stevebrum Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 People seem to be forgetting that averages will change/be updated every 2 weeks through the season. If Kyle Newman does finish on an 8 point average then he will be worth a top 5 place the following year (and another top 5 rider may well be on a steal of an average for 2017) Not a cat in hell chance that Poole or anyone would use Kyle on an 8 point average. I'd put my house on it AND I'm not a betting man! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 I could see the EDR scrapped in favour of a rule stating two Brits at 6 & 7 with all current EDR riders coming into the EL on converted PL averages. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 If Newman finishes with an 8 average that's his EL career fooked in an instant as no club will touch him, including Poole He won't manage that in the top 5, will he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daytripper Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Because they are not smart enough.. such a system should have been in place from day (for all riders not justcreserves) of tye new heat format. SCB for example worked out a weighting system to do this. Anyone with a brain and rudimentary maths understanding could do it, sadly through bspa appear mot to have anyone who meet that criteria. Â I presume you didnt read Gordon Pairman's detailed post explaining why the SCB's method wasn't used and the reasoning behind the conclusions they came to. You might not agree with what he said, and there might well be worthy and constructive criticisms of his comments that could be made but brainless it wasn't and of all the people in speedway his understanding of maths, as a very successful accountant, is something more than rudimentary, and I am not speaking as either a Poole fan or a Gordon Pair man fan, simply pointing out a few facts. Â Its always a good idea to check out what people have said before you call them brainless. Constructive criticism is good for debate. Name calling isn't. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 People seem to be forgetting that averages will change/be updated every 2 weeks through the season. If Kyle Newman does finish on an 8 point average then he will be worth a top 5 place the following year (and another top 5 rider may well be on a steal of an average for 2017) If Kyle Newman finishes on an 8 point average we will not see him in the elite league next year as nobody would touch him with a bargepole 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 (edited) Newman wont finish on an 8 point average, he averaged around 7 last season being in a reserve spot all year. Edited April 11, 2016 by woz01 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Newman wont finish on an 8 point average, he averaged around 7 last season being in a reserve spot all year. Correct and yet averaging 7 from reserve in 2015 he can still ride there again in 2016!!!!! Shows how daft our system is basically Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poole keith Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 shows how "daft" cov were not to have jason garrity at reserve,sorry wrong there ,not daft,-------really really really daft mr horton 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 As a supporter of Leicester, I can't honestly say our admittedly strong reserve pairing have helped us have a change in fortune.  We still lose matches. Alot  They lose because they have a dreadfully weak team. Leicester were only thrashed at home to Lakeside, without their reserves they would have received a spanking of mega epic proportions. At Coventry they nearly won - without Auty/Starke they wouldn't have got close let alone been level after 12 heats.  Leicester's good reserves don't compensate for the weakness in the top five because it is so completely woeful.  However Leicester did very badly out of the fast track/EDR system the two previous years so deserve a bit of luck on that front.  Good though the Auty/Starke pairing is, doesn't make up for the serious deficiencies elsewhere in the team, but they certainly help to reduce their impact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 If Auty or Starke, or both get Knocks, we're really stuffed down the drain and a hard place!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted April 12, 2016 Report Share Posted April 12, 2016 Â I presume you didnt read Gordon Pairman's detailed post explaining why the SCB's method wasn't used and the reasoning behind the conclusions they came to. You might not agree with what he said, and there might well be worthy and constructive criticisms of his comments that could be made but brainless it wasn't and of all the people in speedway his understanding of maths, as a very successful accountant, is something more than rudimentary, and I am not speaking as either a Poole fan or a Gordon Pair man fan, simply pointing out a few facts. Â Its always a good idea to check out what people have said before you call them brainless. Constructive criticism is good for debate. Name calling isn't. I did read his post, and frankly thought it nonsense. I politely asked him a number of questions in response, and received no reply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted April 12, 2016 Report Share Posted April 12, 2016 If Newman finishes with an 8 average that's his EL career fooked in an instant as no club will touch him, including Poole Unless of course his PL average is used ... Â (Again)! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted April 12, 2016 Report Share Posted April 12, 2016 (edited) shows how "daft" cov were not to have jason garrity at reserve,sorry wrong there ,not daft,-------really really really daft mr horton You do realise it was upto Garrity? They tried to persuade him but when more than one club wants him it was impossible to change his mind. All about the £££ Edited April 12, 2016 by woz01 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted April 12, 2016 Report Share Posted April 12, 2016 (edited) Not a cat in hell chance that Poole or anyone would use Kyle on an 8 point average. I'd put my house on it AND I'm not a betting man! Â What I meant to say was if Newman, (or Auty or Howarth) finishes on an 8 point average (or 6 or 7 points for that matter) AND finishes in the 1-5, then he will have earned that average by riding and beating other heat leaders and therefore be worth a 1-5 place in 2017!! Â After all its about developing and improving British talent, isn't it?! Edited April 12, 2016 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ytsejam Posted April 12, 2016 Report Share Posted April 12, 2016 Â What I meant to say was if Newman, (or Auty or Howarth) finishes on an 8 point average (or 6 or 7 points for that matter) AND finishes in the 1-5, then he will have earned that average by riding and beating other heat leaders and therefore be worth a 1-5 place in 2017!! Â After all its about developing and improving British talent, isn't it?! Â Uhmmm...when you see 35 year olds at reserve (Wilkinson at Lynn) then I think that the BSPA's "illusion/intention" with this idea really is seriously exposed for what it really is!....an utter farce!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted April 12, 2016 Report Share Posted April 12, 2016 Correct and yet averaging 7 from reserve in 2015 he can still ride there again in 2016!!!!! Shows how daft our system is basically  yes but as a draft rider most of his races were agaonst fellow draft riders, newman being one if not he best draft rider was always going to do well the issue with his average , its inflated......therefore riding against 1-5 riders it simply would be false....so what did bspa do...use PL converted averages which put newman down to number 6 in the draft when he should of been rated number 1 ...they should of used the inflated EL averages and converted from those not from a different league riding against different riders in differing team positions - ludicrous....some of the EL draft riders were riding at reserve in PL and some rode in the 1-5 , those that rode in 1-5 would have a lower converted PL average than those that rode at reserve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted April 12, 2016 Report Share Posted April 12, 2016 (edited) What I meant to say was if Newman, (or Auty or Howarth) finishes on an 8 point average (or 6 or 7 points for that matter) AND finishes in the 1-5, then he will have earned that average by riding and beating other heat leaders and therefore be worth a 1-5 place in 2017!! Â After all its about developing and improving British talent, isn't it?! It will be earned by spending a chunk of that in reserve.Do you seriously believe MF will use him as a heat leader next season even if he reaches an average of 8 next season?? Â Developing British talent YES, MF (or any EL promoter) using Kyle as a heat leader next year? ? ZERO CHANCE! ! Edited April 12, 2016 by stevebrum 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted April 12, 2016 Report Share Posted April 12, 2016 It will be earned by spending a chunk of that in reserve. Do you seriously believe MF will use him as a heat leader next season even if he reaches an average of 8 next season?? Â Developing British talent YES, MF (or any EL promoter) using Kyle as a heat leader next year? ? ZERO CHANCE! ! correct..... Â id say he'd have to go at number 2 on assessed 5 average...that would probably be fair imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reviresco Posted April 12, 2016 Report Share Posted April 12, 2016 correct.....  id say he'd have to go at number 2 on assessed 5 average...that would probably be fair imo  Or a 2017 EL assessed MA converted from his 2016 PL MA... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted April 12, 2016 Report Share Posted April 12, 2016 Â Or a 2017 EL assessed MA converted from his 2016 PL MA... whichevers lowest of course 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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