heathen chemistry Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 (edited) some folks were wondering where all the ford accusations come from ..... http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/866600.SPEEDWAY___MATT_IN_PLEA_TO_KEEP_REF_AWAY/ Did he get his wish and stop durno reffing any poole matches? http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/10472415.Pirates__Ford_shocked_over_SCB_s_postponement_probe/ shocked , yes but then nothing was done was it...... http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/9788606.Pirates__Ford_hits_back_at_King_s_Lynn_after_verbal_attack_over_Miedzinski/ rule bend 1 http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/4504820.Pirates__Ford_repeats_pull_out_threat/ if things dont go your way threat to pull out of the league..... http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/4443835.Ford_says_Pirates_may_go_Premier_next_year/ ditto http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/5365079.Ford_says_sorry_over__throw_race__order/ ford tells riders both riders to throw race to get a 5-0 to then be able to do a tactical then apologises .....think of that what you will..... http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/4418525.Pirates__Ford_says__envy__is_to_blame_for_inquiry/ envy..... a favourite used by the blue tinits on here http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/4410298.PIRATES__FORD_HITS_BACK_AT__SCANDALOUS__BRATLEY/ more average manipulation allegations http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/1328993.Ford_refutes_Cook_s_claim/ cook labels ford a bully....oh dear http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/4447022.FORD__I_LL_SELL_PIRATES/ if i dont get my way im off............ http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/5353467.FORD_WAITS_ON_SCB_VERDICT/ just a selection of posts ive found from looking online, in the scheme of things i only scratched the surface there were hundreds of pages i only got through about 10% of them so for those who continually post such things as '' we dont cheat we just use the rules to our advantage matt is forward thinking etc etc etc ..think again in these posts he himself admits it and apologises also certain referees getting banned from officiating in poole meetings because of excluding poole riders wrongly in fords view ,the excuse trotted out is referees are ruining my business a line used quite often by the way... threats to pull poole out of the elite and go premier because things didnt go the way of poole .....the line trotted out again is the other promoters voting these rules in are ruining my business.... Edited April 11, 2016 by heathen chemistry 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 some folks were wondering where all the ford accusations come from ..... http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/866600.SPEEDWAY___MATT_IN_PLEA_TO_KEEP_REF_AWAY/ Did he get his wish and stop durno reffing any poole matches? http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/10472415.Pirates__Ford_shocked_over_SCB_s_postponement_probe/ shocked , yes but then nothing was done was it...... http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/9788606.Pirates__Ford_hits_back_at_King_s_Lynn_after_verbal_attack_over_Miedzinski/ rule bend 1 http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/4504820.Pirates__Ford_repeats_pull_out_threat/ if things dont go your way threat to pull out of the league..... http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/4443835.Ford_says_Pirates_may_go_Premier_next_year/ ditto http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/5365079.Ford_says_sorry_over__throw_race__order/ ford tells riders both riders to throw race to get a 5-0 to then be able to do a tactical then apologises .....think of that what you will..... http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/4418525.Pirates__Ford_says__envy__is_to_blame_for_inquiry/ envy..... a favourite used by the blue tinits on here http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/4410298.PIRATES__FORD_HITS_BACK_AT__SCANDALOUS__BRATLEY/ more average manipulation allegations http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/1328993.Ford_refutes_Cook_s_claim/ cook labels ford a bully....oh dear http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/4447022.FORD__I_LL_SELL_PIRATES/ if i dont get my way im off............ http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/5353467.FORD_WAITS_ON_SCB_VERDICT/ Wow even i didnt realise the list was this long and thats without the Belle Vue farce I think a lot of these reports show the lengths that Ford is prepared to go to to get success. Basically the man is a cheat that is just out for himself. You cant help but think his attitude has rubbed off on some of the fans going by their statements and quite clearly Ford will not be happy until the elite league has just 1 team it, Add on the fact he is the worst loser there is and no wonder he is the most hated promoter ever 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 The thing is, some of them things were just petty moaning. Miedzinski facility at Lynn - rules said it was allowed, even if it was stupid and the 5-0 "farce". But it never got in the paper about Poole cheating a grieving Lakeside days after Lee Richardsons death. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRushbrook Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 The thing is, some of them things were just petty moaning. Miedzinski facility at Lynn - rules said it was allowed, even if it was stupid and the 5-0 "farce". But it never got in the paper about Poole cheating a grieving Lakeside days after Lee Richardsons death. Remind me about this (Lee Richardson comment) please. I'm a Lakeside fan but don't remember anything underhand on this occasion.. Reading the article about us (Lakeside) using Kasprzak is interesting. I was at the first fans meeting that Stuart Douglas held where he announced KK had signed. He said that Lakeside went all out to sign Jason Crump and that Jason was very interested in coming here. He made a comment to the effect, that KK was offered to us with favourable terms if we ended our pursuit of Jason Crump. Not sure what the favourable terms were but I don't believe that Poole were as helpful to us as the article suggests.....again in turn being more helpful to themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Remind me about this (Lee Richardson comment) please. Poole had Masters and Ludvig Lindgren. When using MAsters by average he rode in the 1-5 but Lindgren rode in reserve. Lindgren was riding in the Swedish final (as were Dennis Andersson and Ricky Kling). Poole used R/R for Andersson and had Mateusz Szczepaniak guest for Kling. Masters failed a last minute fitness test, meaning that technically, Lindgren then took over so the guest was for him BUT that meant the guest should be in reserve and Kling (Mateusz Szczepaniak) should have moved to number 2. But Poole used a guest for Masters, not Lindgren in the 1-5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRushbrook Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Poole had Masters and Ludvig Lindgren. When using MAsters by average he rode in the 1-5 but Lindgren rode in reserve. Lindgren was riding in the Swedish final (as were Dennis Andersson and Ricky Kling). Poole used R/R for Andersson and had Mateusz Szczepaniak guest for Kling. Masters failed a last minute fitness test, meaning that technically, Lindgren then took over so the guest was for him BUT that meant the guest should be in reserve and Kling (Mateusz Szczepaniak) should have moved to number 2. But Poole used a guest for Masters, not Lindgren in the 1-5. Ah ok, thanks. Easy to see why that would slip under the radar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Wow even i didnt realise the list was this long and thats without the Belle Vue farce I think a lot of these reports show the lengths that Ford is prepared to go to to get success. Basically the man is a cheat that is just out for himself. You cant help but think his attitude has rubbed off on some of the fans going by their statements and quite clearly Ford will not be happy until the elite league has just 1 team it, Add on the fact he is the worst loser there is and no wonder he is the most hated promoter ever I'd forgotten about a lot of those! My memory isn't as it was I tend to give Ford the benefit of the doubt cos I went to Poole before he took over, so know what a massive difference it is. I agree that his decisions tend to be what's best for Poole not necessarily the league as a whole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 (edited) http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/831832.SPEEDWAY___ROW_OVER_ANT____INJURY___/ This one is a gem, fiddling the guest rule,, booking a rider before an injury.... http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/9792116.Pirates__Stars_chief_in_Twitter__cheats__slur/ Then there was this one 'cheats never prosper' i wonder who tweeted that? lol Edited April 11, 2016 by heathen chemistry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damosuzuki Posted April 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Must admit I didn't know Ford had as bad a record as this. Muddlo's outbursts on twitter are always a laugh though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/831832.SPEEDWAY___ROW_OVER_ANT____INJURY___/ This one is a gem, fiddling the guest rule,, booking a rider before an injury.... http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/9792116.Pirates__Stars_chief_in_Twitter__cheats__slur/ Then there was this one 'cheats never prosper' i wonder who tweeted that? lol Im sure you could find loads more of instances like this. Goes to show really that where their is controversy in the Elite League Poole are at the heart of most of it.................but its just jealousy lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
500cc Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 I was at the first fans meeting that Stuart Douglas held where he announced KK had signed. He said that Lakeside went all out to sign Jason Crump and that Jason was very interested in coming here. He made a comment to the effect, that KK was offered to us with favourable terms if we ended our pursuit of Jason Crump. Not sure what the favourable terms were but I don't believe that Poole were as helpful to us as the article suggests.....again in turn being more helpful to themselves. I obviously can't comment on the validity of that specific scenario, but this is one type of example of the issue I have. The standard answer is that Poole have an equal vote on all issues, except equal doesn't necessarily mean equal. As an example, what happens if the deal is KK cheap plus support us on Vote Z. Alternatively we won't make our assets available until its so late your team building is screwed. You only have to read the insinuations he makes in the press to realise the pressure he will put on individuals behind closed doors. I'm not claiming that Poole have done that here, but just an idea that when promoters vote in something they have different agenda's. Ever been in a meeting where a majority can't be reached due to two extreme factions. Those who don't care on the topic eventually jump one way or another to move on. Imagine if that were done with an offer to support a vote that did mean something to you. Other promoters aren't as naive as sometimes portrayed. In a straight off the track battle with Ford they will lose. They may win the battle but lose the war. It's easy for us to sit here and criticise promoters for apparent lack of ambition, but in many cases they are trying to protect their business before worrying that Poole may gain an advantage towards winning the title. Promoters have different objectives and Ford's is the master of this. They don't even pay their riders as much as some other teams, but Ford has created a strategy that will provide the best team virtually every year. However good he is, that shouldn't actually be possible within a sport with strict points control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4gillian Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 So you clearly didn't see Steves post No 81. Conveniently missed that then. As i said, no matter whether i add to it or not, most threads turn into a poole slanging match. Funny that.. Spot the common denominator....I'll give you a clue.....IT'S YOU!!! You are the one who makes it personal! Gavan does too sometimes but only cos you antagonize him. Don't bother Lisa, he's been told numerous times. It's like gonorrhea, but less intelligent... I liken it to thrush as the annoying little <insert own word of choice> just won't go away! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 So the asset system is causing a lot of probs and with Ford and Readypower getting in bed together that's lots of assets in the hands of Poole .... Need more riders owning their own "registrations", is that the correct term? Mark Loram did? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 (edited) Im sure you could find loads more of instances like this. Goes to show really that where their is controversy in the Elite League Poole are at the heart of most of it.................but its just jealousy lol correct.. its not jealousy ...this is history.... So the asset system is causing a lot of probs and with Ford and Readypower getting in bed together that's lots of assets in the hands of Poole .... Need more riders owning their own "registrations", is that the correct term? Mark Loram did? mark loram wasnt too happy with ford either...when the current english world champion is treated badly then .....i can also put link for that one on here too http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/5404117.Mark_bites_back_/ http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/sport/1943983.CAUGHT_OUT_ON_WEB/ also this one fans had to tell the bspa about there own rulebook after poole tried to use wrong lower average for craig watson..... Edited April 11, 2016 by heathen chemistry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 correct.. its not jealousy ...this is history.... mark loram wasnt too happy with ford either...when the current english world champion is treated badly then .....i can also put link for that one on here too http://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/news/5404117.Mark_bites_back_/ i thank you for posting the Mark Loram story. As some on here know (and some dont believe) we have known the Loram family since Mark was 14 and my uncle sponsored him. I posted on a Poole thread that Mark was treate badly by Matt Ford only to be shot down by the usual suspects claiming Mark asked for more money than Tony which was complete tosh. This article shows quite clearly what sort of man Matt Ford is. Mark Loram is probably one of the nicest guys there has been in the sport and nobody has a bad word to say about him and it takes a lot to anger him. As stated Matt Ford annoyed him and how disgraceful that some Poole fans booed and heckled him as well after the way he rode for them. Try watching the race with Mark, Havvy, Hamill and Hancock at Wimborne Road back when the track was good 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 i thank you for posting the Mark Loram story. As some on here know (and some dont believe) we have known the Loram family since Mark was 14 and my uncle sponsored him. I posted on a Poole thread that Mark was treate badly by Matt Ford only to be shot down by the usual suspects claiming Mark asked for more money than Tony which was complete tosh. This article shows quite clearly what sort of man Matt Ford is. Mark Loram is probably one of the nicest guys there has been in the sport and nobody has a bad word to say about him and it takes a lot to anger him. As stated Matt Ford annoyed him and how disgraceful that some Poole fans booed and heckled him as well after the way he rode for them. Try watching the race with Mark, Havvy, Hamill and Hancock at Wimborne Road back when the track was good another example of manipulating the media .....ford wasnt going to publish the truth and say he wanted to sign rickardsson instead of world champ loram the fans would no doubt say how dare you treat mark that way after what he has just done, so to get the fans n his side and not marks he reported mark wanted too much money , which mark says was not true,, im sure rickardsson wasnt cheap! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Poole had Masters and Ludvig Lindgren. When using MAsters by average he rode in the 1-5 but Lindgren rode in reserve. Lindgren was riding in the Swedish final (as were Dennis Andersson and Ricky Kling). Poole used R/R for Andersson and had Mateusz Szczepaniak guest for Kling. Masters failed a last minute fitness test, meaning that technically, Lindgren then took over so the guest was for him BUT that meant the guest should be in reserve and Kling (Mateusz Szczepaniak) should have moved to number 2. But Poole used a guest for Masters, not Lindgren in the 1-5. Conveniently omitting that Lee Richardson also rode for Poole; that the Lakeside management were in full agreement to the Masters change (bearing in mind he didn't get injured until the parade lap!!) and that the change was sanctioned and approved by the SCB official. Also the meeting was not ridden 'under protest'!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Conveniently omitting that Lee Richardson also rode for Poole; that the Lakeside management were in full agreement to the Masters change (bearing in mind he didn't get injured until the parade lap!!) and that the change was sanctioned and approved by the SCB official. Also the meeting was not ridden 'under protest'!! Hardly conveniently omitted. Lee Richardson having ridden for Poole hardly changes the fact you cheated. And it's poor to use the fact he had raced for you before to justify cheating. And the rulebook has always made it clearly that teams can't agree to ignore the rules. So it doesn't matter if Lakeside did agree to it, it was still cheating. It's even worse that they knew they were doing it and this is proof they knew they were if what you say is correct. He was injured the week before, but he pulled out on the parade. Make no difference if it was 6 weeks or 6 seconds before the meeting started either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 When it comes to contentious issues, it cannot be denied that the eventual outcome is usually favourable to Poole. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 (edited) I would take the point if it was 2001 when Ford verged on a team building genius irrespective of the budget at his disposal. While they didn’t win the title that season the side built that year was a genuine achievement under those rules and regulations. The way Andersen and Cegieslki arrived and instantly performed was admirable, that side assembly was more praiseworthy than the restructure mid 2007 IMO (and that was also a hell of an achievement) At that time though there was also fair options there for sides to negate Poole’s strength and thus they didn’t actually win the title in 2001, now though the EL just stinks of a league where half the teams start with an arm behind their back. I appreciate the counter is he was a team building genius then and still is now and works the rules well, probably rings true but at least back then the other sides appeared to bother to fight back, and were far more enabled to than they are now. It just appears seasons are settled before they start now barring one or two surprise results along the way. I say all that as someone who doesn’t in anyway hate Poole. I appreciate the dynasty created and look on at most sides (eg 2001 and 2007) with a certain degree of awe, but the last few years it’s hard not look at them with a degree of asterisk placing next to it. Edited April 11, 2016 by sparkafag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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