ColinMills Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 How many world titles did he win 3 I believe. 1 pairs 2 world team cups oops, someone beat me to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 He's already done more than half the 'greats' you listed and well on his way to surpassing most of the others. Jealousy is a very poor trait. Your mantra is the guys a 2 time world champion thus beyond any criticism Good to read Nigel Pearson's view in the local paper saying its not a disaster as we have got a great crop of youngsters coming through such as Ashley Morris ? This would be the same Nigel Pearson who is listed on Tai Woffinden's website as head of PR so what did you really expect.,so much for being an independent speedway journalist ! I'm narked by Woffinden feeling its too much trouble to make 3 visits to the country of your birth in a 7 month speedway season but 2 World Championships do tend to make you bombproof in the eyes of some on here, 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted April 1, 2016 Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 pathetic response from an uneducated fool. Guess you were ok with Peter Collins and Mark Loram missing finals as well then???? Or Scott Nicholls refusing to pull on the GB suit???? Mark wasn't even born in this country, missed a British Final yet somehow that is different!!!! The reasons for your comments are either you support a team that are direct rivals to Wolves so therefore have never liked him, or your simply not intelligent enough to realise he is British and are jumping on the bandwagon of some other morons who call him an Aussie What were the reasons for Mark Loram and Peter Collins missing the final? Genuine question, I am old enough that I should remember, I just can't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted April 1, 2016 Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 What were the reasons for Mark Loram and Peter Collins missing the final? Genuine question, I am old enough that I should remember, I just can't. Mark Loram messed up filling in a form so wasn't entered. Nobody at the BSPA/SCB thought to contact him and see why he had not filled it in! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted April 1, 2016 Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 Classic BSPA/SCB. Nowt to do with us gov. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted April 1, 2016 Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 Mark Loram messed up filling in a form so wasn't entered. Nobody at the BSPA/SCB thought to contact him and see why he had not filled it in! Your almost there. He did have to fill out a form but at the time he was struggling with an illness he got whilst snowboarding in the winter so his mind was elsewhere. He was omitted from the qualifying rounds because of this. They then offered him a route back in but Mark the gentleman he is declined it as it wasnt fair on everyone else.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waiheke1 Posted April 1, 2016 Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 What were the reasons for Mark Loram and Peter Collins missing the final? Genuine question, I am old enough that I should remember, I just can't.Pc was offered to be seeded direct to the ic final in 77 rather than racing in the British final, and he accepted.Rare example of a sensible decision from the powers that be. Not like 84 where England had too potential world champs, one (lee) given a ludicrous ban by the governing body and the other (carter) forced to ride the British semi final with a recently broken leg rather than being seeded. You'd like to think the bspa this year would have offered woffy one of the two seed slots, but after last year's failure to offer one to robert lambert I'm certainly not convinced they are that sensible... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted April 1, 2016 Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 Pc was offered to be seeded direct to the ic final in 77 rather than racing in the British final, and he accepted. Rare example of a sensible decision from the powers that be. Not like 84 where England had too potential world champs, one (lee) given a ludicrous ban by the governing body and the other (carter) forced to ride the British semi final with a recently broken leg rather than being seeded. You'd like to think the bspa this year would have offered woffy one of the two seed slots, but after last year's failure to offer one to robert lambert I'm certainly not convinced they are that sensible... Cheers for the history lesson, always interesting learning about the sport in decades gone by, especially the late 70s / early 80s when I was a speedway daft little boy. You would think it would be in the interests of the BSPA to try and get Tai to the final, his being there might put another couple of hundred on the gate. I suppose trying to put a positive slant on this now, it makes it a more open field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted April 1, 2016 Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 It would be an open field anyway, with it not being held at his home track. He only won it last year 'cause Garrity forgot his stabilizers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 1, 2016 Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 It would be an open field anyway, with it not being held at his home track. He only won it last year 'cause Garrity forgot his stabilizers. As I mentioned before you are right. Woffinden is unproven on bigger tracks. I'd love to see him try and win races away from Monmore too. Maybe in Poland, or how about Prague. What about Sweden. Ha! What a joke it would be. Away from Monmore Woffinden hasn't a clue. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 (edited) As I mentioned before you are right. Woffinden is unproven on bigger tracks. I'd love to see him try and win races away from Monmore too. Maybe in Poland, or how about Prague. What about Sweden. Ha! What a joke it would be. Away from Monmore Woffinden hasn't a clue. Glad we agree for once. I wouldn't say Woffinden is particularly poor on big tracks it's just Monmore has always given him an advantage results wise. I thought that was just my opinion but I've checked the home and away averages for the seasons before he ditched wolves and it shows his scoring was greater at "home". Edited April 2, 2016 by ouch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phillipsr Posted April 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 Glad we agree for once. I wouldn't say Woffinden is particularly poor on big tracks it's just Monmore has always given him an advantage results wise. Woffindens results on big tracks over the last few years has been better than small tracks, even the GPs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 Glad we agree for once. I wouldn't say Woffinden is particularly poor on big tracks it's just Monmore has always given him an advantage results wise. You should go on tour. Woffindens results on big tracks over the last few years has been better than small tracks, even the GPs Anyone who has any knowledge of speedway or isn't a troll knows that of course. Any Wolves fan will also tell you, Woffinden was never brilliant at Monmore, ever. He could ride it of course, he's a world class rider, but he was no expert, especially at overtaking, as the likes of the Karlssons, Lindgren, Ermolenko etc were at their best. I would 100% give Chris Harris, Scott Nicholls and even Craig Cook a better chance of beating him at Monmore than at a bigger track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 I wasn't discussing big and small tracks I was discussing Monmore and a n other - surely you got that? I amended my original post after checking figures but don't let facts getting in the way of a biased opinion. Seems the default for this forum now a days. Sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 (edited) I wasn't discussing big and small tracks I was discussing Monmore and a n other - surely you got that? I amended my original post after checking figures but don't let facts getting in the way of a biased opinion. Seems the default for this forum now a days. Sad. If you're talking facts, then you'd realise Monmore isn't his home track. Secondly, my opinion isn't biased. I would state that the best opportunity that riders such as Nicholls, Harris, Cook and even Garrity would have to beat Woffinden is on a small track like Monmore, one at which both Nicholls and Harris in particular excel at. At a big track like Belle Vue, if Woffinden brought his GP bikes, they wouldn't get anywhere close. Edited April 2, 2016 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 You should go on tour. Anyone who has any knowledge of speedway or isn't a troll knows that of course. Any Wolves fan will also tell you, Woffinden was never brilliant at Monmore, ever. He could ride it of course, he's a world class rider, but he was no expert, especially at overtaking, as the likes of the Karlssons, Lindgren, Ermolenko etc were at their best. I would 100% give Chris Harris, Scott Nicholls and even Craig Cook a better chance of beating him at Monmore than at Agree with 99% of your post, for me Ward & olsen were the all time masters of coming from the back at Monmore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 Not his home track. Pedantic but predictable. Riders get better results at their home track. Anyone who has any knowledge of speedway or isn't a troll knows that of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 Not his home track. Pedantic but predictable. Riders get better results at their home track. Anyone who has any knowledge of speedway or isn't a troll knows that of course. Im not a Wolves fan, Im not massively a huge Woffinden fan but you are talking out of your backside. Most home riders have a knowledge of how to set their bikes up better than their opponents. If you think Tai was superb at Monmore than you are very wrong. Put the British Final on a big track and the likes of Harris and Cook wouldnt see which way he went. With it being at Monmore it was their best chance of beating him, only a fool would say otherwise. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 Agree with 99% of your post, for me Ward & olsen were the all time masters of coming from the back at Monmore Too young to have seen Olsen but heard the stories. Ward was exceptional as well, I wouldn't say he was any more dominant than some of the ones I mentioned were at their best, but was certainly up there. Sadly Ouch will continue to troll with his nonsense though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted April 2, 2016 Report Share Posted April 2, 2016 Everyday is a learning day and after decades of following the sport I'm always prepared to learn something new. Riders don't get better results on their home track. I concede and point taken. Sorry if I came over as a troll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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