foamfence Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 Personally I think it should have been up to MJJ whether he rode in Denmark or Poland, but that he should suffer the consequences of not turning up - be that loss of income in Poland or forfeiting his place in the qualifiers. But it's gone past that, and it's not fair to take the wildcard away from him at this point..although not doing so denies a rider who does turn up the final qualifying place. So what would others see as a satisfactory outcome now? MJJ becomes Polish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 Change the date and nobody gets the wildcard .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted April 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 So have the qualifier first, then based on the qualifier results, hand a wild card to anyone of those who missed out. From memory this is what has happened in the past under Secher and possibly under Stekkers as well.So you can understand riders thinking this is what would happen again.As for Secher,well I am sure he feels his authority has been undermined and he probably gave his word to riders the usual practice would continue and that is maybe why only 2 riders applied for the wc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 From memory this is what has happened in the past under Secher and possibly under Stekkers as well.So you can understand riders thinking this is what would happen again.As for Secher,well I am sure he feels his authority has been undermined and he probably gave his word to riders the usual practice would continue and that is maybe why only 2 riders applied for the wc. So someone is either undermining or overstepping it. End of. Will be a lot easier for the rest if the Danish places are with a few old boys riders... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted April 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 (edited) . Will be a lot easier for the rest if the Danish places are with a few old boys riders... Sure would be.Haven't checked just who would be in this meeting if all those who signed boycott,but it would hardly be a world class line-up and Esbjerg have sold tickets for this already....... Off topic,but I see Svemo have nominated that Finnish bloke with the long name Edited April 6, 2016 by iris123 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 Sure would be.Haven't checked just who would be in this meeting if all those who signed boycott,but it would hardly be a world class line-up and Esbjerg have sold tickets for this already....... Off topic,but I see Svemo have nominated that Finnish bloke with the long name Good for him... Another case I've had enough of. KL should work for him, Timo Lahti will go to Slangerup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 Easy option is for MJJ to decline the wild card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 The easiest thing is DMU to say you to MJJ or any other rider(like the SCB/BSPA/ACU)should with TW if you don't ride in the qualifiers or final if seeded of your National Championship we will cancel your licence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 (edited) The easiest thing is DMU to say you to MJJ or any other rider(like the SCB/BSPA/ACU)should with TW if you don't ride in the qualifiers or final if seeded of your National Championship we will cancel your licence. I don't think a federation can withdraw the riders' license just for not showing up but they can temporary suspend the rider(s) (like with the Russian SWC riders last season) and like THJ was by Svemo a couple of years ago. So if they don't ride next Friday then they might not be allowed to ride in Poland two days later but I don't think that DMU can permanently ban any rider who entered the national qualifier but failed to show up. A rider can become injured or sick and then it would be very harsh to permanently withdraw their license but as said above, DMU can temporary suspend any rider failing to show up, to prevent them from riding elsewhere instead of the qualifier. Edited April 7, 2016 by Ghostwalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June01 Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 Looks like there's more to it, and that other club managers are annoyed by perceived favouritism towards Slangerup. It's been reported that Slangerup have received a greater share of the TV money, and that they were given priority over other clubs when being asked to host GP qualifying rounds. I should say I made a mistake with one of my earlier comments in that Stefan Kristjansson isn't on the board of the DMU, rather he's head of the Sports Commision that works directly under the DMU, so apologies for incorrectly writing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 (edited) Looks like there's more to it, and that other club managers are annoyed by perceived favouritism towards Slangerup. It's been reported that Slangerup have received a greater share of the TV money, and that they were given priority over other clubs when being asked to host GP qualifying rounds. I should say I made a mistake with one of my earlier comments in that Stefan Kristjansson isn't on the board of the DMU, rather he's head of the Sports Commision that works directly under the DMU, so apologies for incorrectly writing that. I've read some of the articles about this and there it have said that he is also from Slangerup speedway or representing Slangerup speedway. Edited April 7, 2016 by Ghostwalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June01 Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 Yes, that's where the conflict lies. He's one of the two chairmen of Slangerup, but also on the Sports Commission that is taking these unpopular decisions. The DMU are supporting the stance of the Commission. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 Yes, that's where the conflict lies. He's one of the two chairmen of Slangerup, but also on the Sports Commission that is taking these unpopular decisions. The DMU are supporting the stance of the Commission. The actual FIM GP quali first round in Denmark was first being held in Munkebo. Thats how it is in all calendars prior mid March or similar. Have no idea why, but it was then just changed to Slangerup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June01 Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 (edited) The actual FIM GP quali first round in Denmark was first being held in Munkebo. Thats how it is in all calendars prior mid March or similar. Have no idea why, but it was then just changed to Slangerup.From what I understand Munkebo gave it up (I think it was financial reasons, but would have to double check that) so it was given to Slangerup without, as is being reported, being offered to the other clubs. Edit: The DMU have responded to that by saying Slangerup offered at short notice. I haven't seen any response to the accusations about the TV money. Edited April 7, 2016 by June01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 From what I understand Munkebo gave it up (I think it was financial reasons, but would have to double check that) so it was given to Slangerup without, as is being reported, being offered to the other clubs. I don't know either but Munkebo was having all sorts of track problems last season so it could something like that as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 DMU and the riders threathening to boycott next week's qualifier will meet tonight to discuss things. DMU is represented by DMU-boss Jørgen Bitsch and kommission manager Stefan Kristjansson. The riders are represented by Hans Andersen and Bjarne Pedersen. Jørgen Bitsch said that they need to be aware of the "juridical consequences" of the possible solutions that they will discuss. Hans rode in England yesterday and have another meeting tomorrow but decided to get back home for this meeting. http://www.fyens.dk/article/2973946 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted April 7, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 Other news http://ekstrabladet.dk/sport/anden_sport/motorsport/speedway/nervekrig-truer-dansk-speedway/6024898 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 The easiest thing is DMU to say you to MJJ or any other rider(like the SCB/BSPA/ACU)should with TW if you don't ride in the qualifiers or final if seeded of your National Championship we will cancel your licence. They'd leave themselves wide open to being sued for restraint of trade, and rightly so. At best they might sue the riders for breach of contract or something, assuming they'd formally agreed to ride in the meeting, but unlikely to be worth the effort or expense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 (edited) It have been solved. The wild card have been recalled and the meeting have been moved to Tuesday April 19th. Which means that MJJ can ride in Poland but will have to qualify like the others. They will race for 5 available places and then a wild card will be handed out after the meeting. The solution is the same as the former national team manager wanted to use in the first place. http://www.fyens.dk/sport/Speedway-konflikt-loest-wildcard-trukket-tilbage/artikel/2974008 Edited April 7, 2016 by Ghostwalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triple.H. Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 They'd leave themselves wide open to being sued for restraint of trade, and rightly so. At best they might sue the riders for breach of contract or something, assuming they'd formally agreed to ride in the meeting, but unlikely to be worth the effort or expense.If it can be restraint of trade then the countries version of the ACU as it is in our case specify that you must take part in the national championship. If you decide to pull a sickie or feign injury you get a weeks ban from the date of each roundProblem solved Simplistic but it could work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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