Matt Ford - No Sympathy

[Trees]

The way I see Poole is how I see a footballer who dives.

 

In time the footballer cuts out most of the diving but still gets a rough ride from the ref and fans alike whenever he goes down.

 

The footballer has created a reputation for himself so that every little issue comes under the microscope.

 

The problems fans of other clubs have with Poole are not without foundation I'm afraid.

Poole the club = Nicki Pedersen the rider

[Gavan]

Not Matt Fords biggest fan not by a long chalk.

 

He is good for Poole speedway but yet this article still quite clearly shows he has no idea what some of his actions have done to the sport and unfortunatly some of the blind sheep on here follow his every word.

 

One day there will be no elite league and some think thats fine as long as Poole at the top it doesnt matter about our sport.

 

As ive always said good for Poole but not good for the sport

[The Voice Of Reason]

Why don't other clubs pull the same strokes as Fraud?

 

Very often I'd imagine that this boils down to one thing - money.

 

You only have to see the team Poole assemble; or the sudden appearance of grinning boy the other year, to get the idea that this bloke is minted. It's also apparent that he has a 'win at all costs' mentality because he's probably always been brought up by Mummy & Daddy to be a spoilt brat. "What Matthew wants, Matthew shall have". Proof indeed subsequently evident by his pathetic, childish, poor-loser mentality when Coventry pipped them to the title.

 

It broke my heart the other year when Cook basically allowed him to get away with cancelling a meeting with Lakeside; despite Poole having a team, and being advised by the SCB to fulfill the fixture. He called it off 'in the interests of (Poole) speedway' and our promotion rolled over and had their tummies tickled. That subsequent 3 points, achieved in the re-arranged fixture, basically gave Poole their (4th) place in the play-offs and they won the league yet again. Cook's defence was "what could we have done when Poole called off the meeting"? My argument was to have advised Poole that we were not prepared to re-arrange; subsequently turned up at Poole with our squad ready to race as arranged; as advised by the SCB. I'm sure that the local (national?) media would have loved the story. If they didn't proceed with the fixture then, possibly with the media attention, it would have forced the arm of the numpties in Rugby to have done something. They could hardly have then contradicted their own advice; so they would have had to take action such as awarding Lakeside the points; or deducting points from Poole for non-fulfilment of a fixture. Without the subsequent win over us (when their team was back to full strength) it would have been impossible for Poole to get into the playoffs by the cut-off - justice done.

 

I am not jealous of success - just how it is achieved. I despise an "I'm alright Jack, sod the rest" attitude in any form (hence the reason I despise Cameron & Co. and their despicable supporters) - because I abhor lying, cheating and selfishness. And for people to say that Fraud simply manipulates rules - they must truly be living in their own little Utopian Bubble.

 

So, it's OK for people to say other promoters should follow the 'Poole Business Model' and 'do as Matt does'. But at the end of the day we surely aren't delusional enough to not believe that this would require significant financial input that, I would imagine, the vast majority of promoters just do not have at their disposal.

 

At the end of the day, if people truly think what Poole continually do is helping speedway at Elite League level, then I just give up. There seriously is no point in debate.

Edited April 10, 2016 by The Voice Of Reason

[Gavan]

Why don't other clubs pull the same strokes as Fraud?

 

Very often I'd imagine that this boils down to one thing - money.

 

You only have to see the team Poole assemble; or the sudden appearance of grinning boy the other year, to get the idea that this bloke is minted. It's also apparent that he has a 'win at all costs' mentality because he's probably always been brought up by Mummy & Daddy to be a spoilt brat. "What Matthew wants, Matthew shall have". Proof indeed subsequently evident by his pathetic, childish, poor-loser mentality when Coventry pipped them to the title.

 

It broke my heart the other year when Cook basically allowed him to get away with cancelling a meeting with Lakeside; despite Poole having a team, and being advised by the SCB to fulfill the fixture. He called it off 'in the interests of (Poole) speedway' and our promotion rolled over and had their tummies tickled. That subsequent 3 points, achieved in the re-arranged fixture, basically gave Poole their (4th) place in the play-offs and they won the league yet again. Cook's defence was "what could we have done when Poole called off the meeting"? My argument was to have advised Poole that we were not prepared to re-arrange; subsequently turned up at Poole with our squad ready to race as arranged; as advised by the SCB. I'm sure that the local (national?) media would have loved the story. If they didn't proceed with the fixture then, possibly with the media attention, it would have forced the arm of the numpties in a Rugby to have done something. They could hardly have then contradicted their own advice; so they would have had to take action such as awarding Lakeside the points; or deducting posts from Poole for non-fulfilment of a fixture. Without the subsequent win over us (when their team was back to full strength) it would have been impossible for Poole to get into the playoffs by the cut-off - justice done.

 

I am not jealous of success - just how it is achieved. I despise an "I'm alright Jack, sod the rest" attitude in any form (hence the reason I despise Cameron & Co. and their despicable supporters) - because I abhor lying, cheating and selfishness. And for people to say that Fraud simply manipulates rules - they must truly be living in their own little Utopian Bubble.

 

So, it's OK for people to say other promoters should follow the 'Poole Business Model' and 'do as Matt does'. But at the end of the day we surely aren't delusional enough to not believe that this would require significant financial input that, I would imagine, the vast majority of promoters just do not have at their disposal.

 

At the end of the day, if people truly think what Poole continually do is helping speedway at Elite League level, then I just give up. There seriously is no point in debate.

well said but you will get the usual uprising in Dorset ready to burn you in hell for daring to criticise.

 

If you go back over the controversial moments in Elite league history then i would guess the vast majority would include Poole.

 

Cancelling the Lakeside fixture

The farce in the rain against Belle Vue

Going to Eastbourne and finding out all the Poles couldnt ride through mystery illness or injury thus tracking track specialists as guests, then those riders suddenly fine to ride the day after.

Darcy Ward staying down to get a re-run in a live sky match last heat (cant remember the opposition) and the fans then having the audacity a week later to accuse Kildemand of the same and saying Wards was different.

 

Im sure there are more.

 

Then you get the head in the sand fans who say its jealousy lol. No its not people just want fairness, last year Poole won fair and square no issues.

 

The club at times is just to precious which stems from the management through to the fans. Middlo has shown he is a bit of a buffoon on social media getitng involved in arguments when he doesnt like what is aimed at him. You then get that going through to some , not all, supporters on here, who then just resort to abuse or not having the ability to debate. The Kyle Newman thread is a point in question. Myself and a couple of Poole fans disagree (chris4gillian , lisa-collete) for example but at least those guys and a few others dont resort to petty pathetic arguments.

[Woz01]

Let's be honest Coventry had a promoter that could compete with Poole but he was soon moved aside. How dare he ask for change within the bspa? I do wonder if the sport would be in a better place if it happened. The bspa now seem to vote in rules that obviously benefit Poole above their own clubs, that's not Poole's fault but I do wonder why it happens? Makes no sense to me.

[Grachan]

People say that the rules are there to benefit Poole.

 

Interested to know which rules are voted in that benefit Poole and how Poole benefit from them.

 

Perhaps someone could list these.

[LisaColette]

Well someone said yesterday that Ford, Cook and CVS voted the same for rules (helped each other out). So they would need at least one more and I would guess it being Swindon based on that they use more of our assets than any other club.

[orion]

People say that the rules are there to benefit Poole.

 

Interested to know which rules are voted in that benefit Poole and how Poole benefit from them.

 

Perhaps someone could list these.

Well the draft for a start ....how pl averages are used rather than the el ones how riders are somehow seeded so somehow Poole get a better pick in the second round ,..lets be honest if Poole never had newman as a protected asset in the draft in the first place we would never have used the draft system .

 

Going back in time you only to look at those rules that they brought in to destroyed Cov and Benefit Poole that season to see what was going on .

Edited April 10, 2016 by orion

[damosuzuki]

Glad Poole are successful off the track, long may it continue - but hopefully they don't win the league this year. I get the impression Ford would rather shut down every club in the league before letting them beat him, which is a pathetic mentality. We've seen what this attitude produces with Rangers/Celtic in Scottish football.

[Crazy robin]

If they all voted against him then he wouldn't get things he wanted, would he? Surely pretty simple?

The fact that he had riders on loan at a few of the other 7 teams might help those promotors to stay on side with him.

 

That seems silly though as the riders wouldn't be happy if they were not allowed to ride at others clubs if not in the Poole side.

[Starman2006]

Matt is a great business man, shame he can not show a little bit of good will and compassion towards ALL of the other clubs, because without them he would not have a business.

And as Matt rightly said, some of you have made rods for your own backs. You have nobody else to blame but yourselves.

[Mike.Butler]

at end of day it will be his crowd figures that determine his approach. All the time they are winning easily at home and they stay healthy why change? If fans start to get bored of runaway wins and vote with their feet that will be the moment he will have to think of other clubs. Of course if the EL drops to 7 that will be another matter altogeteher. I can't see a PL club coming up under the same terms as the last amalgamation when they were screwed. Leicester's folly all to obvious...can't see them having many local derbies next season!

Edited April 10, 2016 by Mike.Butler

[LisaColette]

Glad Poole are successful off the track, long may it continue - but hopefully they don't win the league this year. I get the impression Ford would rather shut down every club in the league before letting them beat him, which is a pathetic mentality. We've seen what this attitude produces with Rangers/Celtic in Scottish football.

I don't think he wants to shut down every club, that's a bit silly!

[Red Panda]

Glad Poole are successful off the track, long may it continue - but hopefully they don't win the league this year. I get the impression Ford would rather shut down every club in the league before letting them beat him, which is a pathetic mentality. We've seen what this attitude produces with Rangers/Celtic in Scottish football.

Why would he want to see every club shut down...........that is not what the article says at all.............what he is saying is basically that the clubs start on a level playing field yet some are better managed and put together better teams than others................

 

RP

[Woz01]

Well someone said yesterday that Ford, Cook and CVS voted the same for rules (helped each other out). So they would need at least one more and I would guess it being Swindon based on that they use more of our assets than any other club.

I got the impression during the winter Coventry wasn't one of them.

Edited April 10, 2016 by woz01

[Grachan]

Well the draft for a start ....how pl averages are used rather than the el ones how riders are somehow seeded so somehow Poole get a better pick in the second round ,..lets be honest if Poole never had newman as a protected asset in the draft in the first place we would never have used the draft system .

 

Going back in time you only to look at those rules that they brought in to destroyed Cov and Benefit Poole that season to see what was going on .

Draft riders didn't get an EL average so how could they use EL averages? That was decided at the start so it wasn't done to benefit Poole.

 

Using assets is fair enough. Encourages clubs to sign.

 

If riders using assets get a high pick in the second stage then that, maybe, is one that would benefit clubs who use their own assets, but what's to stop all other clubs doing it?

[damosuzuki]

Why would he want to see every club shut down...........that is not what the article says at all.............what he is saying is basically that the clubs start on a level playing field yet some are better managed and put together better teams than others................

 

RP

 

 

That's not what I meant - I'm saying that faced with the choice of what's good for the league as a whole,the other clubs OR Poole winning - I believe Ford is unable to put the common good above self interest. It's understandable for a sports team and it's the winning mentality, BUT it can't be allowed to dominate the thinking at the top table. The rest of the clubs need to vote in something that will specifically disadvantage the big,money teams and the big money teams need to accept it. Realistically Poole / Belle Vue are going to be near the top every year and that's right and proper, but the whole point in Speedway averages is to try and level the playing field. If you look at this years EL it's anything but - so it isn' tworking imo.

 

I've always thought, I might not fancy Ford much as a personality,but any supporter - me included - would surely love him as their promoter.

 

Edited to add. I do not believe the EL will continue with it's current 8 teams next year.

Edited April 10, 2016 by damosuzuki

[orion]

Draft riders didn't get an EL average so how could they use EL averages? That was decided at the start so it wasn't done to benefit Poole.

 

Using assets is fair enough. Encourages clubs to sign.

 

If riders using assets get a high pick in the second stage then that, maybe, is one that would benefit clubs who use their own assets, but what's to stop all other clubs doing it?

Using assets is not fair enough it's stupid and makes a mockery of any draft system picks ..as I said no Newman as a protected Asset then no draft system to start with ....there is no way we would be having this system if Poole were going to get the rough end and each year silly things like seeded riders etc are added to keep it that way .

 

Next your be telling me those Rules that destroyed cov tem building plans that year were just brought in by chance

Edited April 10, 2016 by orion

[Grachan]

Using assets is not fair enough it's stupid and makes a mockery of any draft system picks ..as I said no Newman as a protected Asset then no draft system to start with ....there is no way we would be having this system if Poole were going to get the rough end and each year silly things2 like seeded riders etc are added to keep it that way .

 

Next your be telling me those Rules that destroyed cov tem building plans that year were just brought in by chance

Not necessarily.

 

Just saying that as people are saying rules have been brought in to benefit Poole it would be nice to be provided with details of the actual rules and how they benefited Poole.

 

Then the claims would have some foundation.

[Humphrey Appleby]

Pretty arrogant and disgraceful attitude that came over in the interview. There are undoubtedly better promoters than others, but some also have geographical and economic disadvantages.

 

All promoters are ultimately reliant on each other to make for a viable competition. Even more so when speedway is at death's door, particularly the Elite League.

 

If Ford hadn't worked this out after years of promoting, then you really have to despair for the future of the sport.