Gavan Posted June 27, 2016 Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 BSPA EL averages....Newman 6.00 (as a EDR and a Heat Leader) Garrity 5.16 (as a 2nd string) Next............!! Yep Newman been mopping up all season in reserve for the 6th year running and then spends a whole week at heat leader and is just marginally ahead of Garrity. So thank you for proving the point that Garrity is the better rider. Oh and check out the premier league if you need any more evidence Garrity is an accident waiting on a bike over riding. One ride away from a big smash. It will happen soon enough sorry to say. Has guts but looks awful on the bike and isnt smooth at all. Mark my words a prang will happen soon enough. Bit like Nicki Pedersen used to be, and currently a bit like Peter Kildemand. I guess Newman is better than them as well because 'they are an accident waiting to happen' . Your post is irrelevant as to who is the better rider. come back when Newman has made a few British Finals or got to Cardiff as reserve or averages over 6 from second string or is a premier league heat leader. Until he does all of those isn't as good as Garrity. More stylish doesn't make you the better rider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted June 27, 2016 Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 Yup, had a big one tonight at Leicester, got hooked up with Paul Starke, both ended in the fist bend fence, Garritys bike flew into the air, and just missed Garrity on its re-entry, bounced again before falling on him... Down a good while, trashed his lid, withdrew from remainder of the meeting.... Paul Starke seemed ok... Hope he is OK. But there you go it proves my case. Fast bikes with not enough talent to ride them properly. Always will be an accident waiting to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted June 27, 2016 Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 Garrity is an accident waiting on a bike over riding. One ride away from a big smash. It will happen soon enough sorry to say. Has guts but looks awful on the bike and isnt smooth at all. Mark my words a prang will happen soon enough. Which is odd. Because Newman has missed more meetings due to injury/illness than Jason has in the last 3 seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted June 27, 2016 Report Share Posted June 27, 2016 Which is odd. Because Newman has missed more meetings due to injury/illness than Jason has in the last 3 seasons. Hardly his fault he is currently out. And his illness this year was just plain unfortunate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 (edited) Hardly his fault he is currently out. And his illness this year was just plain unfortunate.Hardly Garrity's fault that he had mechanical problems during that race in the British Final that caused his crash and injured his arm. Regardless of who has come off the most and yes they both have had injuries, if you take off the Poole tinted glasses, can you honestly say at this point in time in PL & EL Newman is going better than Garrity? Newman has hardly beaten anybody of note this season (even our reserves beat him). With the exception of draft riders, Newman has beaten only (H)Lawson,Morris (A) Lawson,Josh.G Whilst so far this season Garrity has beaten (H) Doyle, Andersen, Cook, Nicholls, R Worrall, Bridger, Bech, Kylmakorpi, Josh.G, Buzz, Thorsell, Masters, (A) Kurtz, Buzz, Cook, Nicholls, Karlsson, Kylmakorpi, Masters, Summers As for PL, I think the averages speak for themselves. Newman's 2014 end average was 6.51, two years on and it's now 6.76 and he's a 2nd string. That's hardly any progression in almost 2 years. Garrity's 2014 average was 6.75 however his average is now 8.44 and he rides as a heatleader. Edited June 28, 2016 by mdmc82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 Why do we always compare Newman and Garrity, it's stupid tbh. Now how about comparing the Poole and Coventry teams and see how we get on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 Why do we always compare Newman and Garrity, it's stupid tbh. Now how about comparing the Poole and Coventry teams and see how we get on. I agree that they should no longer be compared. Newman should now be compared with other reserves like Worrall, Wright, Ellis, Starke, Auty Even of that list I wouldn't say Newman is the strongest anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 I agree that they should no longer be compared. Newman should now be compared with other reserves like Worrall, Wright, Ellis, Starke, Auty Even of that list I wouldn't say Newman is the strongest anymore. Every rider has a bad season, I'm not sure what is with the obsession with going on about Newman's day and night is?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 Who cares. Stevie Worrall is better than both Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 i think newman is the one thats gone backwards this year people were expecting him to clean up at reserve and he's been totlly outshone by ellis , an NL rider last yr 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 i think newman is the one thats gone backwards this year people were expecting him to clean up at reserve and he's been totlly outshone by ellis , an NL rider last yr He hasnt so much gone backwards as simply stood still. In the premier league he has dropped to a second string and in the elite league he has seen riders like Garitty and Worrall leave him behind and riders like Ellis and Starke improve up to and possibly past his level. It tells a tell that for 6 seasons now Newman has been a reserve in a league that is getting weaker each season, so you would have expected him to have move on by now. Good little rider but never going to amount to being any better than he is now really 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weatherwatcher Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 I had big hopes for him when he first started to race, he looked like a rider who would make the top flight of riders in a couple or so seasons, but I am afraid that he has just stagnated, at best he will just be a reserve who can win meetings for Poole, unless it puts in a lot more effort and gets far better than he is now. Not sure if he has it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 i also thought the same.... but here we are 6 yrs later and he has stagnated , not improved as expected poole thou are quite happy for him to stay as a strong reserve , maybe he is too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 i also thought the same.... but here we are 6 yrs later and he has stagnated , not improved as expected poole thou are quite happy for him to stay as a strong reserve , maybe he is too I wonder if they will still stick with him next year if the draft gets scrapped and you don't have to have a Brit at reserve. Can't see them doing so when there are better riders out there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 (edited) I had big hopes for him when he first started to race, he looked like a rider who would make the top flight of riders in a couple or so seasons, but I am afraid that he has just stagnated, at best he will just be a reserve who can win meetings for Poole, unless it puts in a lot more effort and gets far better than he is now. Not sure if he has it though. And clearly you dont read threads either. I wonder if they will still stick with him next year if the draft gets scrapped and you don't have to have a Brit at reserve. Can't see them doing so when there are better riders out there Namely ? Which is odd. Because Newman has missed more meetings due to injury/illness than Jason has in the last 3 seasons. Tell GAVIN that, clearly he's missed it...The last groin injury could have killed him, but i suspect that has not occured to you Didnt Matt Ford say himself that he thinks Newman and Ellis will get into the top 5 during the season? Yep, baring injuries.. Edited June 28, 2016 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 And clearly you dont read threads either. Namely ? Tell GAVIN that, clearly he's missed that...The last groin injury could have killed him, but i suspect that has not occured to you Yep, baring injuries.. didnt think it would take long for you to pop and try and defend something that is impossible. Firstly Kyle Newman is a good little rider and a very good fast track reserve. Now lets look at some facts and lets see if you can answer each one. I will put them all in a line and then answer each one please. Kyle Newman has ridden at Poole for 6 seasons In all that time he has been as a reserve According to the Poole oracle Mr Shovlar Garrity is a liability Yet Newman has had more time out with injuries Jason Garrity has made numerous British Finals. Newman has made none Jason Garrity has been reserve at the Cardiff GP. Newman not even close Jason Garrity is a premier league heat leader. Newman isn't. Jason Garrity is holding down second string position in the elite league. Kyle Newman isn't. Steve Worrall is now British Number 4. Kyle Newman isnt Steve Worrall is holding down a place in an elite league top 5. Kyle Newman isn't Steve Worrall is a reserve at the Cardiff GP. Newman no chance Steve Worrall is a premier league heat leader. Newman isn't Adam Ellis is improving Paul Starke is improving. If you can find any good answer that Newman is as better than Garrity or Worrall I would like to hear it. If you say he is injured that's not a good argument, totally irrelevant. He has stood still and watched riders like Garrity and Worrall move away from him and I would say Ellis and Starke would be ahead of him if selecting English riders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 didnt think it would take long for you to pop and try and defend something that is impossible. Firstly Kyle Newman is a good little rider and a very good fast track reserve. Now lets look at some facts and lets see if you can answer each one. I will put them all in a line and then answer each one please. Kyle Newman has ridden at Poole for 6 seasons In all that time he has been as a reserve According to the Poole oracle Mr Shovlar Garrity is a liability Yet Newman has had more time out with injuries Jason Garrity has made numerous British Finals. Newman has made none Jason Garrity has been reserve at the Cardiff GP. Newman not even close Jason Garrity is a premier league heat leader. Newman isn't. Jason Garrity is holding down second string position in the elite league. Kyle Newman isn't. Steve Worrall is now British Number 4. Kyle Newman isnt Steve Worrall is holding down a place in an elite league top 5. Kyle Newman isn't Steve Worrall is a reserve at the Cardiff GP. Newman no chance Steve Worrall is a premier league heat leader. Newman isn't Adam Ellis is improving Paul Starke is improving. If you can find any good answer that Newman is as better than Garrity or Worrall I would like to hear it. If you say he is injured that's not a good argument, totally irrelevant. He has stood still and watched riders like Garrity and Worrall move away from him and I would say Ellis and Starke would be ahead of him if selecting English riders And in that 6 years, how many times has Kyle had to spend on the sidelines ? Injury stunts progress even you should know that. Oh and in 0-14 Kyle picked up the ride of the year trophy, not bad for a reserve eh.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game On Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 Hope he is OK. But there you go it proves my case. Fast bikes with not enough talent to ride them properly. Always will be an accident waiting to happen.. Same could be said about more experienced riders who are accidents waiting to happen or have happened as you well know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 And in that 6 years, how many times has Kyle had to spend on the sidelines ? Injury stunts progress even you should know that. Oh and in 0-14 Kyle picked up the ride of the year trophy, not bad for a reserve eh..so yet again you fail to answer the questions? Injury does stop progress but you can hardly say his injurys have been severe. He is at his level decent reserve and that's it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arson fire Posted June 28, 2016 Report Share Posted June 28, 2016 (edited) so yet again you fail to answer the questions? Injury does stop progress but you can hardly say his injurys have been severe. He is at his level decent reserve and that's itHe was lucky he didnt die at newcastle one year after severing an artery...seeing them raking his blood off the track makes me think different, hes had some very nasty ones tbf. Edited June 28, 2016 by Arson fire 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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