Popular Post Theboss Posted April 4, 2016 Popular Post Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 (edited) Imagine climbing on board a helicopter and flying it high up into the sky to get a clearer view of British Speedway and how it operates. That is the exercise I have completed (not literally) and what is overwhelmingly clear is how fragmented the sport is with so many different groups who have different agendas: Elite League Consisting of 8 teams who are desperate to hold onto their ‘Elite’ title and their share of the live TV broadcasting rights money. Unfortunately, in their desperation to retain top international riders to validate the name ‘Elite’ they have driven the average rider pay to a new level each and every year, ignoring the knock on effect it has had for non-elite riders, such as those riding in the Premier League. There also seems to be new rules introduced every year which coincidently benefit a handful of the same clubs and makes it a non-competition from the start of each season. Premier League Consisting of 13 teams who go about their business in a 'workperson' like manor, and genuinely seem to want to start the season on a level playing field. Their downfall seems to be the travel expenses, (Plymouth to Edinburgh for example) and the increased rider costs which have trickled down from the Elite League. Most teams find it hard to make ends meet and often rely on additional financial donations from fans, demonstrating that these clubs are more community focused rather than commercially focused. National League National League is like grass roots football which is fundamentally what British Speedway requires for feeding riders into the higher leagues. Things certainly look promising for this league with the average ages of riders consistently dropping over recent years. My only concern would be that competing teams do not start to believe they are competing in anything more than an amateur/training league. Team GB This should be what every British rider aspires to part of, however over the years it has lost its appeal and is seen by some as a hindrance. More emphasis clearly needs to be put on how important this team is to British Speedway and international matches are arranged to inject some glamour and excitement …. riders should be fighting for team places instead of giving them away. BSPA British Speedway is administered at a staffed office in Rugby. The costs for this are paid by each and every club on a monthly basis (albeit the majority of that cost is now taken directly from the TV monies). With the advances in technology and communications, this is clearly an expense which can be reduced and funds allocated to a better use such as marketing and PR which seems to have fallen a long way behind those of other sporting bodies and organisation’s. International Riders At the start of their careers most International riders see British speedway as paid training and are therefore keen to ride for sensible money, unfortunately once the offers start coming in from other countries their attitude often changes and their pay demands increase due to taking their main bikes to the continent and then needing to buy new bikes for the UK. For the very top riders British Speedway is simply an inconvenience and therefore clubs have to pay completely over the odds to generate any interest in competing here. British Riders Most British riders will have a family and base already established in the UK and therefore costs for them to race on their shores are considerably lower and keeping points money at a sensible amount should be possible subject to them having enough meetings to compete in. Also unlike International riders any additional set up costs to ride abroad will be bearable by the other countries. The problem seems to be the initial investment that is required for competitive equipment which in turn can stop them progressing past National League. Sky TV Sky is one of the worlds most successfully run commercial organisations, and it seems that the sport in general seems to have either forgotten that or fails to appreciate the significance of it. Personally I think they are treated like a thorn in their side by the majority of clubs and fans. However surely their worst enemy can see that over their years of broadcasting the presentation has continued to move forward whilst the Elite League it is still struggling to put out two teams of 7 evenly matched riders worthy of a TV audience. Supporters Across the board supporters are very loyal but are too often taken for granted with a lack of clear and concise information and news being provided to them. New supporters are hard to attract due to a combination of lack of press, ‘uncool’ image and high admission prices. Summary and Recommendations Whilst so many groups and individuals fail to recognise they are only as strong as the weakest amongst them, costs will continue to rise and the spectator numbers will continue to fall. I would therefore recommend that a Chairman with no official affiliation to an existing club is appointed, with the directive of forging a closer relationship with Sky TV and drafting a long term action plan that considers the strengths and weaknesses of every club and every group of individuals. The result of this could be, for example, the amalgamation of two leagues into one and consisting of between 16 to 20 competing teams with no top level International riders permitted to participate, and restrictions on the amount of work allowed to be made to a standard bike to reduce costs. A set admission tariff could also be applied across the league to offer superior value for money compared to other sports, which if paired with the right marketing strategy would encourage a new wave of fans to attend matches and hopefully become long term supporters. The National League could work on a standard equipment only initiative to reduce costs for riders, and a couple of bikes could be made available to each club by the Association to introduce and train potential newcomers. I welcome others thoughts and look forward to the prevailing discussions? Edited April 4, 2016 by jchapman 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lynnboy Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 (edited) Top post, when are you going to take the job as a non promoter chairman as the sport needs dragging by the scruff of the neck before it dies Edited April 4, 2016 by lynnboy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 Excellent post but far too sensible for speedway sadly !!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 Can't argue with any of that. EL - spot on PL- fair summary, much the better league for racing IMO NL- like the idea of a couple bikes being provided Team GB - agreed BSPA - you know far better than most fans so will bow to your knowledge, seems sensible. international riders - for what they are paid they add very little to the overall entertainment value. British riders - agreed Sky TV - not sure about them, have far too much influence and bias IMO but handled properly could benefit the sport Supporters - totally taken for granted, they should be made to feel part of their respective clubs not an inconvenience. All promoters should hold a couple of forums per season to interact with fans Summary - Especially agree with an independent chairman, preferably one with the clout to bang heads together when necessary, which I have no doubt will happen. Restructuring of leagues and maybe a blueprint combining the best of the "extra" value some clubs manage to provide should be given to all clubs. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 I don't think there is anything I would disagree with. My only additional thoughts are that a lot of emphasis has to be put on training to attract and develop British youngsters to get them to a stage where they can compete for NL places and then to ensure a structured development thereafter. Hopefully, the standard and numbers of British riders would improve year on year and eventually, as more get to a top international level, we can again open up the league to top foreign riders, rather than constantly lose Brits who have got to that level to Poland and Sweden. However, only if they ride for affordable rates. Lessons would have to be learnt so that we don't repeat present mistakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 JC One little question for you on a personal level. Why, when you had a good foot hold in the BSPA ( running the Super7 for example) did you walk away ? Surely it would have been better to be in the tent spitting out than outside the tent spitting in ? A Lot of what you say I agree with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damosuzuki Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 tldr However, don't agree that Speedway is too expensive, do agree Elite league becoming a joke and independent chairman required. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 (edited) A very welcome and reasoned post from someone who has his own record of success to fall back on. I have long advocated the formation of one large league but strictly on the current PL model rather than the disastrous attempt in the nineties where the old second division was expected to operate at first division costs without having free access to the necessary riding talent or revenues. It is time to let go of the riders whose priorities, both in hardware and commitment, are elsewhere and to stop squandering the Sky revenue on a hopeless escalation of rider pay that is not backed up by the necessary increases in attendances. My chief concern is that the ills of the EL should not be allowed to pollute the new, unified league. Johnathan refers to the perceived manipulation of rules to favour an 'elite' few and it would be disastrous for the PL clubs to also have to suffer this cancer in the sport. Sadly, there are still supporters who cannot grasp the concept that you do not need the world's greatest (and expensive) riders to stage great speedway. 25 out of 33 teams in Britain work successfully with this model and while there are still financial pressures that nearly cost the sport Plymouth this year it has to be the way forward. You could say that the days of seeing the world's best have already gone from the EL. A regular, ideally weekly schedule of matches with a regular seven against a regular seven, allowing for absences for injury or FIM events is what has always worked in the past here and we must seek to return to that ideal. Crucially, we must reclaim weekend racing. British speedway is wasting too much time and effort in trying to persuade riders to compete here who really have little interest, will charge the earth and show little interest or commitment. They have to go. Those 'fans; who say they will only watch these stars have to ask themselves if they really are supporters of speedway or the illusory glamour of fame? It dazzles easily but you soon see the reality behind that glare. We cannot continue to pander for this expensive, I hope, minority. We cannot afford it. I strongly suspect that the attendance increases brought by hiring the stars do not now cover the increased expense. If that is not the case then I welcome expert comment on the subject, ideally from those that know, not hope. We need stability, to know that when we pay our money we will see our team race another full team, not a haphazard compromise of guests. We must offer value for money, free the sport from the publicity straitjacket relating to social media and rebuild in a sane manner. Flying riders in from all over the continent to compete in front of crowds counted in the hundreds rather than thousands is insanity. We have to sell four riders doing four laps of RACING, and let the world know how good it can be. Yes, the sport needs an American-style commissioner. There would have to be an enormous shift in attitudes amongst promoters to accept it. The most effective government is by consent. Is the sport mature enough to put the needs of the many ahead of the individual? Sadly, I think not. I love speedway, despite all that it's done to me over the years and grieve at the sight of the modern-day EL. I saw some very successful days for the sport and while you cannot turn the clock back, the Polish and SGP genies are well and truly out of the bottle, we must adapt and rebuild, trying to recapture as many aspects of those successful days. A varied, regular fixture list of affordable matches, with teams composed of riders who will be there for almost all meetings, build a bond with the supporters and hopefully give and earn loyalty in return is essential. The sport will always survive but right now it needs an attitude change throughout, from promoters and officials through riders to the 'fan' saying that if they don't see the world's best they'll hold their breath until someone does what they want. The reward is enormous - a healthy, affordable and most of all wonderfully enjoyable sport! Edited April 4, 2016 by rmc 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 (edited) A lot I agree with and I appreciate it’s a suggestion but…. I would find a blanket exclusion of top level riders absurdly harsh for a number of reasons. I don’t doubt the likes of Crump, Adams etc were well paid but they were great servants to speedway in this country and an absolute draw in terms of attracting fans, yes the landscape of the sport has changed since their days but even now the likes of Holder, Doyle and even Harris (who rides at the top level) haven’t done a thing wrong and are in fact great draws in terms of promoting the sport. As well as excluding top level riders from the start you would ultimately be openly accepting and turning the sport in this country into a finishing school would you not, in that rider gets good and wants to leave for more money on the continent? And at what stage do loyal servants of the new model begin to be viewed as top level internationals? If Nick Morris as an example races for Australia at the SWC for the second year in a row this year is he then a top international who has to leave the league? It all sounds a bit like a glorified PL to me, which I appreciate it is and what a lot of fans want but at the same time it sounds like a complete and utter acceptance of A Fish Super rather than Steak when a Sunday Roast could actually be ok. Edited April 4, 2016 by sparkafag 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 Spark its not a glorified anything. Its a Group of riders in a League riding for Money that Speedway in this Country can afford. Its not about Premier, Elite, call it what you will. It's what is now affordable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 (edited) No doubt the sport is in a state of flux.. Clear direction with a clear vision of where it wants to go and what it wants to be is what is needed more than anything, and is at the core of its issues... However, you cannot get to where you want to go if you have no idea of where it is you want to go in the first place! Decisons, it often appears, are made in retrospect to sort out issues caused by a previous ill conceived dictat. However the new decisions made often don't ever fix the root cause of the original issue thus creating another 'grey area' to get exploited by more savvy and financially supported teams.. Result? The sports' Promoters are often seen as Amateurish with decisons reached by their collective implementation often regarded as lacking in Integrity. (Not a great position to be in when you want people to part with circa £20 a week and give it to you). A lack of an independent arbiter also certainly doesn't help fans' perception of the BSPA members as an entity which is out to drive the sport forward as a collective. Rather it is often seen as being a bunch of people whose own self interest is the driving force of their decisions. For me, the sport needs that circa £20 admission fee price point not only reducing but 'slashing'. And every effort should be made to cut costs to levels that will facilitate that. I have info from an NL team as to some of the money/funded equipment being requested from riders this year who frankly I have never heard of but have done a couple of years at NL reserves/second string level and it is truly both amazing and laughable... Needless to say, they didn't get what they wanted but have turned up elsewhere so presume someone has granted them their fiscal wish...? They will though be only asking for 'silly money' as a. their costs often create the need for such unrealistic requests and b. someone eventually is willing to pay them what they want! Speedway needs to ask itself whether it can sustain these spiralling costs at its current and forecasted attendance levels and start to face the stark reality of where it really is. Paying out 3k a night to one rider on (at best) 'Vanarama League North' attendances is crackers, yet happens.... Cutting it's cloth accordingly will need fundamental changes which won't please all, riders, promoters or fans, however these decisons need to be taken for the greater good. Has anyone within the sport got the vision to deliver a stable and forward moving future? And if so. Has anyone within the sport also got the required leadership skills to deliver it? If so, Apply to the BSPA, Rugby.... Edited April 4, 2016 by mikebv 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 Spark its not a glorified anything. Its a Group of riders in a League riding for Money that Speedway in this Country can afford. Its not about Premier, Elite, call it what you will. It's what is now affordable. That’s partly my point. If Coventry (as an example ) can afford Harris (again example) and Harris can commit to meetings and things aren’t changed to accommodate him, why exclude him purely because he is good? Why not just have both if a world class rider can meet the criteria required re proven attendance etc and so on, let them ride here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 Been through all this before Jonathan, nothing new from your helicopter .... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 That’s partly my point. If Coventry (as an example ) can afford Harris (again example) and Harris can commit to meetings and things aren’t changed to accommodate him, why exclude him purely because he is good? Why not just have both if a world class rider can meet the criteria required re proven attendance etc and so on, let them ride here. Of course any rider who is prepared to give full commitment to British Speedway should be allowed to compete. How many at the highest level bar Chris Harris are prepared to follow his lead? If more riders at the top level were like Chris our problems would be greatly reduced. Just one other point, can Coventry afford him? They may find a way to pay but does can the business itself sustain employing him? I certainly don't know - do you? It would actually help this debate greatly if the lurking promoters and officials, either current or past could let the rest of us know if there is a real BUSINESS case for employing the stars or is it just another irrecoverable cost of playing the power game? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 If all 8 Elite League teams had one "star rider" Which/ who would they be? You'd need 8 of equal ability, commitment, equipment, availability and attitude.. Can anyone find these 8 souls? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 Just one other point, can Coventry afford him? They may find a way to pay but does can the business itself sustain employing him? I certainly don't know - do you? They have signed him for 12 seasons (I think) so the suggestion is they can? Is finding a way to pay riders not a massive part of building a sports team? If they (or any club) finds ways to pay riders through subsidiaries and sponsorship is that not a good thing, a part of sport? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theboss Posted April 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 That’s partly my point. If Coventry (as an example ) can afford Harris (again example) and Harris can commit to meetings and things aren’t changed to accommodate him, why exclude him purely because he is good? Why not just have both if a world class rider can meet the criteria required re proven attendance etc and so on, let them ride here. The problem is that whilst COVENTRY may be able to afford him, what about all the other clubs who need a number 1 and are demanding more than what they are worth because Harris is who they are the equal to and he is being paid a lot more than them. * I can assure you that all riders talk and majority know what the other one earns per point Been through all this before Jonathan, nothing new from your helicopter .... So are you suggesting we should not discuss it any further or would you like to share what you could see from your helicopter? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
June01 Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 (edited) Premier League Consisting of 13 teams who go about their business in a 'workperson' like manor, and genuinely seem to want to start the season on a level playing field. Their downfall seems to be the travel expenses, (Plymouth to Edinburgh for example) and the increased rider costs which have trickled down from the Elite League. I've never really been given a definitive answer on who pays the costs of travel, largely because, for some reason, any discussion about finances seems to be frowned upon, but I think it would be good for fan to know what expenses are involved for both clubs and riders, even if it's only to justify the price of a ticket. For instance, who pays for a rider to travel between British clubs? Is it the rider themselves? Do they get paid proportionally to the distance they travel, or is it a flat rate? Is it the same across all the leagues? And who pays for a British rider to travel to, say, Sweden, for a league meeting? And vice versa? What about individual meetings? For instance, Nicki riding in Bomber's testimonial? Would Nicki have had to pay for that flight out of his own pocket? Edited April 4, 2016 by June01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theboss Posted April 4, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 (edited) For instance, who pays for a rider to travel between British clubs? Is it the rider themselves? Do they get paid proportionally to the distance they travel, or is it a flat rate? Is it the same across all the leagues? And who pays for a British rider to travel to, say, Sweden, for a league meeting? And vice versa? What about individual meetings? For instance, Nicki riding in Bomber's testimonial? Would Nicki have had to pay for that flight out of his own pocket? There is a set contribution made by the riders club for travel from their residing address in the UK to their place of racing. This used to be 10p per mile but I believe it has gone up to 15p in the past few years. However I have heard some clubs have agreed to pay riders up to 30p per mile towards travel. As you can imagine this can add up significantly for 7 riders, so for example if the 7 riders at Plymouth travelled up to Edinburgh for one meeting and were paid an average of 20p per mile this would cost Plymouth speedway approximately £1366 (mileage taken from google). With regards to flights their are none for British riders but Swedish and Danish have a set amount paid for as per the agreements between the Associations. However again, many will negotiate for a lot more than the minimum and often it will cost £300 or more just to fly a rider in and out for a meeting. Individual meetings are down to negotiation. Edited April 4, 2016 by jchapman 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 (edited) The problem is that whilst COVENTRY may be able to afford him, what about all the other clubs who need a number 1 and are demanding more than what they are worth because Harris is who they are the equal to and he is being paid a lot more than them. * I can assure you that all riders talk and majority know what the other one earns per point I fail to see even in a merged league, how (short term and probably long term), for example, Berwick or Scunthorpe will ever be able to afford the same standard of rider as Poole or Coventry, and I don’t think that is a bad thing. They sides will always be able to pay more so in theory always drag the price up if they go for a Number 1 irrespective of the standard of league or other Number 1 riders as they will set a precedent for "Number 1 money" If a side builds a better, more sustainable business model they should be able to spend more than other clubs, that’s generally how sport works. As well as building decent 1-7s clubs should be rewarded for building solid clubs. If they have done that through the attraction of fans, sponsors etc, then the cash generated from that should be going back onto the track in some form rather than sitting as cash reserves just because others haven’t achieved the same level of success. But fair enough, if you remove Harris the next best rider would just be the one who was in demand who Coventry could afford and others couldn’t you would only continue a list eliminating names as you go saying “can’t rider here because some can afford and others cannot” IMO, as that is generally how sport works, clubs want better riders. I think that fairness is great, but if the idea is Coventry (as an example) can’t sign someone (eg Harris) despite being able to afford him and have to charge the same as Edinburgh (despite having indefinitely better facilities than them) then I am not sure that is fair but instead manufactured haemorrhaging of a side to the point you might actually a damage sides to falsely build others. I don’t mean this as a cheap shot rather a tip of the hat in praise. There was once a time in the PL when a Kings Lynn side had the likes of Nermark, Doolan and Topinka in it, do I think every side in the PL could have afforded that, no, do I think it was a bad thing or damaged the product, not really, if anything that side was a great draw and something for others to aim at and fans to enjoy when they came to town. I do appreciate the original post was just a suggestion though and a lot of this is probably pedantic nit-picking but at least it is debate with the best intentions of the sport at heart. Edited April 4, 2016 by sparkafag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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