ColinMills Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 does anyone the the prize fund for the brit title? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New Science Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 (edited) If the BSPA had offered to seed Woffinden directly to the final and he had turned it down then I could understand a degree of disappointment/displeasure aimed at him. As it stands, the BSPA have arranged the British semi-finals either side of a GP. There isn't a cat in hells chance that Woffinden should even consider riding in the semi on the Friday night before, that would be ludicrous. On the Sunday afterwards there is a meeting arranged for those who suffered through the debacle of Warsaw last year. No doubt Woffinden is either contracted, or under heavy pressure to ride in that. Of course, he could disappoint 50,000 fans and let them down by not bothering. As for those saying if he can ride on Sunday in Poland, he can ride in the UK and it makes no difference.. are you serious? He is already in Warsaw, as are his bikes.. the meeting is at the same stadium! If the two things were related you might have a point, but they're not. The argument is we don't need Woffinden for the national team... how do foreign riders fit into that argument? "Nicki Pedersen is prioritising other countries over the UK! Don't pick him for Team GB!"... afraid to say, even on this forum, nobody has been dumb enough to argue such a thing... so your 'lack of consistency argument' doesn't really work. No where in Buster Chapmnans statement does it insist that Woffinden must ride in the semis. There are 2 wild cards for the final. There is'nt a problem which can't be overcome as long as there is willing on both sides Edited March 31, 2016 by New Science 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 Whichever side of the fence you fall on , would it not make sense now that a few have learned their craft here then turned their backs , to have a compensation clause as they do in football , so when the likes of woffinden choose to quit british speedway , they have to reimburse british speedway , or be banned riding elsewhere , Reimburse British speedway for what, exactly? Riders are contracted by clubs, turn up, ride, get paid, go home. Am I missing something? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 (edited) does anyone the the prize fund for the brit title? meal token for 2 at any McDonalds and 50 p cash Reimburse British speedway for what, exactly? Riders are contracted by clubs, turn up, ride, get paid, go home. Am I missing something? yes you are , and by the way footballers footballers are contracted by clubs turn play and go home , do you think rooney could just walk away from Manchester united and go and play for barcelona ? or someone decides he no longer want to play for acrrinton stanley second reserves and wants to plahy sunday league ? Edited March 31, 2016 by speedibee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 does anyone the the prize fund for the brit title? Good question but money shouldn't come into it when you are in the British final, that in itself is a massive honour . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 (edited) Reimburse British speedway for what, exactly? Riders are contracted by clubs, turn up, ride, get paid, go home. Am I missing something? The system and the wildcard made him the rider he is and the riches that came with it ...Reimburse is the wrong word ...but he should have a sense of duty seeing where speedway is going in the uk and try to help out as much as he can as the uk's top rider and World champion . Edited March 31, 2016 by orion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 meal token for 2 at any McDonalds and 50 p cash yes you are , Enlighten me then! The system and the wildcard made him the rider he is and the riches that came with it ...Reimburse is the wrong word ...but he should have a sense of duty to seeing where speedway is going in the uk and try to help out as much as he can as the uk's top rider and World champion . I'm with you on the second part. As to the first, I think what made Woffinden the rider he is is, simply, Woffinden. I don't know that those riches looked too apparent when Tai was slogging round the country looking for second-half rides. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 Good question but money shouldn't come into it when you are in the British final, that in itself is a massive honour . lets be honest here, if the carrot was big enough, Tai would of been in the line up. Forget his "schedule", riders do this all the time. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 The system and the wildcard made him the rider he is and the riches that came with it ...Reimburse is the wrong word ...but he should have a sense of duty seeing where speedway is going in the uk and try to help out as much as he can as the uk's top rider and World champion . Hilarious! Is this the system that other British riders are crying out has been awful. Is this the system that British fans have been slagging off for years. Is this the system that has produced countless World Class British riders? Oh wait... No, Woffinden is where he is because of Woffinden. Whichever side of the fence you fall on , would it not make sense now that a few have learned their craft here then turned their backs , to have a compensation clause as they do in football , so when the likes of woffinden choose to quit british speedway , they have to reimburse british speedway , or be banned riding elsewhere , What is this compensation clause you speak off, or have you simply made that up? (I know the answer, but just giving you a chance). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 Enlighten me then! I'm with you on the second part. As to the first, I think what made Woffinden the rider he is is, simply, Woffinden. I don't know that those riches looked too apparent when Tai was slogging round the country looking for second-half rides. No work it out for yourself , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 yes you are , and by the way footballers footballers are contracted by clubs turn play and go home , do you think rooney could just walk away from Manchester united and go and play for barcelona ? or someone decides he no longer want to play for acrrinton stanley second reserves and wants to plahy sunday league ? Yes, when Rooney's contract is up he can walk away from Manchester United and go and play for Barcelona if he wishes. Why do you think he can't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruiser McHuge Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 To be honest I'm not sure how people on here seem to know Woffinden's intentions when he came over as a 15 year old...personally I just think he came over as a speedway rider trying to see how good he was and how far he could get..I would be surprised if he even gave a thought of riding for England or Australia at that stage...that was far further down the line. Personally I think it's inevitable that Tai feels Australian...my brother in law rode against Rob in Perth every week and Tai was in the pits from bdeing a little kid..he was brought up there.its his home so im sure he feels Australian ..but he was born.in England ton English parents so he is definitely entitled to ride for England....I think if he really wanted he could have become Australian..the cricketer Andrew Symonds was born in England to English to English parents and moved to Australia as a young child and he said he never wanted to.play for England as he was Australian....anyway for whatever reasons he didn't and came to England but I don't think he had a masterplan at 15 about his future..he just wanted to ride speedway ...I think.people look into it all too deeply...he is English with English parents who feels Australian because of his upbringing..that's about it.. I do feel though in many ways he owes the British public and British speedway and should ride the final...it's certainly nothing to do with burnout but the effort of bringing his full equipment and crewe over is obviously not worth it in his eyes which is a great shame but he isn't going to ride without his best set up and the timings probably make that very difficult ..but it's an individual sport and all riders look.after themselves but it's a shame for the fans that somehow something couldn't have been sorted ..after all despite many people's views Tai is currently a special case and should be treated as so bt the British authorities. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 The system and the wildcard made him the rider he is and the riches that came with it ...Reimburse is the wrong word ...but he should have a sense of duty seeing where speedway is going in the uk and try to help out as much as he can as the uk's top rider and World champion . I personally think he should reimburse british speedway for all the training he had while being paid in our leagues , if it wasn't for british speedway woffinden would still be scratching round in the outback riding for trophies . we need to stop the flow of carpet baggers from all Non Eu countries by making them sign a compensation clause , hancock for instance should be made to pay his £30,000 transfer fee back to Coventry or be barred from riding elsewhere 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 (edited) I personally think he should reimburse british speedway for all the training he had while being paid in our leagues , if it wasn't for british speedway woffinden would still be scratching round in the outback riding for trophies . we need to stop the flow of carpet baggers from all Non Eu countries by making them sign a compensation clause , hancock for instance should be made to pay his £30,000 transfer fee back to Coventry or be barred from riding elsewhere It never amazes me just how ridiculous some of the things you say are.... keep them coming! Quick question though, if the British system is so great.. where's the other British riders? Your son should be a top star by now! Or perhaps there are other reasons.... Edited March 31, 2016 by BWitcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 To be honest I'm not sure how people on here seem to know Woffinden's intentions when he came over as a 15 year old...personally I just think he came over as a speedway rider trying to see how good he was and how far he could get..I would be surprised if he even gave a thought of riding for England or Australia at that stage...that was far further down the line. Personally I think it's inevitable that Tai feels Australian...my brother in law rode against Rob in Perth every week and Tai was in the pits from bdeing a little kid..he was brought up there.its his home so im sure he feels Australian ..but he was born.in England ton English parents so he is definitely entitled to ride for England....I think if he really wanted he could have become Australian..the cricketer Andrew Symonds was born in England to English to English parents and moved to Australia as a young child and he said he never wanted to.play for England as he was Australian....anyway for whatever reasons he didn't and came to England but I don't think he had a masterplan at 15 about his future..he just wanted to ride speedway ...I think.people look into it all too deeply...he is English with English parents who feels Australian because of his upbringing..that's about it.. I do feel though in many ways he owes the British public and British speedway and should ride the final...it's certainly nothing to do with burnout but the effort of bringing his full equipment and crewe over is obviously not worth it in his eyes which is a great shame but he isn't going to ride without his best set up and the timings probably make that very difficult ..but it's an individual sport and all riders look.after themselves but it's a shame for the fans that somehow something couldn't have been sorted ..after all despite many people's views Tai is currently a special case and should be treated as so bt the British authorities. If he wanted to be Australian he shouldn't have ridden in the national league , nor accepted the british wildcard into the GP . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 nice post brian, and think you correct in saying "timing isn't good" and "cost of bringing crew with him", I get that. I don't accept this one match would effect his title bid one iota. I don't accept this schedule argument either, riders do this all the time. I do believe the carrot isn't big enough to entice him over here. Because I have never EVER knocked woffy before yesterday, doesn't mean someone should never be questioned when things don't ring true. Until yesterday I was un-aware of his arrogance, his statement of "done more than any rider will in next 10 yrs" is arrogance beyond belief. Whilst its his business, I personally don't get why a rider would sell medals either? but that bit is his business, but in my mind professional sportsman should strive for medals, even if its to hand over to his off-spring. I think its a financial decision hes turned down the Brit Final, but its easier for PR purpose to say "schedule" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 No work it out for yourself , The last resort of a man without a cogent argument. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 Yes, when Rooney's contract is up he can walk away from Manchester United and go and play for Barcelona if he wishes. Why do you think he can't? So when can a rider walk away from a 12 month contract ? The problem with England is that anyone can represent this country in sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 Woffinden wasn't eligible for Australia. It's that simple. That is where your childlike ignorance comes in. You've been told this many times, I've no doubt you actually know this, but prefer to ignore it to try and score points. Anyway, I hope the posts keep coming in from yourself and others abusing Woffinden for this decision as you are effectively abusing Peter Collins as well, you can't have one without the other... unless of course the real reason is nothing at all to do with being upset he is missing the British Final but purely a xenophobic hatred because Woffinden has the country he spent his childhood in close to his heart. As for your references to Wolves.. the keyword there is 'rode'.. he doesn't anymore, he's left Wolves in the lurch so why that would make me show allegiance to him is beyond me. If a rider is worthy of criticising, I'll criticise them, regardless of whom they rode for, Wolves riders are no exception. Why was Tai not eligible for Aus? He lived here in Aus most of his life, i know people out here who have been in aus well under a decade and are aussie citizens with aussie passports . He had a choice to represent either uk or aus. At the time, aus had plenty of better riders in the gps and swc. The uk didnt, and he saw this and used it as an advantage to gain access to the gps and world cup squad. Anyone who cant see this is deluded. All this bollocks about him not being able to represent australia is nonsense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fourentee Posted March 31, 2016 Report Share Posted March 31, 2016 yes you are , and by the way footballers footballers are contracted by clubs turn play and go home , do you think rooney could just walk away from Manchester united and go and play for barcelona ? or someone decides he no longer want to play for acrrinton stanley second reserves and wants to plahy sunday league ? Just remind me what contract Woffinden has broken, please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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