iris123 Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 http://www.fyens.dk/modules/mobile/article?articleid=2971812 Because Liglad gets a wild card through as he would rather ride in Poland.Seems Sechers decision not to give him one was overturned.Now Secher has resigned and the riders are up in arms..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 Well I say let MJJ ride in Poland but make it clear that if he does he will not be riding in the SGP/SEC qualifiers. That would set a precedence for future cases should any rider considered skipping the national qualifiers in favour of foreign league meeting. I do agree with the riders that the wild card primarily should be for a riders that misses out due to injury or etc and secondly for any other riders that rides in the national qualifiers but fails to be among those who finish on a qualification slot. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WembleyLion Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 I'm with the riders on this one. No problem with MJJ riding in Poland as that is his choice but it should mean the end of his SGP/SEC involvement if he chooses to opt out at Esbjerg! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June01 Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 http://www.fyens.dk/modules/mobile/article?articleid=2971812 Because Liglad gets a wild card through as he would rather ride in Poland.Seems Sechers decision not to give him one was overturned.Now Secher has resigned and the riders are up in arms..... Been reading as much as I can find on this and my initial decision to support Anders and the riders (who I think well of) has been reenforced by what I've seen. Seems that Stefan Kristjansson is on the board of the DMU but also (a) chairman of Slangerup, where MJJ rides in the league. It's the DMU who had overturned Anders' decision, and Kristjansson is denying he knew there would be a conflict. It should be said there are a number of other riders who have a British League clash that day, but have elected to ride in the qualifiers in Denmark. They have written to the DMU to protest and say they won't be riding in the Danish meeting unless MJJ turns up and they have a full field, or he elects to ride in Poland and forfeit the qualifiers. They rightly say "We are surprised that a league fixture in Poland carries a greater weight than a league fixture in England, where a lot of us get the majority of our income, as well as denying us the chance to strengthen our English clubs' chances in the league." Riders involved in this meeting, and who have written to the DMU to say they will boycott the meeting are: Peter Kildemand, Hans Andersen, Ulrich Ostergaard, Mikkel Bech, Mikkel Michelsen, Kenneth Hansen, Kenneth Bjerre, Leon Madsen, Mads Korneliussen, Patrick Hougaard, Rene Bach, Bjarne Pedersen, Lasse Bjerre, Claus Vissing, Nicolai Klindt, Nikolaj Busk Jakobsen and Anders Thomsen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 There should be no wildcards, both in qualifying and the actual GPs, with the possible exception of one local in each actual GP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brewer Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 not that far different to woffy and british semi and final withdrawal really, oh sorry it will make woffy tired so thats ok then. i agree with the other riders and secher, dont want to ride then you have no right to be put through automatically. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 not that far different to woffy and british semi and final withdrawal really, oh sorry it will make woffy tired so thats ok then. i agree with the other riders and secher, dont want to ride then you have no right to be put through automatically. Not even close to being similar. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 It's now obvious that the Polish league takes preference over any competition anywhere else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June01 Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 (edited) An update, or perhaps the "other side of the story". The DMU are saying that only 2 riders applied for the wildcard - MJJ and Peter Kildemand. Given that MJJ was to ride in Poland the same day, but Kildemand's meeting clash will be the following day, that's what they based their decision on. That said, the DMU look set to call the riders' bluff and won't reverse their decision. The chairman of the DMU has said "if it ends with a boycott, then we will be sorry for the riders and the sport's behalf...I do not think they will do it." The riders stand firm on saying it should have been the Danish coach's decision, as has always been the case, and that he shouldn't have been overruled. It should also be said they are in no way blaming MJJ for the decision, but giving him a wildcard cuts the 6 qualifying spots to 5, and that's not fair when other riders also have commitments to ride that day, only theirs are for the British leagues.. Edited April 6, 2016 by June01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 If everything has been dealt open with all the riders (which it seems as riders have applied) I really dont see a problem with MJJ given a wild card. Even though he's had one earlier as well. The riders boycotting the quali will only hurt themselves and speedway in Denmark. All in all what a stupid argument to have. Really cant see why Secher left because of this. Unless he just wanted a reason. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 The Danes have always had issues like this,I remember in 86 when they gave the wildcard from the Danish final to Sam nicolajensen, but then after pressure reversed that decision and gave it to Tommy knudsen instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 (edited) It's now obvious that the Polish league takes preference over any competition anywhere else. I suspect the rider was given the choice of making progress in the SGP through the year or making a fortune in Poland. The ruthlessness of the Polish clubs is surely obvious by now? They're doing the paying and in turn expect that they are put first, no matter what principles or agreements exist. Edited April 6, 2016 by rmc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawkins20 Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 If everything has been dealt open with all the riders (which it seems as riders have applied) I really dont see a problem with MJJ given a wild card. Even though he's had one earlier as well. The riders boycotting the quali will only hurt themselves and speedway in Denmark. All in all what a stupid argument to have. Really cant see why Secher left because of this. Unless he just wanted a reason. The only acceptable case for giving out a wild card in advance would be because of an injury imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 The only acceptable case for giving out a wild card in advance would be because of an injury imo. But by Junes post everyone had the chance to apply! Wild cards are here to stay. That ensures that fim events have host clubs. Also, MJJ has not actually been given a wild card. DMU has six allocations for GP qualis, what they do with them is their business. Now they have decided that one is a direct seed and five others are contested in a quali. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 But by Junes post everyone had the chance to apply! Yep, but even if they had, only one rider could have got the seeded place. It should be there in case a good prospect is injured, not because they want to go off and ride somewhere else. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 Yep, but even if they had, only one rider could have got the seeded place. It should be there in case a good prospect is injured, not because they want to go off and ride somewhere else.Yet only two applied and 18 others signed a petition. It's DMU's business, stupid argument and a case I rather have not even known about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June01 Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 Well at least Holsted seem to be seeing the funny side, judging by the competition they've just posted to win two tickets to the event in Esbjerg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 But by Junes post everyone had the chance to apply! Sure, sounds reasonable in theory but honestly do you really believe that they would have given the wild card to lets say Mikkel Michelsen or Mikkel Bech over MJJ or PK? I would think that they wouldn't have done that. What if Mikkel Michelsen or Mikkel Bech would have become injured or sick and thus unable to ride in the Danish qualifiers? Then they would have been without any chance of participating in the SGP/SEC qualifiers this season just because SK/DMU decided to give the wild card to someone who preferred to ride in an foreign league meeting instead of the qualifiers. They should keep the wild card but to be eligible for it, the rider would have to enter the qualifiers unless becoming sick or injured but in that case he would not be allowed to ride for two So have the qualifier first, then based on the qualifier results, hand a wild card to anyone of those who missed out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 Sure, sounds reasonable in theory but honestly do you really believe that they would have given the wild card to lets say Mikkel Michelsen or Mikkel Bech over MJJ or PK? I would think that they wouldn't have done that. What if Mikkel Michelsen or Mikkel Bech would have become injured or sick and thus unable to ride in the Danish qualifiers? Then they would have been without any chance of participating in the SGP/SEC qualifiers this season just because SK/DMU decided to give the wild card to someone who preferred to ride in an foreign league meeting instead of the qualifiers. They should keep the wild card but to be eligible for it, the rider would have to enter the qualifiers unless becoming sick or injured but in that case he would not be allowed to ride for two So have the qualifier first, then based on the qualifier results, hand a wild card to anyone of those who missed out. I dont know and I dont know. DMU's business and I will never know what exactly has happened. ALL my posts on this thread are based on an assumption that all riders had a chance to apply to be given a chance to skip this quali. Only two had apparently applied. why did not the rest of them apply? If everyone has known the procedure early enough to act, then DMU is right. Someone will ride in the quali's on DMU slots even if the 18 riders refuse. I'm looking this also from a federation side. If someone wants to blackmail the federation, let him. He'll lose as someone else (especially in Denmark) will take his place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June01 Posted April 6, 2016 Report Share Posted April 6, 2016 Personally I think it should have been up to MJJ whether he rode in Denmark or Poland, but that he should suffer the consequences of not turning up - be that loss of income in Poland or forfeiting his place in the qualifiers. But it's gone past that, and it's not fair to take the wildcard away from him at this point..although not doing so denies a rider who does turn up the final qualifying place. So what would others see as a satisfactory outcome now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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