Glasgow V Edinburgh - League Cup 3pm, 3rd April

[New era Panthers]

give dan a chance , he is young and keen as f@@k. it will be your loss . remember neil collins @ workington ? way behind and then all hell breaks loose after a trip to weymouth .

As he's quite local to Workington I wouldn't be surprised if he ditches Edinburgh and returns as your no;7 for 2017 season , he has no ties with the Monarch's he's a Belle Vue asset.

[SharpenRake]

As I've said previously we won't win anything this year. I see this year as more building for 2017 with the likes of Riss, Clegg, Etheridge and bewley.

 

Do you really and I mean REALLY think all 4 will be back next year

[MANSE]

Doubt Clegg will be back

[jenga]

this topic is heading for the thread of the season . keep it going .ol.

[LunnasPerm]

Was nick morris as little? I think nick was slightly taller give a inch or two the young lad Bewley will come good but it might take a while to get used to wrestling with a 500cc

 

I couldn't tell you. As I mentioned, Sunday's meeting was the first I've attended at Ashfield for a while. Barring sporadic meetings here and there, I haven't been a regular at Ashfield for a few years.

 

My point was that, in my honest and arguably brutal opinion, Bewley isn't ready for Premier League speedway. It amazed me that Edinburgh's press and practice turned into a casting/audition session for their remaining race jacket as opposed to a team bonding session, but I'm even more amazed that Bewley impressed the Monarch's management most.

 

I appreciate that you have to start somewhere, but from my memory, the likes of Grant MacDonald, David McAllan and even Scott Courtney weren't that far off the pace in their debut meetings and subsequent seasons.

 

I'll be amazed if Bewley scores a single point against Berwick on Friday.

[Comet Dan]

He has talent without doubt. That was however only his fourth or fifth speedway meeting EVER! He did some winter amateur meetings at Scunthorpe then the Belle Vue Colts meeting last week and that's it!

 

1 National League meeting

0 Development League meetings

2/3 Amateur Individual meetings

 

He obviously needs more experience, to develop physically and time but he will do very well for himself in my opinion.

[LunnasPerm]

I'm not doubting that he has potential, but he blatantly isn't ready for the Premier League.

 

That's the Edinburgh management's fault, not his. Is that the standard the Premier League champions are setting? It emphasises the fact that the Monarchs' team building during the close season was poor, unorganised and amatuer.

[Positive Thinker]

 

I couldn't tell you. As I mentioned, Sunday's meeting was the first I've attended at Ashfield for a while. Barring sporadic meetings here and there, I haven't been a regular at Ashfield for a few years.

 

My point was that, in my honest and arguably brutal opinion, Bewley isn't ready for Premier League speedway. It amazed me that Edinburgh's press and practice turned into a casting/audition session for their remaining race jacket as opposed to a team bonding session, but I'm even more amazed that Bewley impressed the Monarch's management most.

 

I appreciate that you have to start somewhere, but from my memory, the likes of Grant MacDonald, David McAllan and even Scott Courtney weren't that far off the pace in their debut meetings and subsequent seasons.

 

I'll be amazed if Bewley scores a single point against Berwick on Friday.

 

This is the same lad who scored 11+1 from five completed races for Belle Vue last month in his first NL meeting?

 

Your scorn for Edinburgh is clouding your arguably brutal opinion, I suspect.

[LunnasPerm]

 

This is the same lad who scored 11+1 from five completed races for Belle Vue last month in his first NL meeting?

 

Your scorn for Edinburgh is clouding your arguably brutal opinion, I suspect.

 

Is that first sentence a question? I don't quite understand your point or angle. That young boy is not ready for the Premier League. I reiterate that he wasn't just off the pace, he looked like it was only his fourth or fifth competitive meeting and that isn't his fault, that's the Edinburgh management's.

 

In what way is my judgement clouded? Are you disputing my comments?

[damosuzuki]

IMO the 3 point reserve rule is bringing in guys who may / would not be going into the premier otherwise, I am sticking to my guns and expect Bewley on the scoreboard on Friday

 

Ayres got well ahead of Carr against Coventry and overtook twice(?) The reserve berth is going to be interesting!!!

 

[Joseq7]

I couldn't be more positively in favour of the new PL No.7 rule, especially if it's a young British guy.

 

I have not had the advantage of seeing live the discussed Mr (or should that be Master) Bewley.

 

One thing we can all be agreed on, surely, is that the lad must have b*lls and we all hope he becomes a great success.

 

If these young British guys are getting valuable track experience and are willing to listen and learn regarding set ups from the auld heids then what's not to like about this principle?

 

If they're falling off all over the place and getting hurt and losing money hand over fist then, of course, the BSPA will need to have a rethink.

[LunnasPerm]

I don't particularly agree with the ruling, forcing clubs to use a certain calibre of rider or nationality at number 7.

 

It reminds me of the old rule (I assume it's no longer in the rule book) that the nine Elite League clubs could only employ one Grand Prix rider in their starting seven, at a time when the GP series featured around 20 riders. It was, of course, to encourage the use of homegrown, British talent, but it was an utterly flawed concept that simply reduced the standard of speedway on these shores and denied fans the opportunity to see some of the world's best riders. It was around then, 2001/02, in my honest opinion, that British speedway truly fell behind Poland, Sweden, etc.

 

Dan Bewley, or any other young British rider for that matter, should earn their place in a starting line-up, not gain enhanced opportunities via a technicality implimented by the BSPA.

 

Regardless, I think Edinburgh have got it completely wrong with Bewley. At this stage in his career, anyway.

[New era Panthers]

I'm not doubting that he has potential, but he blatantly isn't ready for the Premier League.

 

That's the Edinburgh management's fault, not his. Is that the standard the Premier League champions are setting? It emphasises the fact that the Monarchs' team building during the close season was poor, unorganised and amatuer.

Why not just leave the lad alone and give him the chance , Edinburgh selected him and the lads quite willing to give it a go. He doesn't need all this bad press and it is hardly likely to encourage him and wont do his confidence any favours either. It's a brave move by Edinburgh and one that should be congratulated rather than people just slating him for having a go, he may be off the pace at the moment and has a lot to learn but if people don't give him the chance and just ridicule him he wont be around much longer. I'd rather see him get the chance

[LunnasPerm]

Why not just leave the lad alone and give him the chance , Edinburgh selected him and the lads quite willing to give it a go. He doesn't need all this bad press and it is hardly likely to encourage him and wont do his confidence any favours either. It's a brave move by Edinburgh and one that should be congratulated rather than people just slating him for having a go, he may be off the pace at the moment and has a lot to learn but if people don't give him the chance and just ridicule him he wont be around much longer. I'd rather see him get the chance

 

What a sad, sad view of things.

 

Edinburgh should be congratulated? I spent £17.50 to watch Glasgow compete with what I assumed were the Premier League defending champions, but instead I saw a side pieced together half-heartedly. Bewley is not ready for the Premier League, Etheridge caused two stoppages en route to scoring nothing, Clegg only beat Bewley and I'm almost certain Ryan Fisher's mind was on what to watch on Netflix when he got home, therefore I reserve the right to an honest opinion in which I won't dance around reality like a fairy and attempt to fluff it up.

 

Aye, well done, Edinburgh. While I'm at it, I'd like to pass my congratulations on to Aston Villa, too. Here's a shout out to Dundee United, as well.

[scotchopper]

 

Is that first sentence a question? I don't quite understand your point or angle. That young boy is not ready for the Premier League. I reiterate that he wasn't just off the pace, he looked like it was only his fourth or fifth competitive meeting and that isn't his fault, that's the Edinburgh management's.

 

In what way is my judgement clouded? Are you disputing my comments?

 

I agree with you in the statement that Dan is not ready for the Premier League but that is thinking about last season's PL. The new rule whilst very well intentioned means there will be a number of riders put into Dan's position who are also not ready for PL. Dan will take points off them once he gets going but not a lot until he grows a bit, other than Ellis Perks or Tom Perry I think all of those riders are going to be unpredictable and I am quite happy with the approach Monarchs took to it. Only thing you would prefer is they ran a couple of vulture meetings over the winter but that is not possible, perhaps the new training track Berwick are setting up will help all the scottish teams do that and potentially get more local youngsters involved. If it doesn't work Glasgow seem to have unearthed a gem in Danny Ayres and that should be a massive bonus to them although he didn't get anywhere near Edinburgh's top 4 (Kevin and Ruan beat him comfortably) so difficult to judge if he can win the league for Glasgow or just be best of the reserves. I am willing to bet there will be a number of riders across the league struggling to score 1 point in 6 weeks time that is when you start to worry about Dan and others in their boat. Given his inexperience and his score at Cradley I will give him the benefit of the doubt and the support he needs.

 

All the Glasgow concern for Monarchs actually misses the point that Edinburgh fans are being complimentary to their team. If we had lost at home to scunny then we probably would be criticizing the team and the way it was selected now but we didn't we lost away to one of the teams that are favourites for the league that with the form of Danny Ayres look better than predicted. It was also (Edinburgh's fault so an excuse for the riders but not the team) a very undercooked edinburgh team with very little track time so it is incredibly unfair to make judgements after this one meeting.

Whilst it was a tough defeat and has opened a few questions I actually think there were 1 or 2 positive things on Sunday, My perspective

1. Sam Masters - will be up there with the top 5 in the league and potentially best rider in PL this season, no worries

2. Jye Etheridge - Looked (unsurprisingly) very nervous on sunday and that probably cost him picking up a couple of points but his move around the outside in heat 8 to lead for 2.5 laps shows his potential. One for the future

3. Kevin Wolbert - Steady eddie of the team, if he scores the same as last season then will be a success and sunday showed that he was capable by beating Lawson quite easily in ht10

4. Erik Riss - We need him to step up this year and he is capable. Whilst not troubling the Glasgow top 4 he passed Garcia as if he wasn't there in ht7. He wouldn't have done that at the start of last season.

5. Ryan Fisher - Struggled with equipment last year so his puncture in ht13 was concerning, he was beating Lawson at the time shame about the tape touch as that would have been a better test of how competitive he was on Sunday. Once he is settled and has a few meetings at home I do expect him to do the same as Kevin did last year, once he gets going you will see the real Edinburgh

6. Max Clegg - Away from home is still his big challenge and one he needs o conquer but I expect him to score heavily at home with the new rules

7. Max Bewley - As above lets give him a chance before totally deciding, perhaps if he gets in and gets some experience then comes back next year stronger then he could be another Kalle.

 

Anyone who went along on Sunday expecting to see the defending Premier League Championship misses the point of the rules of speedway and was kidding themselves on. The rules are built to prevent teams winning every season so we have over achieved in the last 5 years but had to be weaker this year and the gap left by Cookie means it is a period of transition. Last time that happened is when the Fish left to go full time PL and Cookie didn't turn out to be a bad replacement so very early days.

 

As I said before it looks difficult but no awards are handed out in April

[jenga]

who is MAX BEWLEY ?

[LunnasPerm]

He can't be any slower than Dan Bewley, that much I can guarantee.

[New era Panthers]

 

What a sad, sad view of things.

 

Edinburgh should be congratulated? I spent £17.50 to watch Glasgow compete with what I assumed were the Premier League defending champions, but instead I saw a side pieced together half-heartedly. Bewley is not ready for the Premier League, Etheridge caused two stoppages en route to scoring nothing, Clegg only beat Bewley and I'm almost certain Ryan Fisher's mind was on what to watch on Netflix when he got home, therefore I reserve the right to an honest opinion in which I won't dance around reality like a fairy and attempt to fluff it up.

 

Aye, well done, Edinburgh. While I'm at it, I'd like to pass my congratulations on to Aston Villa, too. Here's a shout out to Dundee United, as well.

It's not Edinburgh's fault that Glasgow are charging the over inflated price £17.50 to watch premier league speedway and I don't consider giving a 16 years old the chance to make a name for himself sad and before you accuse me of taking sides I'm completely neutral but I do believe the lad should be given a chance though.

[george.m]

My opinion for what it's worth.

With the exception of Dan Bewley, who I think we should all just be encouraging, is it's early doors yet to judge the performance of any rider this season, unless it's those with a track record of consistency who looked like they're carrying on from last year.

 

I'm seeing Embra fans on here saying its early doors when in defence of their riders, yet others making predictions about their riders based on beating a Glasgow one early doors in the season.

 

Hmm

[LunnasPerm]

It's not Edinburgh's fault that Glasgow are charging the over inflated price £17.50 to watch premier league speedway and I don't consider giving a 16 years old the chance to make a name for himself sad and before you accuse me of taking sides I'm completely neutral but I do believe the lad should be given a chance though.

 

Are you joking, or has that statement gone right over your head? I wasn't complaining about the cost, I was stating that my financial outlay entitled me to an opinion. So, in that respect, I agree with you; Edinburgh Monarchs are not at fault for the cost of my admission. You can't argue with that, NEP, a good point well put.

 

I wish Bewley all the best and I'm sure he'll develop into a fantastic rider. Premier League exposure will do him the world of good, long-term, but in the short-term, for Edinburgh as a club, it's a last minute, rushed appointment. After one lap on Sunday, I knew he required an exclusion or engine failure from another rider to pick up at least a point in that meeting.

 

If he picks up a point tomorrow night, I'll be surprised.

Edited April 7, 2016 by LunnasPerm