref is so slow in putting it on. Sometimes were we waiting 10mins or more between races and still no 2min warning.. I have much respect for Buster and for the work he does, but it doesn't stop me voicing an opinion when things go wrong. its a pity others don't do the same..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 Someone has to seriously look at what went wrong with the under 21 meeting at KL. For a meeting to start at 7:30 and finish at 11:40... phew. OK there was a serious looking accident and the ambulance was on the track for 10 or more minutes....and rightly so. Sure there were other accidents and the odd tape break, but generally speaking there was too much time between races. Back to the same old question.... why do they open the pit gates when there is a tape breal or false start? Craxy.... just move em on up to the start and get the show running again. 23 races in 260 minutes, thats just over 11 minutes per race..... wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 (edited) Such was the slowness of the meeting, I posted the clock in my program throughout the night. Yes the parade started at 7.15am I didn't clock Lamberts opening ride, as it was the first on the night. His second ride Heat 7 hadn't started by 9.15. I can assure you my timings were spot on. Yes I was there, all the time... until the final was run. I had had enough by then and forewent the celebrations . Just because the riders were on the track before the buzzer, doesn't show urgency, it shows the ref is so slow in putting it on. Sometimes were we waiting 10mins or more between races and still no 2min warning.. I have much respect for Buster and for the work he does, but it doesn't stop me voicing an opinion when things go wrong. its a pity others don't do the same..... what?? the riders was on the track before the two minute buzzer and that doesn't show urgency what planet are you on ? Well to my mind it certainty does show urgency -how could the meeting have been speeded up then ? Grade the track when riders was laying on the track perhaps would have helped ? Dodge the ambulance with the tractor maybe ? Maybe a 6-30 start would have been better but still some would have moaned it's too early as I say if I was Buster I'd think why the hell do I bother - Tarmac the track and call it a stock car stadium and cut out the moaners - well I'm pleased to hear you at least made the effort to attend unlike those who couldn't be arsed . Edited June 19, 2016 by Haza Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 what?? the riders was on the track before the two minute buzzer and that doesn't show urgency what planet are you on ? Well to my mind it certainty does show urgency -how could the meeting have been speeded up then ? Grade the track when riders was laying on the track perhaps would have helped ? Dodge the ambulance with the tractor maybe ? Maybe a 6-30 start would have been better but still some would have moaned it's too early as I say if I was Buster I'd think why the hell do I bother - Tarmac the track and call it a stock car stadium and cut out the moaners - well I'm pleased to hear you at least made the effort to attend unlike those who couldn't be arsed . Didn't go because I didn't believe for an U21 World Final £20 + £5 to sit in the stand (which I'd have required) offered VFM After watching it on YouTube I feel the decision was justified not to attend. Nobody has given a valid reason for the pricing of this fixture when compared to other's in recent seasons at King's Lynn. Sorry Haza that your so upset by the turn out but clearly many many people didn't believe VFM was on offer. As for Wednesday, if the weather looks shaky, yes I will on the basis of VFM watch it on TV Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 Enjoyed watching the meeting delayed on YouTube, though can imagine it was frustrating live. Though track was dangerous but produced good racing -surprised to see Poole fans having a go at it, as that would seem to sum up the Poole track? Excellent display by lambert. Have to pick a piecszek lambert Fricke 1 2 3 now for the series? Hopefully prez injury not too serious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 Such was the slowness of the meeting, I posted the clock in my program throughout the night. Yes the parade started at 7.15am I didn't clock Lamberts opening ride, as it was the first on the night. His second ride Heat 7 hadn't started by 9.15. I can assure you my timings were spot on. Yes I was there, all the time... until the final was run. I had had enough by then and forewent the celebrations . Just because the riders were on the track before the buzzer, doesn't show urgency, it shows the ref is so slow in putting it on. Sometimes were we waiting 10mins or more between races and still no 2min warning.. I have much respect for Buster and for the work he does, but it doesn't stop me voicing an opinion when things go wrong. its a pity others don't do the same..... I think your stretching the truth a bit.Anyway as there were 10 minute gaps between some races,don't you think this was for some riders to be checked over after having a fall before they could resume racing again.God forbid if they hadn't been checked over and happened to cause another accident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 what?? the riders was on the track before the two minute buzzer and that doesn't show urgency what planet are you on ?If the ref takes ten minutes to put the X2 min warning on, then no, being on track before the warning does not signify urgency. Just as if the ref puts it on immediately after riders leave track after the previous heat, riders being out there after the 2 min warning doesn't signify a lack of urgency. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottrocks Posted June 19, 2016 Report Share Posted June 19, 2016 Enjoyed watching the meeting delayed on YouTube, though can imagine it was frustrating live. Though track was dangerous but produced good racing -surprised to see Poole fans having a go at it, as that would seem to sum up the Poole track? Excellent display by lambert. Have to pick a piecszek lambert Fricke 1 2 3 now for the series? Hopefully prez injury not too serious. Przedpelski rode for Torun today Nothing broken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 I think your stretching the truth a bit.Anyway as there were 10 minute gaps between some races,don't you think this was for some riders to be checked over after having a fall before they could resume racing again.God forbid if they hadn't been checked over and happened to cause another accident. So you say, but I can assure you the clock was correct. Some of the early accidents looked bad, but from the break they were simple slide offs. Had the ref been hesitant a moment he would have seen the riders trying to clear the track. In heats 14; 18; and 20 the fallen rider was up before the other riders had returned to the pits. Each of these occasions put extra waiting on the endless list. In 50 yrs of going to Speedway, this was the slowest meeting I'd ever witnessed. And you wonder why the crowds don't go any more. If the ref takes ten minutes to put the X2 min warning on, then no, being on track before the warning does not signify urgency. Just as if the ref puts it on immediately after riders leave track after the previous heat, riders being out there after the 2 min warning doesn't signify a lack of urgency. Spot on Mate!!! The ref was a joke. Heat 13, Buster had done his lengthy track grade, the track is empty, we wait..... 9mins passed before the riders came out. It was only when the riders were approaching the tapes for the start of the race did the 2 min warning sound. The cheers along the back straight could be heard over the bike noise.... Everything resembled 'Kinda-Garden Cops' . It was farcical...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haza Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 If the ref takes ten minutes to put the X2 min warning on, then no, being on track before the warning does not signify urgency. Just as if the ref puts it on immediately after riders leave track after the previous heat, riders being out there after the 2 min warning doesn't signify a lack of urgency. the point is the RIDERS was out on track straight after the previous race had ended they was ready to race - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 the point is the RIDERS was out on track straight after the previous race had ended they was ready to race -Hey if you were there u have a better idea than me, I fast forwarded on YouTube! My only point is that two minute warning in itself signifies nothing in terms of a meeting being run with urgency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kelvinht Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 There were a few delays were the ref could have moved things on a bit quicker, but in the main it was numerous falls and track grades after every 4 heats. IMO under the circumstances it was just about as quick as it could have. My gripe would have to be the p1ss poor presentation as seems to be the norm these days. Was no better than elite league. The presenter didn't really present. I could read out the starting line up each race and just let music play in between times. Felt sorry for buster with the poor crowd. Hardly encouraging. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted June 20, 2016 Report Share Posted June 20, 2016 My only point is that two minute warning in itself signifies nothing in terms of a meeting being run with urgency. Maybe I misunderstand something, but IMO 2 min warning is the best if not the only tool for the ref to keep the meeting moving forward. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted June 21, 2016 Report Share Posted June 21, 2016 Maybe I misunderstand something, but IMO 2 min warning is the best if not the only tool for the ref to keep the meeting moving forward.Yes I agree. My point was in response to a poster who said that proof that the meeting was run with urgency was that the riders were on track before the 2 minute warning went on. I would tend towards the opposite view, that the ref being quick to put it on indicates urgency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted June 26, 2016 Report Share Posted June 26, 2016 my pictures from the World U21 Final PRACTICE, Round 1, Kings Lynn 18.06.16 https://www.flickr.com/photos/the_womble/albums/72157667491538094 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevehone Posted June 27, 2016 Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 my pictures from the World U21 Final, Round 1, Kings Lynn 18.06.16 https://www.flickr.com/photos/the_womble/sets/72157670228132306 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchGrasstrack Posted August 24, 2016 Report Share Posted August 24, 2016 Patrik Mikel got the wildcard for the next round in Pardubice on 16.09. Ondrej Smetana and Josef Novak are the both reserves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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