SCB Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 Maybe he could have done what Garrity did and moved up at the start of the season.Why? What does he gain doing that? What do Piole gain doing that? Are these 4 meetings Kyle gets in reserve now going to hold him back? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 Maybe he could have done what Garrity did and moved up at the start of the season.Hasn't done Coventry much good, has it??! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 Totally different issue. And certainly not Kyles fault. I was just using your post as the foundations for illustrating how strong Poole are, and who Kyle has to do better than to get into their 1-5, that's all, not a dig at your post SCB... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 Ambition and progress is not asking for something and being given it. It's wanting something and working for it, which is what Kyle is doing. Hes trying to get into the 1-5 with a team of very good riders. Meanwhile Garrity has been given the place but has 3 worse riders than him in the team so is likely to be in reserve. Doesn't make him better than Newman, just better than the other riders in the Bees team - others, weaker riders who are in the Bees team because Garrity wouldn't start in reserve. Jason has no proven anything or earned anything. And staying in the 1-5 of the Bees team will be nothing special, he'll just be staying ahead of two PL second strings. Meanwhile for Kyle to do it, with his lack of ambition, he has to get ahead of an Aussie Champion, a Polish SWC rider, a rider who finished top 3 of the season before lasts EL averages, a recent World Champion and someone who has been a heat leader in the EL for about 12 years! And Adam Ellis of course. Yeah, what a fool Newman is, trying to stay ahead of any 2 of that lot! If Garrity had started in reserve the Bees could have had Stead and Barker at 2 and 4 and THEN he would have show ambition if he'd fought to get ahead of them. But no. but its so very easy for a reserve like newman to get into the top 5 , a few scores of 8/9 which he will do this year with his goggles off will get him there....newmans average was in the reserve berth last year was around the 8 point mark, so you can see its easy gettin there as all of poole 1-5 wont average over 8 ...the problem is staying there as when newman goes up his scores with no doubt drop and the rider that went down to reserve will then be getting 10/11 or so and go straight back up , meaning newman could yoyo all season ...thats not progression its just the way the rules work out this year.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 DKyle would have probably have had a max tonight but lifted badly at the start of heat two and had to battle to get a point. After that he was excellent.he beat Lawson, Swiderski, Kerr and Mear. These are riders he quite possibly should be beating with ease at home after 6 years at his home track. He should be banging in maximums at home for fun until Belle Vue come to town. Good little rider but nothingore than that. He is beating a poor set of draft riders and in most teams cases second strings that should be reserves and he is being hailed as the second coming. Even if he moves up I would still expect him from the number 2 or 4 position to score well as he isn't exactly against great riders still 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 (edited) Newman remained at reserve because it made more sense for Poole, Garrity went into the 1-5 at Coventry to save them money. What the rider wanted probably wasn't the most important factor.Think you will find Garrity didnt come cheap with other clubs wanting him in a 2nd string role. Thats why he didn't want to be in the draft. The problem was the draft picks, if we didn't sign Garrity as a 2nd string someone else would have. Its that simple. Edited April 7, 2016 by woz01 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superguest Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 Once Kyle moves into the 1-5, I presume he will get an average and that will be used going forward? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 he beat Lawson, Swiderski, Kerr and Mear. These are riders he quite possibly should be beating with ease at home after 6 years at his home track. He should be banging in maximums at home for fun until Belle Vue come to town. Good little rider but nothingore than that. He is beating a poor set of draft riders and in most teams cases second strings that should be reserves and he is being hailed as the second coming. Even if he moves up I would still expect him from the number 2 or 4 position to score well as he isn't exactly against great riders still So in your book he can't win! He beat Swiderski and Lawson from the back. Riders of much more experience. But he should be beating them with ease? Surely thats a sign of a rider improving? What has he got to do to show he is improving, win the British Final, get the Cardiff Wildcard and go through the card to win the British GP? He is no second coming but is capable in the future of being a good second string or third heat leader. Many on here see Robert Lambert as the next superstar but I have not seen much to show thats the case. Hope I am wrong. When Newman moves up he will take scalps. He will abeat riders like MadsK, Morris, Garrity, Swiderski, Josh G, Frike, King etc. You should be cheering on any young determined Brit regardless of who he rides for. I even wish Garrity to improve (except when he rides against us) Newman is extremely determined and when I spoke to him pre season he was disappointed with his form last year and saw 2016 as a big year for him. It seems to me and many on here you are hoping he will fail so you can say, "I told you so". And thats no way to support local home grown riders. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 Can u explain his PL form Shovlar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Daniel Smith Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 Many on here see Robert Lambert as the next superstar but I have not seen much to show thats the case. Hope I am wrong. I can see what you mean by that. To me and I've said it in the past that I think Robert is a carbon copy of Chris Harris. Can't gate for toffee and it will hold him back. When Wroclaw were in town, young Pole Drabik is a similar age and a mile ahead in development. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 but its so very easy for a reserve like newman to get into the top 5 , a few scores of 8/9 which he will do this year with his goggles off will get him there....newmans average was in the reserve berth last year was around the 8 point mark, so you can see its easy gettin there as all of poole 1-5 wont average over 8 ...the problem is staying there as when newman goes up his scores with no doubt drop and the rider that went down to reserve will then be getting 10/11 or so and go straight back up , meaning newman could yoyo all season ...thats not progression its just the way the rules work out this year.... Newman will be a heatleader in 3 or 4 meetings time. How much will that push him? While Garrity gets the easy pickings at second string! I can see what you mean by that. To me and I've said it in the past that I think Robert is a carbon copy of Chris Harris. Can't gate for toffee and it will hold him back. When Wroclaw were in town, young Pole Drabik is a similar age and a mile ahead in development. Lamberts progress makes Harris look pathetic. Harris averages were 4.24, 7.26 (all from reserve) and then 7.5 before making the jump to 9.3. He had still not raced EL at that point (guest bookings aside), it was another 2 season before he averaged about 6.5 in the EL (mainly from reserve) and it took until he was 22 to become an EL heat leader. Lambert, in an admittedly weaker EL has done it at 17! You're right about his gating but if he doesn't exceed everything Harris has then what a massive failure based on his progress to date. Not that what a rider is doing at 16/17/18 is a real guide as to how a rider will end up - look at Risager! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 Can u explain his PL form Shovlar? It's a strange one, he should really be averaging 8 like Garrity in the PL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 Newman will be a heatleader in 3 or 4 meetings time. How much will that push him? While Garrity gets the easy pickings at second string! Lamberts progress makes Harris look pathetic. Harris averages were 4.24, 7.26 (all from reserve) and then 7.5 before making the jump to 9.3. He had still not raced EL at that point (guest bookings aside), it was another 2 season before he averaged about 6.5 in the EL (mainly from reserve) and it took until he was 22 to become an EL heat leader. Lambert, in an admittedly weaker EL has done it at 17! You're right about his gating but if he doesn't exceed everything Harris has then what a massive failure based on his progress to date. Not that what a rider is doing at 16/17/18 is a real guide as to how a rider will end up - look at Risager! newman a heatleader..... only on paper from beating draft riders , that is not a true reflection, he will be on a fake high average and poole total average would be well over 50 from starting the season at 39....thats just the way the rules are this season ,a few of the draft riders will have higher averages than there ability due to the draft system....that doesnt suddenly make them heat leaders.... as for how much will it push him, i dont think it will push him at all.....he wont suddenly become a better rider overnight just because he has been beating fellow draft riders for 3/4 weeks and moved up on a ridiculously high average due to him only beating draft riders..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 (edited) So in your book he can't win! He beat Swiderski and Lawson from the back. Riders of much more experience. But he should be beating them with ease? Surely thats a sign of a rider improving? What has he got to do to show he is improving, win the British Final, get the Cardiff Wildcard and go through the card to win the British GP? He is no second coming but is capable in the future of being a good second string or third heat leader. Many on here see Robert Lambert as the next superstar but I have not seen much to show thats the case. Hope I am wrong. When Newman moves up he will take scalps. He will abeat riders like MadsK, Morris, Garrity, Swiderski, Josh G, Frike, King etc. You should be cheering on any young determined Brit regardless of who he rides for. I even wish Garrity to improve (except when he rides against us) Newman is extremely determined and when I spoke to him pre season he was disappointed with his form last year and saw 2016 as a big year for him. It seems to me and many on here you are hoping he will fail so you can say, "I told you so". And thats no way to support local home grown riders. Leave him alone Steve, the boy is totally deluded, you know his hate for anything Poole. Doesn't matter what you say, if you say its black he will say its white. Thats the way he is. Quite sad really. And i would ignore mr moan clearly he has issues with Poole as well. I hear they are both going on a long vacation together permanantly, so they don't get caught up in the crossfire when we win the league again in October.., Don't forget your medications boys.. Edited April 7, 2016 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 So in your book he can't win! He beat Swiderski and Lawson from the back. Riders of much more experience. But he should be beating them with ease? Surely thats a sign of a rider improving? What has he got to do to show he is improving, win the British Final, get the Cardiff Wildcard and go through the card to win the British GP? He is no second coming but is capable in the future of being a good second string or third heat leader. Many on here see Robert Lambert as the next superstar but I have not seen much to show thats the case. Hope I am wrong. When Newman moves up he will take scalps. He will abeat riders like MadsK, Morris, Garrity, Swiderski, Josh G, Frike, King etc. You should be cheering on any young determined Brit regardless of who he rides for. I even wish Garrity to improve (except when he rides against us) Newman is extremely determined and when I spoke to him pre season he was disappointed with his form last year and saw 2016 as a big year for him. It seems to me and many on here you are hoping he will fail so you can say, "I told you so". And thats no way to support local home grown riders. i don't hope Kyle Newman fails in his quest to become a better rider at all. We all want to see Brits progress. I just don't think all the hysteria about him scoring heavily from reserve is justified he is pretty much doing what he should be for his age and the amount of time he has ridden in the Poole team at reserve. He is progressing but slowly. Let's see him make British Finals and then judge him. Leave him alone Steve, the boy is totally deluded, you know his hate for anything Poole. Doesn't matter what you say, if you say its black he will say its white. Thats the way he is. Quite sad really. And i would ignore mr moan clearly he has issues with Poole as well. I hear they are both going on a long vacation together permanantly, so they don't get caught up in the crossfire when we win the league again in October.., Don't forget your medications boys.. keep it quiet you moron it's called having a discussion and has nothing to do with anti poole, go back to being a grown up paperboy and let the adults chat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMungo Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 Can u explain his PL form Shovlar? Not sure anyone can with a great deal of certainity; some riders just perform better in one league than another for all sorts of varying reasons. Poole do also have a history of getting the best out of a rider points wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 If you ignore all the good riders Newman beats and the points he scores he is actually crap if you really think about it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 If you ignore all the good riders Newman beats and the points he scores he is actually crap if you really think about it. Okay.......That makes no sense! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4gillian Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 Ambition and progress is not asking for something and being given it. It's wanting something and working for it, which is what Kyle is doing. Hes trying to get into the 1-5 with a team of very good riders. Meanwhile Garrity has been given the place but has 3 worse riders than him in the team so is not likely to be in reserve. Doesn't make him better than Newman, just better than the other riders in the Bees team - others, weaker riders who are in the Bees team because Garrity wouldn't start in reserve. Jason has no proven anything or earned anything. And staying in the 1-5 of the Bees team will be nothing special, he'll just be staying ahead of two PL second strings. Meanwhile for Kyle to do it, with his lack of ambition, he has to get ahead of an Aussie Champion, a Polish SWC rider, a rider who finished top 3 of the season before lasts EL averages, a recent World Champion and someone who has been a heat leader in the EL for about 12 years! And Adam Ellis of course. Yeah, what a fool Newman is, trying to stay ahead of any 2 of that lot! If Garrity had started in reserve the Bees could have had Stead and Barker at 2 and 4 and THEN he would have show ambition if he'd fought to get ahead of them. But no. Couldn't have put it better myself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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