SCB Posted April 9, 2016 Report Share Posted April 9, 2016 So tell me this then...........why is it when Poole allegedly break the rules all hell breaks loose yet its acceptable for other clubs to do it................ Like when? No other team has got a list of cheating as long as Poole, in fact every other team combined is not as long as Poole. Also, when other teams do break the rules it tends to be forgotten about quicker because the vast majority of fans accept it happened and it was wrong. Yet Poole cheat and the Poole fans come out with crap like "jealous" and "hater" and "wouldn't care if it was another team". Poole use the rules to their best advantage rather than break them..............other clubs could do but do not appear to............we can put out a good team year after year and people still complain even when they have done nothing wrong........... Poole are TERRIBLE for breaking rules. Always have been. I tell you what, you name a time any EL team other than Poole broke the rules and I'll give you a time Poole did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted April 9, 2016 Report Share Posted April 9, 2016 Someone must have broken the rules last year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted April 9, 2016 Report Share Posted April 9, 2016 I Don't like Matt Ford but the others need to raise there game and try to match him ...no good feeling sorry for yourself ...each year they let him bring a set of rules that allowed Poole a massive advantage over the other teams who's fault is that ? ...a lot of speedway problems are that people fell sorry for themselves and want and charity ..there is no reason a club of the lions size should not be able to match poole if it was run right and there are other clubs who could do the same . I hate Ford for a lot of things has done but at the same time he ran his club his club well and always understood what his public have wanted . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted April 9, 2016 Report Share Posted April 9, 2016 Teams need to be ahead of the game such as when The Aces signed Jason Lyons on a low average after a year way from the club - oh wait a minute the rules were re written to stop that. There was a time when The Aces didn't break any rule but stretched the spirit somewhat when they had team members missing for a tough match. They postponed the fixture to give themselves the edge next time which showed some sharp thinking to put them ahead of the rest - oh actually don't use this one either as we ended up being fined and losing match points. It's not as easy as it looks being ahead of the game. For some anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 9, 2016 Report Share Posted April 9, 2016 Someone must have broken the rules last year... <cough>Goggles<cough> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted April 9, 2016 Report Share Posted April 9, 2016 <cough>Goggles<cough> I meant knowingly - by a promoter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 9, 2016 Report Share Posted April 9, 2016 I meant knowingly - by a promoter. I dont think most of them are capable of knowingly breaking rules. That would mean them knowing the rules and not being useless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted April 9, 2016 Report Share Posted April 9, 2016 He's always one step ahead of everyone else. He's made Poole into a well run team, before he came, it was a also ran premier league team at best. Promoters should be learning from him and beat him at his own game. In SCB's words... "if they were clever enough". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MFE Posted April 9, 2016 Report Share Posted April 9, 2016 It hurts a lot to say this, but Poole have got their business model right, they seem to plan thoughtfully each year to ensure they are competitive the next, so in that respect more power to their elbow! - Without Poole's standards, I suspect the Elite League if its possible would be even weaker than it is at present, in other words they drive up standards. They have a knack of signing "racers" not just "riders", however where I part company from them, is when they bend and manipulate the rules to suit themselves, we should not expect even the weakest of promotions of other tracks to participate in what is almost cheating with rider averages etc. If I lived in Poole I would definitely attend each week as they put out an attractive team, and surely this has to be the bottom line. I know top riders don't want to commit to riding in the UK in any numbers, but the product on offer generally in the Elite is sub-standard, I reckon 4 teams are painfully weak and the play-off contenders will be decided really early this year, I agree with Mick Horton that we have a league of 1 and a league of 7 teams, but this in my opinion is the fault of the 7 not totally Poole, as much as it annoys me to say so. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted April 9, 2016 Report Share Posted April 9, 2016 I agree with Mick Horton that we have a league of 1 and a league of 7 teams, but this in my opinion is the fault of the 7 not totally Poole, as much as it annoys me to say so. I agree with you ..the others only have themeselfs to blame ..one for letting Poole and Ford set the rules that somehow always suit them every year and two how the way they run there clubs . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 9, 2016 Report Share Posted April 9, 2016 It hurts a lot to say this, but Poole have got their business model right, they seem to plan thoughtfully each year to ensure they are competitive the next, so in that respect more power to their elbow! - Without Poole's standards, I suspect the Elite League if its possible would be even weaker than it is at present, in other words they drive up standards. They have a knack of signing "racers" not just "riders", however where I part company from them, is when they bend and manipulate the rules to suit themselves, we should not expect even the weakest of promotions of other tracks to participate in what is almost cheating with rider averages etc. If I lived in Poole I would definitely attend each week as they put out an attractive team, and surely this has to be the bottom line. I know top riders don't want to commit to riding in the UK in any numbers, but the product on offer generally in the Elite is sub-standard, I reckon 4 teams are painfully weak and the play-off contenders will be decided really early this year, I agree with Mick Horton that we have a league of 1 and a league of 7 teams, but this in my opinion is the fault of the 7 not totally Poole, as much as it annoys me to say so. I know it's frowned upon to quote a whole post to say I agree but it's worth it here. This post is spot on. I've said a few times now Matt Ford is 95% spot on but sadly that 5% where he cheats, bends and manipulates ruins what should be a great legacy in the sport and it' stupid as he doesn't need to do it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted April 9, 2016 Report Share Posted April 9, 2016 (edited) Who is assuming the other promoters vote the rules in that suit poole, the way i see it is .....IF each club has one vote each it would mean a majority of 5/3 for any rule change to be decided therefore what happens when its 4/4 ? who has the deciding vote.....someone from the bspa/scb management ? if theres a clik among clubs ...i know at one time pool,wolves and lakeside used to vote together......so they would only really need one more if the deciding voter was on there side too so in reality it could be fairly easy for the rules to favour one club in a way i also have no sympathy for any of the promoters they bring in these stupid rules year on year ..... one negative thing that could happen is a few of the promoters will get disilusioned with the sport as a few promoters have over the years due to that fact that one teams always seem to have a monopoly and other promoters are loosing money hand over fist, its fair to think some may just walk away as sandhu did .... Edited April 9, 2016 by heathen chemistry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Panda Posted April 9, 2016 Report Share Posted April 9, 2016 Like when? No other team has got a list of cheating as long as Poole, in fact every other team combined is not as long as Poole. Also, when other teams do break the rules it tends to be forgotten about quicker because the vast majority of fans accept it happened and it was wrong. Yet Poole cheat and the Poole fans come out with crap like "jealous" and "hater" and "wouldn't care if it was another team". Poole are TERRIBLE for breaking rules. Always have been. I tell you what, you name a time any EL team other than Poole broke the rules and I'll give you a time Poole did. Classic example and ironically it was against Poole was when Belle Vue faked the burst water main because some of their riders could not get back from Poland............funny how a picture of Matej Zagar in his Manchester Hotel room was posted on FB shortly after............. Like I said they use the rules to their best advantage so now tell me why that is cheating............. RP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 9, 2016 Report Share Posted April 9, 2016 Classic example and ironically it was against Poole was when Belle Vue faked the burst water main because some of their riders could not get back from Poland............funny how a picture of Matej Zagar in his Manchester Hotel room was posted on FB shortly after............. Like I said they use the rules to their best advantage so now tell me why that is cheating............. RP And everyone said it was bad. And they were punished. That was not "using rules to your advantage", it was blatant cheating. As was Poole cancelling a meeting vs Lakeside because they didn't have enough riders. Funny how BV do it and they get a huge fine and are prevented from calling off meetings. Poole do it and nothing happens. Why was that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted April 9, 2016 Report Share Posted April 9, 2016 Cos teenagers are better at getting away with stuff then BV. They not exactly subtle about it are they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted April 9, 2016 Report Share Posted April 9, 2016 ford did a deal with cook a day or two in advance , paid travelling expenses and maybe a little brown envelope...... belle vue obviously didnt have time to come up with such a scheme so had to think of something quick - but poole were told to ride by the scb with there original squad , but didnt want to re-declare without new signing pawlicki who hadnt ridden for them as yet 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluebee Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 You can admire the chutzpah, the razor sharp brain for spotting weakness in the regulations, you can applaud the Machiavellian mind that bends and distorts the situation to the advantage of one team but then you are supporting the death of the sport by a thousand cuts. The run of Poole championships has been like the successive hammering of nails in the coffin of British speedway. Each win has made the sport weaker. Each championship has been followed by a diluting of the sport in this country. Each trophy has left bad feeling amongst rival supporters. I doubt if anyone in the future will look fondly on this period of Poole dominance. They will only reflect on a time of decline. Matt Ford likened Poole to Man Utd but they are really the Don Revie Leeds United - The Damned United. Cynicism and underhand craft were the preferred methods of both managements. Until a real competitiveness is achieved across the league the sport will continue to decline. Speedway is such an exciting sport at its best - unfortunately, that is becoming rarer and rarer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 You can admire the chutzpah, the razor sharp brain for spotting weakness in the regulations, you can applaud the Machiavellian mind that bends and distorts the situation to the advantage of one team but then you are supporting the death of the sport by a thousand cuts. The run of Poole championships has been like the successive hammering of nails in the coffin of British speedway. Each win has made the sport weaker. Each championship has been followed by a diluting of the sport in this country. Each trophy has left bad feeling amongst rival supporters. I doubt if anyone in the future will look fondly on this period of Poole dominance. They will only reflect on a time of decline. Matt Ford likened Poole to Man Utd but they are really the Don Revie Leeds United - The Damned United. Cynicism and underhand craft were the preferred methods of both managements. Until a real competitiveness is achieved across the league the sport will continue to decline. Speedway is such an exciting sport at its best - unfortunately, that is becoming rarer and rarer. Shame that, isn't it, we look forward to October... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagonshocker Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 Matt is a great business man, shame he can not show a little bit of good will and compassion towards ALL of the other clubs, because without them he would not have a business. Spot on! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stoke Potter Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 I don't have the in-depth knowledge of Poole's supposed past misdemeanors but what I don't understand is why the other promotions would allow them to get away with it? Did the Coventry - Peterborough walkout have any connection with Poole's dominance? It's also got to be true to say that if most clubs had a Ford then the EL would be much better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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