spin king Posted April 3, 2016 Report Share Posted April 3, 2016 Had a look through the original draft riders who start the season of 2014 just wondering how they had progressed and where they are now. Belle Vue Stefan Nielsen; Still a draft rider, and Premier League Ben Reade; Retired. Birmingham Simon Lambert; Riding in the Premier League turning down the opportunity to ride as a draft rider. Paul Starke; Still a draft ride. and Premier League Coventry Jason Garrity; Now riding in the main body of the Coventry team. James Sarjeant; Still a draft rider, and Premier League Eastbourne Lewis Blackbird; Retired. Dan Halsey; Riding National League. Kings Lynn; Lewis Kerr; Still a draft rider, and Premier League Lewis Rose; Still a draft rider, and Premier League Lakeside Adam Ellis; Still a draft rider. Ben Morley; Riding Premier League and National League Leicester Tom Perry; Riding Premier and National League. Max Clegg; Still a draft rider. Riding Premier and National League. Poole Kyle Newman; Still a draft rider. Riding Premier League Lee Smart; Riding National League. Swindon Steve Worrall; Still a draft rider, and Premier League Darryl Ritchings; Riding Premier and National League. Wolverhampton Ashley Morris; Riding National League. Joe Jacobs; Still a draft rider. From 20 riders 1 rider has made into main body of an Elite League. 10 riders still form part of the draft. 6 riders are riding in lower leagues 2 riders have retired Would this be counted as progress? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
therefused Posted April 3, 2016 Report Share Posted April 3, 2016 saved plenty of money though right? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted April 3, 2016 Report Share Posted April 3, 2016 Tbh probably a similar success rate to when a similar scheme was tried in 86. I'd say you have to look to a ten year period to guage success, never going to get instant results when you are essentially just promoting an existing talent pool. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 (edited) saved plenty of money though right? Isn't that the whole point of the exercise and wrecked the EL format in the process Edited April 4, 2016 by FAST GATER 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 It's pretty obvious it was a cost cutting exercise ,now it diluted the product that much that the League is a joke . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 This year though, their averages might take them into the main body, so it might be better to return to this at the end of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 (edited) Had a look through the original draft riders who start the season of 2014 just wondering how they had progressed and where they are now. Belle Vue Stefan Nielsen; Still a draft rider, and Premier League Ben Reade; Retired. Birmingham Simon Lambert; Riding in the Premier League turning down the opportunity to ride as a draft rider. Paul Starke; Still a draft ride. and Premier League Coventry Jason Garrity; Now riding in the main body of the Coventry team. James Sarjeant; Still a draft rider, and Premier League Eastbourne Lewis Blackbird; Retired. Dan Halsey; Riding National League. Kings Lynn; Lewis Kerr; Still a draft rider, and Premier League Lewis Rose; Still a draft rider, and Premier League Lakeside Adam Ellis; Still a draft rider. Ben Morley; Riding Premier League and National League Leicester Tom Perry; Riding Premier and National League. Max Clegg; Still a draft rider. Riding Premier and National League. Poole Kyle Newman; Still a draft rider. Riding Premier League Lee Smart; Riding National League. Swindon Steve Worrall; Still a draft rider, and Premier League Darryl Ritchings; Riding Premier and National League. Wolverhampton Ashley Morris; Riding National League. Joe Jacobs; Still a draft rider. From 20 riders 1 rider has made into main body of an Elite League. 10 riders still form part of the draft. 6 riders are riding in lower leagues 2 riders have retired Would this be counted as progress? with these results your assuming that ALL the riders have ridden to there best , and not taken team orders to keep average down , to remain a draft rider Edited April 4, 2016 by heathen chemistry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 with these results your assuming that ALL the riders have ridden to there best , and not taken team orders to keep average down , to remain a draft rider Surely this would not happen in s/way 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 with these results your assuming that ALL the riders have ridden to there best , and not taken team orders to keep average down , to remain a draft rider Given that no Draft riders have been forced to move up, despite a number averaging more than many heat leaders, I struggle to see on what basis you would suggest this? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 (edited) Whether or not the FTR system has been a success or not would depend on the question and who was asking it as there are so many caveats to the question “progress?” If it is being judged on the riders who were originally included than it indefinitely has. The thing with listing riders from a few years ago is that it creates a natural regression of thought that they are as good now as they were at that time, more so as it is skewed with “still racing PL”. I would suggest Worrall, Kerr, Garrity and Starke have all been an absolute success in terms of progress, all are indefinably better than they were when this begun and actually have a decent crack at becoming something. I appreciate some might argue natural progress might have dictated that anyway, possibly so, but x amount of EL meetings on top of their schedule and the time spent around better riders will have accelerated progress. Others have met “success” via different criteria Lambert, Sarjeant and Morley have resuscitated their careers and will all hold their own in the PL this season. Clegg, Perry, Ellis, Rose and Nielsen remain young riders, with Ellis looking like he could push into the Worrall, Kerr and Co group The remainders are the kind of excess you will find when you introduce a large batch of talent, some won’t make it and some will but it is about the success. The draft system has worked to an extent it has helped create more British riders, the other issues that have spawned from it such as race format, weak top 5s and irregularities in the system are the fault of different aspects that have went against the initial intention which was a good one. Edited April 4, 2016 by sparkafag 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 Given that no Draft riders have been forced to move up, despite a number averaging more than many heat leaders, I struggle to see on what basis you would suggest this? given that they've used converted pl averages this year, is it not conceivable to keep that average down ...... This year though, their averages might take them into the main body, so it might be better to return to this at the end of the season. quite ridiculous when you think about it, the reserves will have inflated averages , not a true figure riding against reserves in most races Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 given that they've used converted pl averages this year, is it not conceivable to keep that average down ...... Well yes. But your statement was they kept their averagea down to remain as Draft riders. But clearly no riders were forced to move up from the Draft, regardless of how well they did in El or Pl? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 Well yes. But your statement was they kept their averagea down to remain as Draft riders. But clearly no riders were forced to move up from the Draft, regardless of how well they did in El or P the draft list has been based on performances, be it pl , or el and riders went up or down depending on performance , therefore this has been used since its inception as to where to class riders in either tier 1 or tier 2 therefore this list is based on performance........if you look at the listings you would see kyle newman probably the top rider in the draft is at number 6 .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 You'll never know if its been a success or not. For all you know without the draft half a dozen may have retired, a few more dropped back to the NL. But equally a couple may have found themselves into an EL 1-5 by now. It's impossible to decide if it's worked or not. All I know is that no riders career seems to have been messed up after as promising start but a couple of lesser riders do seem to have made a go of it. Paul Starke had been around a while but since the draft started has come on massively. And part the reason Joe Jacobs is only a draft rider is because no PL team signed him last year (yet weirdly hes back this year despite having no PL team!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben91 Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 In 2014 a lot of those riders shouldn't have been anywhere near the EL, now most of the ones that are still in the EL as reserves are at a standard where they can compete at least. Good to see that we are still enforcing two draft riders in each team but they are able to move into the main body of their EL side. The future needs to see this continue and a proper draft for both reserves put in place in the Premier League. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 It's pretty obvious it was a cost cutting exercise ,now it diluted the product that much that the League is a joke . Maybe, but it may also be the difference between speedway and no speedway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 Maybe, but it may also be the difference between speedway and no speedway.Possibly,but I seen a quote recently that some NL riders were on £25 a point so there's money n the sport somewhere.Whos kidding Who. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 Possibly,but I seen a quote recently that some NL riders were on £25 a point so there's money n the sport somewhere.Whos kidding Who. £25 a point is still a lot less than the 'top boys' will be on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 (edited) £25 a point is still a lot less than the 'top boys' will be on.Yeh! But when the league was formed it was meant for development of young riders basically expenses and little points money now we have a lot of failed PL riders taking most of the money out the league.If he money is not in the sport why are they paying money we can't afford in all divisions. Edited April 4, 2016 by Fromafar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Countershaftcounter Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 There seems to be confusion as to if both tier 1 & 2 riders can go into the 1-5 or just tier 1. I've seen both cases stated on various threads on here, can anyone definitively answer the question ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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