Starman2006 Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 (edited) He was lucky he didnt die at newcastle one year after severing an artery...seeing them raking his blood off the track makes me think different, hes had some very nasty ones tbf. Thank you. so yet again you fail to answer the questions? Injury does stop progress but you can hardly say his injurys have been severe. He is at his level decent reserve and that's it WHAT, you are a very sad delude person, the serious injury at Newcastle like Arson said could have easily killed him, the SERIOUS groin problem this season could so easily have killed him. That proves to me and many others on here that you are totally clueless, and your hate of anything Poole yet again raises its ugly head. Go away. Edited June 28, 2016 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 He was lucky he didnt die at newcastle one year after severing an artery...seeing them raking his blood off the track makes me think different, hes had some very nasty ones tbf. Thank you. WHAT, you are a very sad delude person, the serious injury at Newcastle like Arson said could have easily killed him, the SERIOUS groin problem this season could so easily have killed him. That proves to me and many others on here that you are totally clueless, and your hate of anything Poole yet again raises its ugly head. Go away. ive never said Kyle hasn't had a serious injury. What you are clearly missing as always Starman is the whole point of the debate. Bless you it's not your fault I guess because you never answer any question that is out to you! Quite simply I will ask you both again and lets see if you can answer them. Is Kyle Newman improving? Is he better than Garrity or Worrall? Those little hook like symbols are question marks it means you have to answer them! He has had some shocking injuries we know that and that may have held him back but I say to you again that that is not what is being debated!!! I'm sure yet again you will say its Poole bashing but you have conveniently chose to ignore the praise I gave Adam Ellis and the fact that I insisted Kyle was a good young rider. But your answers to everything when you don't have the intellect to debate is the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 (edited) And in that 6 years, how many times has Kyle had to spend on the sidelines ? Injury stunts progress even you should know that. Oh and in 0-14 Kyle picked up the ride of the year trophy, not bad for a reserve eh..I was talking about in the last 2 years there has been not a lot of progression and in that time he hasn't had a huge amount of injuries, no more than Garrity, Auty or Howarth And in that 6 years, how many times has Kyle had to spend on the sidelines ? Injury stunts progress even you should know that. Oh and in 0-14 Kyle picked up the ride of the year trophy, not bad for a reserve eh..I was talking about in the last 2 years there has been not a lot of progression and in that time he hasn't had a huge amount of injuries, no more than Garrity, Auty or Howarth Reserves do get awards. Garrity was Coventry's rider of the year in 2014 & 2015 as well as the riders rider of the year. Our current reserve Bates was Sheffield's rider of the year. Nobody is disputing that Newman has been a good reserve over the last few years, the point they are making is that he is still just a good reserve. He hasn't progressed in to a rider good enough for the main team and in the last 2 years in the PL he has stood still. By now he should be in the main team scoring more than his average and be a comfortable heatleader in the PL but he's not. If the rule next year was riders who had been on the draft for 3 years had to come off, would Middlo risk him in the main team over riders like Kurtz & J Holder. The answer is no Edited June 29, 2016 by mdmc82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 ive never said Kyle hasn't had a serious injury. What you are clearly missing as always Starman is the whole point of the debate. Bless you it's not your fault I guess because you never answer any question that is out to you! Quite simply I will ask you both again and lets see if you can answer them. Is Kyle Newman improving? Is he better than Garrity or Worrall? Those little hook like symbols are question marks it means you have to answer them! He has had some shocking injuries we know that and that may have held him back but I say to you again that that is not what is being debated!!! I'm sure yet again you will say its Poole bashing but you have conveniently chose to ignore the praise I gave Adam Ellis and the fact that I insisted Kyle was a good young rider. But your answers to everything when you don't have the intellect to debate is the sameTbh you said Kyle injuries had hardly been severe and Starman pulled you up on it. So in this instance he was right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 Tbh you said Kyle injuries had hardly been severe and Starman pulled you up on it. So in this instance he was right.we are talking about his progress in the last couple of years, that accident was a while back. I'm sick of the village idiot not being able to have a discussion! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 (edited) Kyle Is a nice guy and very popular at Poole but it is my opinion that he isn't and will not be able to progress any further than he is now, he is a decent rider and while his injuries may have impeded his career to a degree he will not improve enough to be a EL heat leader, as Gavan has said he isn't even a number one in the PL and he has ridden in that league a long time. He may not even have a team place at Poole if it wasn't for the draft system, Coventry fans used to say Rory Schlein would be as good as Leigh Adams if it wasn't for his injuries! Edited June 29, 2016 by foreverblue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 Kyle Is a nice guy and very popular at Poole but it is my opinion that he isn't and will not be able to progress any further than he is now, he is a decent rider and while his injuries may have impeded his career to a degree he will not improve enough to be a EL heat leader, as Gavan has said he isn't even a number one in the PL and he has ridden in that league a long time. He may not even have a team place at Poole if it wasn't for the draft system, Coventry fans used to say Rory Schlein would be as good as Leigh Adams if it wasn't for his injuries! Thank you for being a sensible Poole fan who can actually think outside of his own club. I apologise for the tone of some of my posts but they are aimed at your fool of your club not the decent Poole fans. Speedway fans can all see the truth that Newman is a very good young rider that hasnt progressed the way it was expected. Injuries have played a part but only a small part Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 It only opinion & mine is Garrity & S. Worrall are miles ahead of Newman right now but there's nothing to suggest things can't change. PL averages I'd tend to ignore simply because Newman may be purposely keeping his average low because it's serving a purpose. The last 2-3 years his PL average has served him & Poole very well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 It only opinion & mine is Garrity & S. Worrall are miles ahead of Newman right now but there's nothing to suggest things can't change. PL averages I'd tend to ignore simply because Newman may be purposely keeping his average low because it's serving a purpose. The last 2-3 years his PL average has served him & Poole very well. if your right just goes to show the fiddles and corruption in the elite lge why do they continally use PL averages for the EL? even when riders have been riding EL for over 5 yrs its a joke just another loophole for promoters to use , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4gillian Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 Kyle Is a nice guy and very popular at Poole but it is my opinion that he isn't and will not be able to progress any further than he is now, he is a decent rider and while his injuries may have impeded his career to a degree he will not improve enough to be a EL heat leader, as Gavan has said he isn't even a number one in the PL and he has ridden in that league a long time. He may not even have a team place at Poole if it wasn't for the draft system, Coventry fans used to say Rory Schlein would be as good as Leigh Adams if it wasn't for his injuries! I have said previously that I think that Kyle is a better rider than Garrity and in some ways he is (smoother style, better control etc.), however I do tend to agree with most of what you've written there fb. I also agree with starman ( wonders will never cease!) that injuries have played a part in stemming Kyle's progress. Kyle loves riding for Poole and we as supporters love watching him as he is one committed lad, however has he reached his ability limit? Quite possibly. Garrity has definitely progressed more in the last couple of years, however it's taken him that long to 'overtake' Kyle who has had to deal with some nasty injuries during the same period. I also agree with Shovlar that Garrity will have a big accident of his own making at some point. Personally I would still prefer to have Kyle than Garrity at Poole, but that's my own personal opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 I have said previously that I think that Kyle is a better rider than Garrity and in some ways he is (smoother style, better control etc.), however I do tend to agree with most of what you've written there fb. I also agree with starman ( wonders will never cease!) that injuries have played a part in stemming Kyle's progress. Kyle loves riding for Poole and we as supporters love watching him as he is one committed lad, however has he reached his ability limit? Quite possibly. Garrity has definitely progressed more in the last couple of years, however it's taken him that long to 'overtake' Kyle who has had to deal with some nasty injuries during the same period. I also agree with Shovlar that Garrity will have a big accident of his own making at some point. Personally I would still prefer to have Kyle than Garrity at Poole, but that's my own personal opinion. Fair comments as always. Just a shame some of your own fans cant debate properly. Kyle is a good young rider as ive said and despite other people thinking different its not a Poole thing You say you would prefer Kyle than Garrity but what if Kyle had to ride at 2 same as Jason? Personally i think Garrity would score a lot more but as you say Kyle is liked at Poole and that counts for an awful lot as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 Fair comments as always. Just a shame some of your own fans cant debate properly. Kyle is a good young rider as ive said and despite other people thinking different its not a Poole thing You say you would prefer Kyle than Garrity but what if Kyle had to ride at 2 same as Jason? Personally i think Garrity would score a lot more but as you say Kyle is liked at Poole and that counts for an awful lot as well Debate, you have no idea how to debate. Once you've been proved wrong you twist your words to suit yourself but thats no suprise for you, your like a little worm. Yes Kyle is very much liked at poole, and being in a sling really doesn't help his cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 Debate, you have no idea how to debate. Once you've been proved wrong you twist your words to suit yourself but thats no suprise for you, your like a little worm. Yes Kyle is very much liked at poole, and being in a sling really doesn't help his cause. Where have i twisted anything? Said Newman was a good little rider. Said i think Garrity is better Cant really see what ive twisted there Anyways if i want a debate i will chat to adult Poole fans like foreverblue and chris4gillian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 (edited) Where have i twisted anything? Said Newman was a good little rider. Said i think Garrity is better Cant really see what ive twisted there Anyways if i want a debate i will chat to adult Poole fans like foreverblue and chris4gillian You twist and turn your words to suit yourself. Now bugger off. Edited June 29, 2016 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 You twist and turn your words to suit yourself. Now bugger off. Provide me with the facts of me twisting my words please. As ive said all along Newman good little rider, not improving much more and isnt as good as Garrity. So if your so adamant ive twisted words then provide the evidence please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 Provide me with the facts of me twisting my words please. As ive said all along Newman good little rider, not improving much more and isnt as good as Garrity. So if your so adamant ive twisted words then provide the evidence please. Surely your not that stupid... Oh hang on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4gillian Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 Fair comments as always. Just a shame some of your own fans cant debate properly. Kyle is a good young rider as ive said and despite other people thinking different its not a Poole thing You say you would prefer Kyle than Garrity but what if Kyle had to ride at 2 same as Jason? Personally i think Garrity would score a lot more but as you say Kyle is liked at Poole and that counts for an awful lot as well If Kyle had to start and stay at No. 2 then I'd reserve judgement until after say 6 or 7 meetings. If he's struggling then he would have to make way. That's the Poole way and we as Poole supporters deal with it. Kyle is very well liked at Poole and that's due to being a local lad and he's some one that desperately wants to ride for Poole. Passion like that doesn't always come around in speedway. As you say, that counts for a hell of a lot in the current EL. starman take note that Gavan and I are having a grown up discussion, no insults, no twisting words, no offensive language and no anti-Poole nonsense. That's the way to do it, so if you care to post a reply to Gavan in similar fashion you just might get a similar mannered response yourself 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 Heres oe for you. Head to head this year whats the score? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4gillian Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 Heres oe for you. Head to head this year whats the score? Does it matter? We all have our own opinions and mine is the same as yours but others isn't. Can't we just leave it there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted June 29, 2016 Report Share Posted June 29, 2016 (edited) Are you saying Steve Worrall is as good as Holder or Nicholls is better than Holder? Surprised you'd come up with a starmanesque point, you'll be saying how much wetter it is in Manchester next. Talking of which, why didn't starman and the 6 other prats put the covers on, is it because uncle Ronnie is busy in Glasgow? My post was meant light heartedly. I don't really care who thinks who is better. I would rather have Newman in my team than Garrity. Personal choice. Kyle has never let us down and always give 100%. Even if he is at the back(rarely) he is doing whatever he can to get a point. Can't ask any more than that and the reason he is so popular at Poole. Edit. As I asked I went and had a look. They have met 6 times this season in the EL and the score is Newman 4 Garrity 2. Edited June 29, 2016 by Steve Shovlar 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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