Daniel Smith Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 I thought this scheme is about allowing the better reserves the chance to test themselves against better riders?! As soon as it happens everyone is up in arms that its wrong. If the EDR can't hack it then it could only be for 2 weeks until the averages are adjusted again. Nobody has a problem with that at all. The problem is the format & the fact that the likes of Klindt will be in reserve, taking possibly 7 riders and likely taking a ride away from the promoted reserve and have 2 reserve heats. That's the problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 I thought this scheme is about allowing the better reserves the chance to test themselves against better riders?! As soon as it happens everyone is up in arms that its wrong. If the EDR can't hack it then it could only be for 2 weeks until the averages are adjusted again. As many contributors have said (perhaps you should try reading them), it's the not the moving up, into the team that's the problem, it's the retention of the protected heats meeting format that's the problem since it will give the FTRs false averages and then trap some of them (for only a while thankfully) in a heat-leader role where the easiest rides they will get will be against second strings, several of whom will be heat leaders on equally false averages, and face often two opposing heat leaders in a race. The whole point of the protected heats format was to protect - to prevent FTRs from facing heat leaders. You cannot have vital team positions determined by totally false averages. The protected heat formula should have been dropped the moment it was decided to let FTRs rise out of the reserve berths. It is emphatically NOT about riders being given the chance to progress - it's about doing it in a sane and fair way, not that sane and fair exist in your part of the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewer Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 (edited) Will the belle vue reserves ever be able to move up. Just can't see them getting their two home matches in😀 Edited April 19, 2016 by brewer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 Strange that its only a few 'fans' that are complaining!! The riders themselves now seem perfectly ok with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poole keith Posted April 19, 2016 Report Share Posted April 19, 2016 its all bit of a mess,and will create more problems for next season,but at the end of the day thems the rules for this season so promoters and team managers have got to get on with it,and somebody will be top and somebody will finish bottom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 its all bit of a mess,and will create more problems for next season,but at the end of the day thems the rules for this season so promoters and team managers have got to get on with it,and somebody will be top and somebody will finish bottom. They could change it if they wanted to... F1 introduced a new qualifying process at the GP's, it didn't work so they changed it back sharpish!. Where there's a Will, there's a way!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 Strange that its only a few 'fans' that are complaining!! The riders themselves now seem perfectly ok with it. Odd how so few are actually defending it. Oh, and after 45 years of involvement in the sport as a supporter, official and broadcaster I don't need to justify the label 'fan'. It is an indefensible situation. I can only guess that your lack of concern must be due to it favouring Poole in some way. If there is a lack of concern in the 'official;' world that you obviously believe to inhabit then that is no surprise. If they're stupid enough to let the situation happen they're hardly likely to be able to see the result! Time will tell, especially after we see FTRs hopelessly out of their depth in all heat-leader races. Oh, I forget, Poole rigged the FTR system so they got two riders who will be able to cope with this ridiculous situation. Complacency rules on the south coast, but then you're alright, sod the rest of the sport eh? You'll be running out of opponents soon enough given the state of the EL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 (edited) EDRs still have to win the races - against other EDRs and 2nd strings - to get their increased averages. They will only go up if someone in the 1-5 is underperforming, protected heats or not, and gets a lower average. You can put that down to so-called 'rigging' or simply selecting a 1-7 that at the moment is more than holding its own against the others - despite losing its only away meeting to date.. Whatever the pros and cons - its the same for everyone and is certainly more likely to favour Leicester and Swindon in the short term. As you are so anti- the EL, but still consider yourself a 'fan', I'm surprised you continue to be so interested in what the EL does? Edited April 20, 2016 by Skidder1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 EDRs still have to win the races - against other EDRs and 2nd strings - to get their increased averages. They will only go up if someone in the 1-5 is underperforming, protected heats or not, and gets a lower average. You can put that down to so-called 'rigging' or simply selecting a 1-7 that at the moment is more than holding its own against the others - despite losing its only away meeting to date.. Whatever the pros and cons - its the same for everyone and is certainly more likely to favour Leicester and Swindon in the short term. As you are so anti- the EL, but still consider yourself a 'fan', I'm surprised you continue to be so interested in what the EL does? How on earth does it favour Swindon?. The way I see it we've lost one of the only 2 riders who are real racers & one who was capable of having 7 rides to give us half a chance of not getting hammered. We've in turn now got a journeyman Premier League foreigner who can only ride on slick tracks. The reserves should only have been able to move up to 2nd string regardless of their FALSE average they've attained. Good luck to Charles & any other rider who moves up & probably loses one of his rides to the foreigner who has now dropped to reserve. To think that they think fans think they thought this through is a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted April 20, 2016 Report Share Posted April 20, 2016 (edited) How on earth does it favour Swindon?. The way I see it we've lost one of the only 2 riders who are real racers & one who was capable of having 7 rides to give us half a chance of not getting hammered. We've in turn now got a journeyman Premier League foreigner who can only ride on slick tracks. The reserves should only have been able to move up to 2nd string regardless of their FALSE average they've attained. Good luck to Charles & any other rider who moves up & probably loses one of his rides to the foreigner who has now dropped to reserve. To think that they think fans think they thought this through is a joke. Too much thinking there Edited April 20, 2016 by Steve0 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunRobin Posted April 21, 2016 Report Share Posted April 21, 2016 This EDR system is a nightmare this season. It has not been thought out properly. Now Adam Ellis will be riding at the no' 1 spot for Poole from next week, Kurtz into the reserves with Watt & Buczkowski at 2 & 4. With Poole already dominant this season, you might as well give them the trophy now & restart the season with a sensible set of rules. Not Poole's fault but of pure BSPA inability to think things through! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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