speedibee Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 Hilarious! Is this the system that other British riders are crying out has been awful. Is this the system that British fans have been slagging off for years. Is this the system that has produced countless World Class British riders? Oh wait... No, Woffinden is where he is because of Woffinden. What is this compensation clause you speak off, or have you simply made that up? (I know the answer, but just giving you a chance). This one , http://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/teenager-s-dream-blighted-by-250-000-sheffield-wednesday-claim-1-7681937. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted April 1, 2016 Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 (edited) Bit different, he and his kit are already there! Rubbish excuse. He has equipment in Sweden ge could bring over. What would he bring to the SWC or GP? And if he doesn't, about 20 x as many fans will have a far bigger right to be annoyed. You are forgetting his excuse is he doesn't want to be burnt out. I assume he wouldn't do that meeting either. Plus the team name is Rest of the World surely they can find 7 riders that will competitive and attractive enough to ride against the Polish national team without Tai. Tai is British and the captain he should honour his national commitments so if he does then ride in a glorified friendly its not about being burnt out its about money. Also isnt there wildcards to the British Final anyway? Not sure Tai would accept a wildcard anyway with GP Saturday, Pol Sun, British Final Monday and Swe Tuesday. Edited April 1, 2016 by woz01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 1, 2016 Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 This one , http://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/teenager-s-dream-blighted-by-250-000-sheffield-wednesday-claim-1-7681937. Lol. Thought youd come up with that.. Totally irrelevant to speedway.. And not in the slightest applicable to woffinden. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vince Posted April 1, 2016 Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 Rubbish excuse. He has equipment in Sweden ge could bring over. What would he bring to the SWC or GP? SWC my guess is his GP bikes. So now his equipment has to be driven from Sweden to a British qualifier, how much do you think that will cost? Far from a rubbish excuse for a professional rider it's the most sensible reason possible. Add in the possibility of injury riding in a qualifier immediately before a GP and I think he would be mad to do anything other than what he is doing. If it's so important for British Speedway to have the World Champion at the British final then perhaps it should be A: scheduled more sensibly in relation to the GP's and B: Have GP riders seeded direct to the final. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave the Mic Posted April 1, 2016 Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 meal token for 2 at any McDonalds and 50 p cash yes you are , and by the way footballers footballers are contracted by clubs turn play and go home , do you think rooney could just walk away from Manchester united and go and play for barcelona ? or someone decides he no longer want to play for acrrinton stanley second reserves and wants to plahy sunday league ? Yes. Once his contract expires he can play for who he wants. If they want him, that is. I personally think he should reimburse british speedway for all the training he had while being paid in our leagues , if it wasn't for british speedway woffinden would still be scratching round in the outback riding for trophies . we need to stop the flow of carpet baggers from all Non Eu countries by making them sign a compensation clause , hancock for instance should be made to pay his £30,000 transfer fee back to Coventry or be barred from riding elsewhere I'm not sure I have ever seen more stupid posts than yours. Why was Tai not eligible for Aus? He lived here in Aus most of his life, i know people out here who have been in aus well under a decade and are aussie citizens with aussie passports . He had a choice to represent either uk or aus. At the time, aus had plenty of better riders in the gps and swc. The uk didnt, and he saw this and used it as an advantage to gain access to the gps and world cup squad. Anyone who cant see this is deluded. All this bollocks about him not being able to represent australia is nonsense The only delusion here is yours. If you "know" the point you state in your second paragraph as fact, prove it. If not, get over yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted April 1, 2016 Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 It's strange how so many people get so stroppy about British sportsmen links to another coutry. I remember the same sort of comments about 'choosing Britain for his own advantage' being directed towards Lennox Lewis. If it's such an advantage, how come Jason Crump and Nick Morris never chose it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted April 1, 2016 Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 (edited) Hilarious! Is this the system that other British riders are crying out has been awful. Is this the system that British fans have been slagging off for years. Is this the system that has produced countless World Class British riders? Oh wait... No, Woffinden is where he is because of Woffinden. It's a system that had nearly made every World Champion ...without our leagues people Woffy ,Holder ,Crump etc would never have been world champions ....just like Woffy when they need us at the start there is no slagging off it's only when they moved on to better that that it's somehow crap etc etc . It's a fact without the wildcard he got because he choose to ride for gb he would not have been World Champion that year ..we open all the doors for him . If it's such an advantage, how come Jason Crump and Nick Morris never chose it? Not everyone has the morals i guess some people have pride and want ride for there nation ....other go's for the money It never amazes me just how ridiculous some of the things you say are.... keep them coming! Quick question though, if the British system is so great.. where's the other British riders? Your son should be a top star by now! Or perhaps there are other reasons.... Quick question for you if it's so poor ..why don't likes of Holder Woffy and Ward start in Poland and Sweden then ? Edited April 1, 2016 by orion 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted April 1, 2016 Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 It's strange how so many people get so stroppy about British sportsmen links to another coutry. I remember the same sort of comments about 'choosing Britain for his own advantage' being directed towards Lennox Lewis. If it's such an advantage, how come Jason Crump and Nick Morris never chose it? Even the Current English Cricket team is full of 'Overseas' players. Lords don't seem to have any problems with it. I remember all the kick up back in the day when Zola Budd became 'British' what a damp squid that was. Look at the Number of Overseas Managers England have had recently in Football. As a Foreigner you can manage a National Team But you cant play for one. Why ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepturningleft Posted April 1, 2016 Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 Greg Rusedski the only 'English' tennis player with a thick Canadian accent! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted April 1, 2016 Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 This one , http://www.thestar.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-wednesday/teenager-s-dream-blighted-by-250-000-sheffield-wednesday-claim-1-7681937. That, as you will know assuming you've read it, is a procedure for settling compensation between employers (the football clubs) in the event of an employee (footballer) breaking a contract. I still await an answer to the question I posed earlier requesting information on any contract broken by Woffinden. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted April 1, 2016 Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 (edited) It's strange how so many people get so stroppy about British sportsmen links to another coutry. I remember the same sort of comments about 'choosing Britain for his own advantage' being directed towards Lennox Lewis. If it's such an advantage, how come Jason Crump and Nick Morris never chose it? jason crump didnt need to because he was good enough to qualify for the GPand the aussie team on merit , and Morris claimed to be british rode in the national league then after he had made use of that decided he was Australian Edited April 1, 2016 by speedibee 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 1, 2016 Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 pretty much like everything you post on the BSF , still it must be difficult not to type complete bollox with your foot stuck in your mouth , and fourentees tongue tickling your arsehole Ah bless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted April 1, 2016 Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 (edited) jason crump didnt need to because he was good enough to qualify for the GPand the aussie team on merit , and Morris claimed to be british rode in the national league then after he had made use of that decided he was Australian Crump claimed to be British too when he started, coming in as a British junior. So those two both used their British roots to their advantage, before becoming Australian once it suited. Woffinden never. He remained British. So either he saw himsef as more British than Australian, or he wasn't eligible to be Australian. I agree with Orion that he almost certainly wouldn't have been World Champion in 2014 had he been Australian, but I don't really see that this would have had a bearing on any decisions he or his family made earlier in his career if such choices were there to be made. Woffinden is a double Wotld Champion. He's good enough by now to have got in the World Championship without the Wild Cards. Anyone who can win World titles would have enough faith in their own ability not to be too bothered about wild cards and the like, I'm sure. Edited April 1, 2016 by grachan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted April 1, 2016 Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 Crump claimed to be British too when he started, coming in as a British junior. So those two both used their British roots to their advantage, before becoming Australian once it suited. Woffinden never. He remained British. so either he saw himsef as more British than Australian, or he wasn't eligible to be British. I agree with Orion that he almost certainly wouldn't have been World Champion in 2014 had he been Australian, but I don't really see that this would have had a bearing on any decisions he or his family made earlier in his career if such choices were there to be made. Woffinden is a double Wotld Champion. He's good enough by now to have got in the World Championship without the Wild Cards. Anyone who can win World titles would have enough faith in teir own ability not to be too bothered about wild cards and the like, I'm sure. he wouldnt have been able to ride for Scunthorpe in the National league for 2 years as an Aussie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted April 1, 2016 Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 (edited) I remember when Woffinden first came onto the scene. He was every bit as Jason Crump was at that age. I even made the effort to go to Scunthorpe once just to see him because I was so impressed. he wouldnt have been able to ride for Scunthorpe in the National league for 2 years as an Aussie. No. But he could have done what Crump did. Start as a British rider and then switch. Nick Morris may well have done the same, but I don't know. Edited April 1, 2016 by grachan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted April 1, 2016 Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 (edited) I remember when Woffinden first came onto the scene. He was every bit as Jason Crump was at that age. I even made the effort to go to Scunthorpe once just to see him because I was so impressed. No. But he could have done what Crump did. Start as a British rider and then switch. Nick Morris may well have done the same, but I don't know. If he was so good ,why 2 years in national league , not straight into premier , and of course his first wild Card In 2010 was a complete waste finished 14th and failed to qualify for 2011 from the Gp challenge , wildcarded at cardiff 2011 2 points Edited April 1, 2016 by speedibee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted April 1, 2016 Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 he wouldnt have been able to ride for Scunthorpe in the National league for 2 years as an Aussie. Woffinden, Crump, Holder, Adams, Ward etc were all far better than the overwhelming majority of British riders before they even set foot on these shores so it's hardly the British system that has 'trained them'. You see some have the ability, the drive, the determination to succeed.. Others don't and have parents bitching and moaning and blaming everyone else for the rest of their lives. Not mentioning any names of course If he was so good ,why 2 years in national league , not straight into premier , lol.. because he was 15 and wasn't allowed to ride in the Premier League. As soon as he was old enough he rode in the Premier League. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted April 1, 2016 Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 (edited) If he was so good ,why 2 years in national league , not straight into premier , Crump also had 2 years in the bottom tier. Peterborough in 1992 and Swindon in 1993. I remember Woffinden riding at Sheffield in his first season and he was like a little ball of dynamite! I'd never heard of him. He came in at reserve (I can't remember if it was for or against Sheffield) and looked very impressive for a 16 year old. When he first appeared he looked every inch a future World Champion to me. Then he rather dropped off the radar for a bit - possibly due to the problems in his family - and was very much a shock winner in 2014. lol.. because he was 15 and wasn't allowed to ride in the Premier League. As soon as he was old enough he rode in the Premier League. And this too I guess. Edited April 1, 2016 by grachan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted April 1, 2016 Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 Why was Tai not eligible for Aus? He lived here in Aus most of his life, i know people out here who have been in aus well under a decade and are aussie citizens with aussie passports . He had a choice to represent either uk or aus. At the time, aus had plenty of better riders in the gps and swc. The uk didnt, and he saw this and used it as an advantage to gain access to the gps and world cup squad. Anyone who cant see this is deluded. All this bollocks about him not being able to represent australia is nonsense So you are suggesting that Tai chose GB because he was worried he wouldnt get in the gp's. Stop talking claptrap. He would back himself to do anything he is that confident. Who was the Aussie squad when Tai made his decision then? Crump, Adams, Sullivan? 3 riders who would have been retiring not long after Tai came through then basically a young Holder. Your quite correct saying Tai could have choose GB or Australia but to say he chose GB to get an easier route in is absolute rubbish 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted April 1, 2016 Report Share Posted April 1, 2016 Yes. Once his contract expires he can play for who he wants. If they want him, that is. I'm not sure I have ever seen more stupid posts than yours. The only delusion here is yours. If you "know" the point you state in your second paragraph as fact, prove it. If not, get over yourself. well thanks for enlightening me Dave the prick , I had no idea Football clubs paid Up to £130.000.000 for a player then just let them walk away and play for someone else , no wonder many of them are in financial difficulty if their assets are depreciating at £40.000.000 a year . makes Hancocks transfer fee to Coventry look proper peanuts , and considering he stayed for 5 years they only lost 6,000 a year when he waved goodbye and sailed off to Poland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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