stevebrum Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 No. What I'm saying is that Tier 2 reserves eg Ellis cannot be promoted into the 1-5. Its only for Tier 1 riders or those reserves with the higher starting average at the beginning of the season - which means the Tier 1 reserve in all EL cases I believe. Unless there has been a change to this rule which I, Newman and Ellis and others are not yet aware of?! If there has been a change, then I stand corrected - and it needs to be made clear to all clubs and their reserves!! Apparently it's either but not both. cannot see any reason why a tier 2 ISNT protected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 No. What I'm saying is that Tier 2 reserves eg Ellis cannot be promoted into the 1-5. Its only for Tier 1 riders or those reserves with the higher starting average at the beginning of the season - which means the Tier 1 reserve in all EL cases I believe. Unless there has been a change to this rule which I, Newman and Ellis and others are not yet aware of?! If there has been a change, then I stand corrected - and it needs to be made clear to all clubs and their reserves!! I can see why SCB and others are saying what they are saying; they are going by the 2016 rulebook, placing thee most reasonable interpretation of the relevant section.. . . . . . . . . . . . . . Oh! I see where they might be going wrong, who in their right mind expects the speedway rules to be in the rulebook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salty Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 No. What I'm saying is that Tier 2 reserves eg Ellis cannot be promoted into the 1-5. Its only for Tier 1 riders or those reserves with the higher starting average at the beginning of the season - which means the Tier 1 reserve in all EL cases I believe. Unless there has been a change to this rule which I, Newman and Ellis and others are not yet aware of?! If there has been a change, then I stand corrected - and it needs to be made clear to all clubs and their reserves!! My understanding of the rule (having read it) is that only the rider with the highest MA can move up - certainly doesn't say anything about only Tier 1 riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Panda Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 Very much depends on Wednesday's meeting with Coventry. From what was seen at the Abbey, it looks as tho' both Coventry reserves will be heavily outscored by the Poole duo (Ellis was riding for Coventry). At present Ellis has the highest MA of the Poole duo or are you saying that Uncle Matt will make sure that Newman scores the most points? We have no meeting Wednesday.................... RP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 No. What I'm saying is that Tier 2 reserves eg Ellis cannot be promoted into the 1-5. Its only for Tier 1 riders or those reserves with the higher starting average at the beginning of the season - which means the Tier 1 reserve in all EL cases I believe. Unless there has been a change to this rule which I, Newman and Ellis and others are not yet aware of?! If there has been a change, then I stand corrected - and it needs to be made clear to all clubs and their reserves!! Where have you got it from that only tier 1 riders move up? Im using the official rule book and that trumps the Bournemouth Echo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dontforgetthefueltapsbruv Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 The rule states 'only the one with the highest MA' can move into the 1-5. Unfortunately it doesnt specify if this means the one highest at the start of the season or the highest of either at any point. Bournemouth Echo version would mean only the higher rider at the start can move up (badly written in regs if so) How the regs read if using a literal meaning is that either can but only one (the highest) at a time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 If it was only tier 1 riders moving up then surely it would say tier 1 not highest MA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 (edited) The rule states 'only the one with the highest MA' can move into the 1-5. Unfortunately it doesnt specify if this means the one highest at the start of the season or the highest of either at any point. Bournemouth Echo version would mean only the higher rider at the start can move up (badly written in regs if so) How the regs read if using a literal meaning is that either can but only one (the highest) at a time. The rule states, "17.5.1 Only one EDR (the one with the highest MA) may move into a Team’s top 1-5". If it does only mean start higher average rider it's a shambles of a rule as they have put a bracket in to clarify something whne all they had to write was, "17.5.1 Tier 1 riders may move into the teams top 1-5". That rule clearly means either one can move up. I think someone has read it wrong, told the Bournemouth Echo that reading of it too. also, 16.2.7.1 EDR’s will obtain an Established MA when the rider completes 2 Home and 2 Away fixtures, becoming effective 7 days after the last qualifying Meeting. Should an Established MA not be achieved to be effective from 1st May, then the MC may issue a revised MA, based upon actual rides if the Team re-declares If tier 2's can't go into the 1-5 why "EDRs will obtain" and not, "Tier 1 ERDs will obtain"? Edited April 10, 2016 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 (edited) I've emailed the BSPA offices for confirmation. No matter who is correct or otherwise on here, surely its what the riders themselves understand and have agreed to?! Edited April 10, 2016 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 Didnt Matt Ford say himself that he thinks Newman and Ellis will get into the top 5 during the season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 (edited) He did say that - before the BSPA's final meeting to approve the rules. As I said, I'll stand corrected if its different to my understanding. As far as Kyle Newman is concerned, as long as he gets his chance at some point to go into the 1-5, he'll be happy. Equally I'm sure many Poole fans will be happy to keep Kyle at reserve and for Adam to be promoted initially. Edited April 10, 2016 by Skidder1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 I've emailed the BSPA offices for confirmation. No matter who is correct or otherwise on here, surely its what the riders themselves understand and have agreed to?!Surely it's not the riders role to interpret the rule book? If they have had it incorrectly explained then their argument is with the club who incorrectly explained it The rule as per the rulebook is clear cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 (edited) The rule isn't clear-cut, otherwise there wouldn't be any disagreement on its interpretation. I interpret the rule to mean 'highest EDR starting average' whilst others interpret it as 'highest EDR average at any time'? Both reserves are going to gain new averages throughout the season, which may end up higher than those in the 1-5, BUT it doesn't mean both/either will/can be promoted - unless my interpretation and the understanding of some riders is incorrect. Update: No reply from BSPA towers as yet. Edited April 11, 2016 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DunRobin Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 If the rule means only tier 1 riders can move up, then it is badly written. At the present time the rule, the way it reads means any EDR can move up. What is not clear is what happens if the situation happens where 2 EDR riders have higher averages than riders in the 1-5. I am assuming that only 1 EDR rider at the time can be in the 1-5 & that would be the rider with the highest average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted April 11, 2016 Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 The rule isn't clear-cut, otherwise there wouldn't be any disagreement on its interpretation. I interpret the rule to mean 'highest EDR starting average' whilst others interpret it as 'highest EDR average at any time'? Both reserves are going to gain new averages throughout the season, which may end up higher than those in the 1-5, BUT it doesn't mean both/either will/can be promoted - unless my interpretation and the understanding of some riders is incorrect. Update: No reply from BSPA towers as yet. If the rule means only tier 1 riders can move up, then it is badly written. At the present time the rule, the way it reads means any EDR can move up. What is not clear is what happens if the situation happens where 2 EDR riders have higher averages than riders in the 1-5. I am assuming that only 1 EDR rider at the time can be in the 1-5 & that would be the rider with the highest average. You are not surprised that this is another ambiguous rule then ? Who thinks up these rules and then is responsible for putting them in the rule book. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post SteveLyric2 Posted April 14, 2016 Popular Post Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 The rule isn't clear-cut, otherwise there wouldn't be any disagreement on its interpretation. I interpret the rule to mean 'highest EDR starting average' whilst others interpret it as 'highest EDR average at any time'? Both reserves are going to gain new averages throughout the season, which may end up higher than those in the 1-5, BUT it doesn't mean both/either will/can be promoted - unless my interpretation and the understanding of some riders is incorrect. Update: No reply from BSPA towers as yet. UPDATE and an Apology. I have now had two email responses from the BSPA office!! Initially it was proposed that ONLY the Tier 1 EDR (ie the one with the higher starting average) would be eligible to go into the main team. During the interim between the various BSPA meetings which were to give promoters opportunity to consider other options and/or anomalies, it was then proposed and agreed that EITHER reserve could be promoted but only one could race in the 1-5 at any time. So at least we've had the clarification. Apologies from me to all those that understood it correctly. As promised a donation will be winging its way to the SRBF post haste. 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 Christ, Skidder1 is human and can make mistakes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poole keith Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 thankyou skidder for making the effort to clarify things for everybody,the amendment allowing either reserve to be promoted does make sense,good for the two reserves as well to be competing against each other for a place in the 1-5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 Christ, Skidder1 is human and can make mistakes It's not official until Starman confirms it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted April 14, 2016 Report Share Posted April 14, 2016 But it was in the Bournemouth Echo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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