FAST GATER Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 We have had topics before where we mostly agree on what's not going right in the sport, we hope in vain that the powers above might listen but all the see is "keyboard warriors" who's opinion doesn't count. This stance goes on now year on year, the teams get further and further apart and more and more of us stop going. It's that simple !! Who are we?? Only the punters who they want through the turnstiles. Poole year on year put together a good team that you can't doubt but there attitude at win at all costs does make them a thorn in the side of many a fan(especially Coventry) Mr Sandhu walked away because of the way the sport is run, had he been given opportunity to put in what he wanted he would still be involved today and with the independent committee if I recall correctly that he suggested be put in place then I am sure we wouldn't be in the state we are today. We lose Brandon in a few months, where do the fans for the past 50-60 yrs plus go then, Coventry are one of the most supported teams in the country and we have no home to move in to. Leicester will be lucky to see the season out, Poole or Belle Vue will win the title. Season done and dusted. I just don't get where reserves score over 10 points? They are reserves, the weakest part of the team that should in theory be the lowest scorer not being a vital part in a team winning the title. How on earth do you explain this to a newcomer? The leagues need ripping apart, start again and have some direction. Football, Darts, Ice-hockey and Moto GP all going from strength to strength and we go backwards? what's the appeal to new and the old fans... Where have they all gone? It's like a trap door opened and we lost 3/4. I know people harp on about the old days but stadiums were full, British finals at Coventry were massive. I don't think all the attendances in the last 10 years put together would match the crowds you see on the footage. First step would be to scrap FTR completely wrecked EL racing have six men teams rather than that farce called "protected heats" explain that to a newbee if you can !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 Jonathon, heres a question for you that many would like to know the answer to. At the agm or other bspa meetings, does Matt Ford rule the roost? Are other promoters scared of him and do as he beckons? If he says jump do they say, how high sir? Many non Poole fans on here believe that Matt Ford is the root of all evil in the sport and the reason the sport is in the position it is today due to his win at all costs mentality and the constant building of quality sides. What are your thoughts from someone who was on the inside of the BSPA? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 ZZZ The standard guff about wanting to run like the pl thou quite clearly as Plymouth have shown hardly anyone wants to watch it ...when are you going to wake up and understand the pl is dying as much as other league .it's not working The only way forward to get more fans in and that is making the standard better just like any other sport.. it's utter guff about the bonding varied fixtures etc etc otherwise the pl would be packed with fans rather than clubs being on the edge of going broke . The first thing we need to do it's to understand that speedway is not working at all levels rather this stupid thinking that it's only at El level and somehow the pl is the way to go .because it's not . spot on, quality line ups is what will get people back in stadiums, not watered down teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 Jonathon, heres a question for you that many would like to know the answer to. At the agm or other bspa meetings, does Matt Ford rule the roost? Are other promoters scared of him and do as he beckons? If he says jump do they say, how high sir? Many non Poole fans on here believe that Matt Ford is the root of all evil in the sport and the reason the sport is in the position it is today due to his win at all costs mentality and the constant building of quality sides. What are your thoughts from someone who was on the inside of the BSPA? While some down Dorset way think he's the son of God when really he's just a naughty boy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 spot on, quality line ups is what will get people back in stadiums, not watered down teams. I'd argue that equalised line ups are the way to go, closer racing, closer scores, more excitement. Joe Bloggs who's never been before doesn't know Tai Woffinden from Ty Proctor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 Eastbourne fans have seen their team unable to keep up with the arms race that is the EL. Now we have seen the NL and by and large like it. As I said elsewhere on this forum....if NL clubs develop riders they must be able to benefit financially. The new system does nout encourage that. The BSPA seem to treat the NL as second best. Perhaps, if the NL cannot negotiate a better, deal, it may wish to make a DFI (different ____ arrangement) for next year. NL isn't 2nd best......its 3rd best I'd argue that equalised line ups are the way to go, closer racing, closer scores, more excitement. Joe Bloggs who's never been before doesn't know Tai Woffinden from Ty Proctor. the doubling up rule ruined it imo....I cant get used to riders changing sides twice a week. bank holidays is a headache wondering what mix n match team you going to watch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 I'd argue that equalised line ups are the way to go, closer racing, closer scores, more excitement. Joe Bloggs who's never been before doesn't know Tai Woffinden from Ty Proctor. Like the Pl you mean ...as we have seen it's not working ..if close racing was important Scunthorpe would not be on the verge of going out of business ...the people who have stopped going know Tai Woffiden from Ty Proctor 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 spot on, quality line ups is what will get people back in stadiums, not watered down teams. Which would push up admission prices.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 gps/world cups/brit finals/blrc create atmosphere larger crowds, its the cream of the crop people want to watch. you cant take people as mugs Which would push up admission prices.. and crowds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 (edited) Like the Pl you mean ...as we have seen it's not working ..if close racing was important Scunthorpe would not be on the verge of going out of business ...the people who have stopped going know Tai Woffiden from Ty Proctor I think there's a bit more to it than that. Lack of promotion, lack of value for money, lack of national strategy for instance. It's no good getting Joe Bloggs into a stadium to see a world champion and then be bored sh1tless cos the racing is crap and entertainment is non existent. gps/world cups/brit finals/blrc create atmosphere larger crowds, its the cream of the crop people want to watch. you cant take people as mugs and crowds but they all have large budget promotion and advertising and extra entertainment to give more value for money Edited to avoid censorship Edited April 4, 2016 by Star Lady 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deano Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 There are a lot of reasons why old fans no longer go. I'd like to throw one into the mix.. Teams closing due to lost stadia. When this happens thousands get lost to the sport, speedways lack of investment in it's own facilities historically has sent many supporters away to find new hobbies. Hang onto the fans you have as recruiting new ones is very very hard. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 gps/world cups/brit finals/blrc create atmosphere larger crowds, its the cream of the crop people want to watch. you cant take people as mugs and crowds But many people are hard pressed to pay EL prices now, a further push up would totally exclude them. Many regulars at poole now don't go every week, they pick there meetings, its to expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 (edited) a winning team w But many people are hard pressed to pay EL prices now, a further push up would totally exclude them. Many regulars at poole now don't go every week, they pick there meetings, its to expensive. is it the money? or is it the regulations? the d/u, the ftr. speedway is on a shoestring that gets watered down year on year. ask Swindon fans who miss leigh adams, witches fans who miss gollobs/ricko"s, ask Coventry fans who miss hancock/Hamill there is a pattern here money isn't a problem come Cardiff or national stadium, yet its mentioned in league racing? Edited April 4, 2016 by ColinMills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 a winning team w is it the money? or is it the regulations? the d/u, the ftr. speedway is on a shoestring that gets watered down year on year. ask Swindon fans who miss leigh adams, witches fans who miss gollobs/ricko"s, ask Coventry fans who miss hancock/Hamill there is a pattern here money isn't a problem come Cardiff or national stadium, yet its mentioned in league racing? Cardiff is not down to the EL, The National stadium doesn't belong to BV. Sure all those clubs miss those riders, some are still paying for it... We miss Mark Tony Magic the list goes on.. There is no way all the top boys will come back to the UK, they are more than happy with Poland Sweden and the GP's... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 Cardiff is not down to the EL, The National stadium doesn't belong to BV. Sure all those clubs miss those riders, some are still paying for it... We miss Mark Tony Magic the list goes on.. There is no way all the top boys will come back to the UK, they are more than happy with Poland Sweden and the GP's... I'm fully aware of what you say, I'm just replying to what was said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 (edited) I think there's a bit more to it than that. Lack of promotion, lack of value for money, lack of national strategy for instance. It's no good getting Joe Bloggs into a stadium to see a world champion and then be bored sh1tless cos the racing is crap and entertainment is non existent. but they all have large budget promotion and advertising and extra entertainment to give more value for money Edited to avoid censorship Of course there more to it than that ...but unless the crowds get better speedway dies a death .....a just everything that is only done by making the standard higher ..this utter madness of thinking we should run at pl level a level that has seen clubs nearly going bust and hanging on for grim death is not going help anyone . Ive Not got the answers not sure anyone has but I know one league at pl level is 100 % not the way . But many people are hard pressed to pay EL prices now, a further push up would totally exclude them. Many regulars at poole now don't go every week, they pick there meetings, its to expensive. Just like anything is not always the money it's the value you get ..people will £ 50 for a pl football match if they think it's worth it . Edited April 4, 2016 by orion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 Of course there more to it than that ...but unless the crowds get better speedway dies a death .....a just everything that is only done by making the standard higher ..this utter madness of thinking we should run at pl level a level that has seen clubs nearly going bust and hanging on for grim death is not going help anyone . Ive Not got the answers not sure anyone has but I know one league at pl is 100 % not the way . Just like anything is not the money is the value you get ..people will £ 50 for a pl football match if they think it's worth it . I couldn't watch NL, no interest, PL not for me either. you pay your money, make your choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 Of course there more to it than that ...but unless the crowds get better speedway dies a death .....a just everything that is only done by making the standard higher ..this utter madness of thinking we should run at pl level a level that has seen clubs nearly going bust and hanging on for grim death is not going help anyone . Ive Not got the answers not sure anyone has but I know one league at pl is 100 % not the way . Just like anything is not the money is the value you get ..people will £ 50 for a pl football match if they think it's worth it . Some pay the daft figure of £60 for a PL match, but fans are moaning like buggery about inflated away ticket prices, and rightly so. If you have all the top boys back here which you will not get, admission prices will, go up accordingly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 Some pay the daft figure of £60 for a PL match, but fans are moaning like buggery about inflated away ticket prices, and rightly so. If you have all the top boys back here which you will not get, admission prices will, go up accordingly. They might moan but they still go ..no one asking for all the top boys to come back but unless the crowds come back speedway dies a slow death ....the standard dropping has got hand in hand with the crowds dropping . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 They might moan but they still go ..no one asking for all the top boys to come back but unless the crowds come back speedway dies a slow death ....the standard dropping has got hand in hand with the crowds dropping . who do you hear moan bout Cardiff prices? its only league racing this discussion occurs. speedway now have more stadiums running under 1,000 than ever before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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