Birmingham V Buxton (nt)

[pete cc]

 

Another BSPA / SCB Cock up?

 

How can this have got as far as racenight?

Surely as soon as Buxton tried to declare their 1-7 with an ineligible rider (i.e. a foreigner without a British passport), the team declaration should have been rejected, and Buxton told to sign someone else?

 

Yet the BSPA seemingly accepted an illegal team declaration (and even posted that illegal team declaration on their website) and only brought up the mistake at the last minute?

 

Then we come to how were Buxton able to use R/R in place of someone who hasn't ridden a fixture for the club, and technically isn't in their line up?

Surely their only options were to sign a legal rider or use a 3.00 rider

 

Can we expect a statement from Buster Chapman saying it's not his fault?

GIVE BUXTON A BREAK THEY WERE BAD ENOUGH LAST NIGHT

[uk_martin]

Another BSPA / SCB Cock up?

 

How can this have got as far as racenight?

Surely as soon as Buxton tried to declare their 1-7 with an ineligible rider (i.e. a foreigner without a British passport), the team declaration should have been rejected, and Buxton told to sign someone else?

Buxton boss Jason Pipe said: “‘I’m certainly over the moon that Jade is going to be coming back to race for Buxton, subject to the necessary paperwork/documents coming through, which he assures us is just a formality.

 

It was on the BSPA web site on 23rd December last year.

 

Is Jason Pipe guilty of complacency and underestimating the task of getting Mudgway registered? Don't these people know what it takes to register a rider, to get him licensed and to make him eligible to ride? This is almost as bad as a couple of years ago when promoters left right and centre were cocking up the work permit applications of certain Australian and American riders. They always think that they know best and are then found wanting.

 

I agree that the ACU / SCB / BSPA (whoever the cap fits) is being petty over needing a passport document rather than a certificate of citizenship but if those are the hoops that all riders have to jump through then the promoters should know these things and sort them out.

 

Buxton's management were shown up for a second time last night when they put out an undeclared #8 rider - Sam Wright - in Heat 12, as R/R, causing a delay to proceedings whilst his paperwork had to be provided to the match referee (by a runner from the pits) to prove his eligibility to ride. How completely amateurish. Good job it wasn't raining whilst we were being held up.

 

I have absolutely no grasp of the logic that allowed R/R for an ineligible rider that had not turned a wheel in anger for some years. How the BSPA justify that, other than out of blind pity for a poor team, I don't know.

 

All in all, Buxton + BSPA + SCB = Shambles.

Edited April 14, 2016 by uk martin

[Jayne]

 

It was on the BSPA web site on 23rd December last year.

 

Is Jason Pipe guilty of complacency and underestimating the task of getting Mudgway registered? Don't these people know what it takes to register a rider, to get him licensed and to make him eligible to ride? This is almost as bad as a couple of years ago when promoters left right and centre were cocking up the work permit applications of certain Australian and American riders. They always think that they know best and are then found wanting.

 

I agree that the ACU / SCB / BSPA (whoever the cap fits) is being petty over needing a passport document rather than a certificate of citizenship but if those are the hoops that all riders have to jump through then the promoters should know these things and sort them out.

 

Buxton's management were shown up for a second time last night when they put out an undeclared #8 rider - Sam Wright - in Heat 12, as R/R, causing a delay to proceedings whilst his paperwork had to be provided to the match referee (by a runner from the pits) to prove his eligibility to ride. How completely amateurish. Good job it wasn't raining whilst we were being held up.

 

I have absolutely no grasp of the logic that allowed R/R for an ineligible rider that had not turned a wheel in anger for some years. How the BSPA justify that, other than out of blind pity for a poor team, I don't know.

 

All in all, Buxton + BSPA + SCB = Shambles.

The Birmingham promotion were informed of our no 8 on Wednesday morning. Why it wasn't dealt with before the meeting I don't know. As for Jade's situation nothing to do with the team manager. Jade's legal status as a British Citizen is the same as myself and I presume yourself. One thing I do know is that this rule has not been applied consistently across the board. As for obtaining the passport the only way it would be declined is if you have a criminal record which is not the case. On Monday afternoon we were told it was OK for Jade to ride, this decision was then reversed hence why R/R was permitted.

[teaboy279]

UK Martin it does not change the fact that Buxton did everything correctly and all was ratified and put on the BSPA website in the declared Line Up. I have no affiliation with the Hitmen but in this instance they have been shafted royally.

 

Got to feel go a club that only exists to develop riders and certainly does not have a win at all costs attitude.

Infact I am shocked that anyone that knows Speedway is handing any blame to the club typical BSPA I am afraid.

[Jayne]

Well no. they didn't do everything correctly.

 

They've declared a team with an illegal rider. it's very clear in the rules that NL riders have to hold a British passport, and they declared a team which includes a rider without a British passport.

 

But surely the SCB/BSPA should have rejected the illegal team straight away, and not left things hanging until the 11th hour.

That's a fair comment but a bit harsh when they don't hold passports for everyone else. If they want to stick to the rules to that extent then it should apply to all. Its only the same as when you pass your driving test you have to wait for your licence to be processed but you can still drive.

[Islander15]

So basically Buxton's only error is believing that the process to obtain a passport would be quicker than it is.

Though the SCB/BSPA have poorly decided on the requirements to be British, as surely citizenship is fine. They also accepted Buxton's team declaration when they shouldn't have done until his passport arrived, seemingly changed their mind over Mudgway's eligibility at late notice and then permit Buxton to use R/R when there's no grounds for a facility.

 

Of the two parties I can see who's more to blame here as all I would lay at Buxton's door really is naivety.

[mac101]

Does jade have to give up his kiwi passport and become a full Brit or will they accept dual nationality

[Jayne]

Does jade have to give up his kiwi passport and become a full Brit or will they accept dual nationality

Not sure how that works or if he can retain it as well but he is now legally a British Citizen just the same as I am.

[uk_martin]

If the ACU / SCB have hoops to jump through, you have to jump through them.

 

It's obviously no good to say "he's good enough to jump through the hoop so why should it matter if he doesn't".

 

The fact that the hoops in this case are silly one's doesn't mean that you can ignore them either. I have sympathy with the fact that not everyone has to jump through these hoops but that's another issue altogether.

 

And I still don't understand why Rider Replacement can be allowed to a rider who is still not legal to ride and who hasn't ridden a race for the team. Maybe with 2 referees on site this afternoon (eventually) some kind of answer can be given.

[mrscambelt]

It will be intereststing to see if and when jade gets his English passport to see if he has to sign the paper work that they are talking about letting the likes of the Spillers ride. As it would mean he could not ride for NZ as they could not ride for Germany, i guess another hoop the BSPA have given a rider who is good enough to ride in the league, as we used to say at work its all gone pete tong