bigcatdiary Posted April 1, 2016 Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 After making enquiries it appears this rule is unchanged from last year and TR are allowed in the group stages. I am we aware that the rulebook states different (and apparently that's another cock up) having been changed for this year but the SCB have already sent out a circular to promoters and referees etc to advise them, just a shame they don't feel it's necessary to let the paying public know. The words piss up and brewery spring to mind. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebaron Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 So this is the gist; agree a rule change at the AGM no Tac Ride in League Cup. Someone prints rule books including the Tac Ride and instead of going with the decision at AGM we go with whats printed errorneously in the rule book. Yeap rearrange this organise up brewery a pi** in couĺdnt I hope I am wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmon Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 Clearly the problem was a referee could not read and adhere to the rulebook. That is where the problem arose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 So this is the gist; agree a rule change at the AGM no Tac Ride in League Cup. Someone prints rule books including the Tac Ride and instead of going with the decision at AGM we go with whats printed errorneously in the rule book. Yeap rearrange this organise up brewery a pi** in couĺdnt I hope I am wrong. No the rule book is crystal clear that there are no TR rides in the League Cup, so no that's not wheat has happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlieboy Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 Why not just scrap the the stupid double point rule and go back to being 6 points behind and putting anybody in.It worked for years and gave the team manager the chance to plot changes and use his tactical nounce.Today all he has to do is pick an easy race for one of his better riders to go out and beat lesser riders.Its a joke rule and wants scrapping. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 As I've stated elsewhere, you can't rely solely on the rule book. You have to also consider the supplementary regulations, one of which no doubt states that TRs are allowed in PLC group matches. I well remember in my announcing days a referee pulling out the rule book then showing me the sheaf of supplementary regulations that were filling the rest of his briefcase. Why not just scrap the the stupid double point rule and go back to being 6 points behind and putting anybody in.It worked for years and gave the team manager the chance to plot changes and use his tactical nounce.Today all he has to do is pick an easy race for one of his better riders to go out and beat lesser riders.Its a joke rule and wants scrapping. Because it was getting too expensive to give certain star riders extra rides. Alarm bells should have rung at that point. The Polish and Swedish leagues still use the old TS rule - only we have this farcical compromise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 Will Somerset vs Rye House be rerun then? As Rye House have lost out if not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 Surely not confusion regarding rule book!!!! Never! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screm Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 As I've stated elsewhere, you can't rely solely on the rule book. You have to also consider the supplementary regulations, one of which no doubt states that TRs are allowed in PLC group matches. I well remember in my announcing days a referee pulling out the rule book then showing me the sheaf of supplementary regulations that were filling the rest of his briefcase. Because it was getting too expensive to give certain star riders extra rides. Alarm bells should have rung at that point. The Polish and Swedish leagues still use the old TS rule - only we have this farcical compromise. Irrespective of supplementary rules, IMO the less there is the better, to say you cant solely rely on the rule book probably sums why speedway is in the mess it is. Surely the rule book should be enforced at every meeting at every track in the Country. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topaz325 Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 Just scrap the chuffing TR rule for every competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 Surely not confusion regarding rule book!!!! Never! Nothing confusing about the rule book, it's what's not in the rule book.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 Nothing confusing about the rule book, it's what's not in the rule book....Plus Referees interpretation of what's not in it.!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Najjer Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 (edited) Will Somerset vs Rye House be rerun then? As Rye House have lost out if not.Technically no rules were broken, so I see no reason as to why it should. It's bloody stupid having double points in one competition and not in the next though! It either has to be all or nothing! Edited April 4, 2016 by Najjer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyb Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 Why not just scrap the the stupid double point rule and go back to being 6 points behind and putting anybody in.It worked for years and gave the team manager the chance to plot changes and use his tactical nounce.Today all he has to do is pick an easy race for one of his better riders to go out and beat lesser riders.Its a joke rule and wants scrapping. If I am not mistaken, wasn't the TR (Joker) (Mickey Mouse) rule one of the pet hates of fans which came up in a questionnaire in the Star last year. But you wouldn't expect the Promoters to take any notice of the paying public. They never have done and never will 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icicle Posted April 4, 2016 Report Share Posted April 4, 2016 Why do they even bother printing any rules, only to ignore what is said! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted April 5, 2016 Report Share Posted April 5, 2016 Irrespective of supplementary rules, IMO the less there is the better, to say you cant solely rely on the rule book probably sums why speedway is in the mess it is. Surely the rule book should be enforced at every meeting at every track in the Country. You're quite right. I was appalled at the volume of the supplementaries that referee showed me and that was over two decades ago. It shows how the sport constantly ducks and dives, closing loopholes, clarifying mistakes and adapting to change. In some ways flexibility is a virtue but not on that scale. If they got the rule book right in the first place their use would only be to cover urgent, essential changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike.Butler Posted April 7, 2016 Report Share Posted April 7, 2016 there should not be any changes in rules across competitions. bloody ridiculous and what on earth is there to be gained? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comet49 Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 Redcar used a tactical last night, Lasse Bjerre, he came second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 10, 2016 Report Share Posted April 10, 2016 Once the rules are decided that it. You can't change them. Even if they are stupid. The stupidest one of the lot is keeping the EL format but there no SR to change that yet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted April 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2016 Once the rules are decided that it. You can't change them. Even if they are stupid.! You would like to think so wouldn't you unfortunately the reality is somewhat different. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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