uk_martin Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 What I said on the other thread - http://www.speedway-forum.co.uk/forums/index.php?showtopic=81167&page=20&do=findComment&comment=2752304 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Not us.. No way Jose.... All Belle Vue this.... They are at fault, only them.. Tracks may now suffer because of what Belle Vue (not us by the way) did.... Big enquiry, that's what's needed, cannot allow Speedway meetings to be so poorly planned and delivered (even if nothing to do with us).. Cannot have Speedway ran this way, no, not at all... First Big meeting of the season as well... Should have given the sport a great boost at the start of the new season like when we organised the ELRC at Cov in 2014, errrr, hang on a mo.. Scrap that... I mean a boost like when Poole qualified for the Play Offs when they got to heat ten at Belle Vue then called the meeting off, no hang on again, scratch that an all... Oh here we are... A boost like, oh sod it, the bloody generator broke down that night I seem to remember.. Anyhow Let's make it clear.. It wasn't us.... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 I wasn't sure how long it would take for Poole to be accused as being at fault?! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedwaysliders Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 complete shamles,and now with the bspa comment "a complete and utter bulls up" Its most proberly correct what buster is saying,but come on,building the stadium from scratch to its very first meeting,surely the bspa would have a vested interest in speedway as a whole in the uk to get this project right.I really cant understand where buster is coming from,the bspa should have been bending over backwards to get this right in the interest of overall speedway in this country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 I clicked on this thread with a certain trepidation having read the statement (and many comments - including some from past promoters!) on Facebook. As far as the statement goes, I feel it could have been much better worded and thought-through. For any association to totally blame one of its members and not offer its support and assistance in attempting to sort things out is not on - wherever the faults lay. As Phil the Ace says above, if the event had gone ahead without any problems, the BSPA would have been applauding one of their member clubs and be standing alongside them for all the congrats. As sorry as I feel for everyone that was there, I feel particularly sad for all the Aces fans. I'l go one step further. I feel extreamly sad for the BV fans and the neutral fans that turned up. Total incompetence, no other word to describe it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 It's almost as though Chapman has some sort of axe to grind wih the National Stadium.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lucifer sam Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 It's almost as though Chapman has some sort of axe to grind wih the National Stadium.... It makes me wonder if he warned BV that the track wouldn't be ready in time, and they ignored him. All the best Rob 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERACE Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 It's almost as though Chapman has some sort of axe to grind wih the National Stadium.... Why would he unless he owned his own stadium that could lose big meetings. Oh hang on 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damosuzuki Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 http://bellevueaces.co/newsitem.aspx?id=1644 Batter in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 FURIOUS Belle Vue Chief Executive Officer David Gordon hit back at the criticism which followed the disastrous abandonment of Saturdays inaugural meeting at the new National Stadium, saying: This was NOT our fault. Gordon and Chris Morton had to face a sell-out crowd to say the Peter Craven Memorial Trophy meeting had been called off after riders said the track wasnt safe following a practice session. They were locked in an emergency meeting early on Monday with the Manchester City Council Project Team and stadium builders, ISG, to discuss what went wrong and what was to happen next. Gordon stressed that all aspects of the stadium construction , including the laying of the track, were carried out under the stadium build contract. Belle Vues only responsibility was the erection of the safety fence, a specialist operation, which it was agreed would be done by track curator Colin Meredith. Gordon said: There was a problem with the sub base of the track around the third and fourth bends which was recently completed. there were contractors workmen and machines out there first thing on Monday working to correct the problems." Track work commenced early this morning We had internal meetings on Sunday and meetings with the Council and the building contractors on Monday. The whole investigation process into what happened is ongoing. We will not comment until everything has been clarified. The fact of the matter is that we didnt receive what we were supposed to receive. I cannot stress too much that we did not build this track, it was the responsibility of third parties and it was not fit for purpose. We tried our best to get this meeting on but we were let down by circumstances beyond our control. We are now in serious dialogue with all concerned." The contractors, who are not under our instructions, were working on the track first thing on Monday morning. The Belle Vue track curator is out there giving them advice and we hope his experience will help them get it put right. Gordon added: The riders reaction not to race was understandable. The track was not raceable and how do you tell them not to race? The work on the track will be reviewed by the stadium project team hourly and we will take a decision at 9am on Wednesday about whether or not we can run Fridays home meeting against Wolverhampton. If the remedial work is successful completed and tested then we will race. We will be making a separate statement about re-staging and refunds for Saturday when we have taken advice about the contractual obligations that the other parties are subject to. Asked about a Promoters Association statement blaming Belle Vue for what happened, Gordon said: No comment. I wouldnt make a statement like the BSPA have until I was in receipt of the full facts of the matter. He concluded: Belle Vue Speedway are not to blame for Saturdays disaster. Other parties need to accept their responsibility and deal with the consequences. FURIOUS Belle Vue Chief Executive Officer David Gordon hit back at the criticism which followed the disastrous abandonment of Saturdays inaugural meeting at the new National Stadium, saying: This was NOT our fault. Gordon and Chris Morton had to face a sell-out crowd to say the Peter Craven Memorial Trophy meeting had been called off after riders said the track wasnt safe following a practice session. They were locked in an emergency meeting early on Monday with the Manchester City Council Project Team and stadium builders, ISG, to discuss what went wrong and what was to happen next. Gordon stressed that all aspects of the stadium construction , including the laying of the track, were carried out under the stadium build contract. Belle Vues only responsibility was the erection of the safety fence, a specialist operation, which it was agreed would be done by track curator Colin Meredith. Gordon said: There was a problem with the sub base of the track around the third and fourth bends which was recently completed. there were contractors workmen and machines out there first thing on Monday working to correct the problems." Track work commenced early this morning We had internal meetings on Sunday and meetings with the Council and the building contractors on Monday. The whole investigation process into what happened is ongoing. We will not comment until everything has been clarified. The fact of the matter is that we didnt receive what we were supposed to receive. I cannot stress too much that we did not build this track, it was the responsibility of third parties and it was not fit for purpose. We tried our best to get this meeting on but we were let down by circumstances beyond our control. We are now in serious dialogue with all concerned." The contractors, who are not under our instructions, were working on the track first thing on Monday morning. The Belle Vue track curator is out there giving them advice and we hope his experience will help them get it put right. Gordon added: The riders reaction not to race was understandable. The track was not raceable and how do you tell them not to race? The work on the track will be reviewed by the stadium project team hourly and we will take a decision at 9am on Wednesday about whether or not we can run Fridays home meeting against Wolverhampton. If the remedial work is successful completed and tested then we will race. We will be making a separate statement about re-staging and refunds for Saturday when we have taken advice about the contractual obligations that the other parties are subject to. Asked about a Promoters Association statement blaming Belle Vue for what happened, Gordon said: No comment. I wouldnt make a statement like the BSPA have until I was in receipt of the full facts of the matter. He concluded: Belle Vue Speedway are not to blame for Saturdays disaster. Other parties need to accept their responsibility and deal with the consequences. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blazeaway Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Not their fault? Who employed the contractors to build the track? Surely the building of a track is equally as specialist as the erecting of the airfence? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Ace Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Not their fault? Who employed the contractors to build the track? Surely the building of a track is equally as specialist as the erecting of the airfence? Manchester city council employed the contractors 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuxtonTiger Posted March 21, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 (edited) A stunning reply from Mr Gordon - if I was speechless after Buster's outburst, I am now laid on my back legs in the air laughing. If only it was not true!! Edited March 21, 2016 by BuxtonTiger 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damosuzuki Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 I'd assume the issue of compensation is going to be fought out in the courts. His statement has to be unequivocal, otherwise it will be cast up as evidence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 (edited) I like DG.... He seems to stand his corner and take no 'Barry White' off anyone if he feels it necessary.... Be interesting to see whose fault it is eventually.... As with most things Speedway my money is on Poole being accused by most on here.... Quite right what he said re the BSPA statement... Very amateurish for an alleged professional organisation to include emotional supposition in any official statement rather than just sticking to the facts known at the current time... Personal opinion and conjecture has no part in any such statement yet this is what we have.... Popcorn time I think looking at DG's response... Edited March 21, 2016 by mikebv 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steveace1971 Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Well said Mr Gordon, put the jealous BSPA wallies in their place. They couldn't get their statement out fast enough. If it's nowt to do wi' you then keep yer nose out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
semion Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 The fans who purchased tickets for this Non event have a contract with Belle Vue Speedway not the contractors. It is up to Morton and Gordon to issue a statement advising people of refunds etc. Not wait to see if the Contractors are going to pay them out for any loses, both in terms of revenue and goodwill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 (edited) Just when you think Belle Vue can't stoop any lower, out comes that utter crock of **** of a statement. Initially I thought the BSPA were out of line, but it's pretty apparent now they'd realised Belle Vue weren't prepared to accept any responsibility at all and felt it was right to distance themselves from them appropriately. Haven't they been telling us all winter how the track was the most important thing and how they'd be working tirelessly to make sure it was the very best? Now they suddenly claim they had nothing to do with it and just left it in the hands of an outside body with no knowledge of producing a speedway track. Edited March 21, 2016 by BWitcher 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Seems crazy.If contractors do work then they have to have it inspected and accepted.Surely this procedure should have been done well before the meeting was due to take place?They had a practice on the track and the two riders said it was good,the BV management went ahead with the meeting.When it all goes t#ts up they start blaming others instead of looking hard in the mirror.They must have 1 or 2 track experts who could see it wasn't up to scratch or what was the point of travelling around Europe looking at tracks etc...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OveFundinFan Posted March 21, 2016 Report Share Posted March 21, 2016 Just watched a video that someone posted of the pre meeting practice by riders, this one I think was Nicki P. Maybe he was first on, but the track looked ok. Maybe it cut up as more did there 4 lap practice. Any more videos to add to that? Was any one on here at the meet on Saturday night - sure there will be - what was the track like during the latter stages of the practice ??? Going to be an interesting season of speedway in the UK. From what has been posted on here in the last few months/years some tracks certainly are rough, more then one having resident porholes. The riders have set a standard (at BV) last Saturday - can all promotors in the UK stand up and at least equal that standard??? Thats why it will be an interesting season. Surely, if BV are at an away track and it cuts up equal or worse then BV last Saturdayand BV consider it too dangerous then its meeting off. Any rider contracted to ride at BV last Saturday (but withheld their service due to dangerous track) would have to do the same. That's why it will be an interesting season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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