BluPanther Posted March 27, 2016 Report Share Posted March 27, 2016 Isn't Newman currently in Poland at the moment and riding tomorrow for Pila in their fist league meeting of the season? Which Polish team is Garrity riding for this season? He must have one as in your opinion he is way better than Newman. The Polish clubs must have been ringing his phone off the hook. Your assesmentnof Garrity over Newman is absolutely miles off target. Kyle will be up in the team in the next rew weeks and gaining further experience. A team rider who put his local club first even though he wanted to be in the 1-5. Can the same be said of Garrity, who I hold no grudge and want to succeed? His determination to be in the Coventry 1-5 has cost his club any chance of trophies this season. Or is Newman much more Got to agree with that. Surely someone explained to Garrity that he would probably be in the 1-5 after a handful of meetings anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted March 27, 2016 Report Share Posted March 27, 2016 Isn't Newman currently in Poland at the moment and riding tomorrow for Pila in their fist league meeting of the season? Which Polish team is Garrity riding for this season? He must have one as in your opinion he is way better than Newman. The Polish clubs must have been ringing his phone off the hook. Your assesmentnof Garrity over Newman is absolutely miles off target. Kyle will be up in the team in the next rew weeks and gaining further experience. A team rider who put his local club first even though he wanted to be in the 1-5. Can the same be said of Garrity, who I hold no grudge and want to succeed? His determination to be in the Coventry 1-5 has cost his club any chance of trophies this season. Or is Newman much more yes he got a shot in poland , and well done ......but if he dont deliver over there they arent slow to give you the push newman has had 2 yrs more experience than garrity, as newman 24 and garritys 22, so time is on garritys side 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted March 27, 2016 Report Share Posted March 27, 2016 Got to agree with that. Surely someone explained to Garrity that he would probably be in the 1-5 after a handful of meetings anyway I personally admire Jason's tenacity to start in the 1-5. Shows passion and will to progress and let's face it he can demand more money. Respect to him for that. With the way he is scoring tho so far he could end up back in the reserve berth which will be a big pill to swallow for the lad. Don't buy that he has messed Coventry's team plans up tho. They didn't have to sign Jason in the 1-5 unless they believed he was ready for the job. The argument over who is better is silly at best. Poole fans think Newman is better and likewise Bees fans think Garrity is. Jason has a much higher PL average and very little in it in the draft averages the past 2 seasons. Good on Kyle for getting a team place in Poland, that's what we need all our promising Brits to do. Can't say that landing a contract in Poland means he is already better, let's see how he does first folks?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Panda Posted March 27, 2016 Report Share Posted March 27, 2016 Garrity needs to stop being so reckless in his riding before he can be considered for team GB............Newman was like Garrity invited to take part in the Croatian training sessions as well..............Newman has as much chance as Garrity as being selected for the final Team GB squad............Remember as well that Newman is only riding EL (unless Plymouth get sorted out..........) at the moment............ Having seen Garrity try and take Newman out deliberately on a number of occasions and take other riders out I know I would rather have Newman than Garrity in Team GB RP 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted March 27, 2016 Report Share Posted March 27, 2016 ive seen newman do similar too, sometimes going for gaps that dont exist seen riders deliberately knock garrity off too...... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted March 27, 2016 Report Share Posted March 27, 2016 (edited) Very true, he was avaliable to any club, but not one club went in for him. That tells you the state of the rest. Sad really. Its called ambition, but clearly many others don't seem to have that. chris4gillian..............I actually said, every promoter had access to every available rider. If Buzz isn't included within that then my statement \s written is correct. According to Starman he was available and not one club went for him. He knows everything doesn't he so he must be right. Anyway, apologies because I keep forgetting there are two or three unbiased sensible Poole fans. Edited March 27, 2016 by Gemini Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4gillian Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 According to Starman he was available and not one club went for him. He knows everything doesn't he so he must be right. Anyway, apologies because I keep forgetting there are two or three unbiased sensible Poole fans. As I've said on numerous occasions, ignore Matt Ford's laccy....us sensible Poole supporters do Isn't Newman currently in Poland at the moment and riding tomorrow for Pila in their fist league meeting of the season? Which Polish team is Garrity riding for this season? He must have one as in your opinion he is way better than Newman. The Polish clubs must have been ringing his phone off the hook. Your assesmentnof Garrity over Newman is absolutely miles off target. Kyle will be up in the team in the next rew weeks and gaining further experience. A team rider who put his local club first even though he wanted to be in the 1-5. Can the same be said of Garrity, who I hold no grudge and want to succeed? His determination to be in the Coventry 1-5 has cost his club any chance of trophies this season. Or is Newman much more Is there an echo in here? I don't think Garrity will ride for GB either but at that level he is way ahead of Newman for selection. Higher Elite league average, Higher Premier league average. British Final record far superior and possibly should have made a rostrum. Was reserve and had a ride in a GP. Now Garrity wants to make the next step up and race in a 1-5 and put himself against better riders. Newman currently is racing against EDR riders that he is superior to. No GB manager would select a rider who is happy to beat the likes of Sargeant and Bates , basically premier league second strings, over a rider who wants to better himself. What sort of experience is Newman gaining? None! Kyle is the more stylish of the 2 but he is not even close to ever being taken seriously as a rider for the national side. He will though riding in the Poole team win another title but its not doing much for his own career So remind me, what country is Garrity riding in outside of GB? Out of the two Newman is the more consistent EL rider. Let's see where they're both at in a month or two... Oh and I invite you to come to Poole to watch us and in particular Newman, you may change your opinion once you do. Newman is 100% Poole and wants only what's best for Poole. Garrity is all about Garrity and that is detriment to himself and Coventry which is reflected in their poor team. Garrity is nothing better than a reserve even in the weak EL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 ............https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKh5RqokQJo newman riding for poole in this link on assessed 3.00 in 2011, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 (edited) Got to agree with that. Surely someone explained to Garrity that he would probably be in the 1-5 after a handful of meetings anyway It was but he still didn't want to be in it. If the rumours were true that a few clubs wanted him then I wouldn't want to be in the draft either. Why would a rider restrict where he could go when he can probably get a far better deal knowing that more than one club are after him? Its a short career and id have done the same and I suspect most others us would have too. Edited March 28, 2016 by woz01 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdakev Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 Genuine question - why did Swindon let Zengota go? Good Question. We were told they couldn't fit him in within the points limit and that they think he was on a high average. His average is not high it is a reflection of his riding ability. Love to have him in the side. At least we would have two heat leaders instead of the premier league riders we have. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gavan Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 I agree well done to Newman for getting rides in Poland and as I have already said out of the 2 Garrity is far more reckless. But there is no way in the world that Newman is ahead of Garrity at the moment. All this stuff about Garrity has messed up Coventrys team isn't totally correct. Coventry didnt have to use him did they! They saw his ambition and went with it. Think that You Tube clip shows Newman at reserve in 2011 alongside Nick Morris. Wonder how their careers have gone? Reserve for 6 seasons and now riding against riders he is far superior to isn't doing him any good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hagonshocker Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 Good Question. We were told they couldn't fit him in within the points limit and that they think he was on a high average. His average is not high it is a reflection of his riding ability. Love to have him in the side. At least we would have two heat leaders instead of the premier league riders we have. Have a feeling at some point you may get your wish but that average isnt easy to fit in with this confounded points limit 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdakev Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 Have a feeling at some point you may get your wish but that average isnt easy to fit in with this confounded points limit Let's hope so Shocker but like you say the points limit will be an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 (edited) I agree well done to Newman for getting rides in Poland and as I have already said out of the 2 Garrity is far more reckless. But there is no way in the world that Newman is ahead of Garrity at the moment. All this stuff about Garrity has messed up Coventrys team isn't totally correct. Coventry didnt have to use him did they! They saw his ambition and went with it. Think that You Tube clip shows Newman at reserve in 2011 alongside Nick Morris. Wonder how their careers have gone? Reserve for 6 seasons and now riding against riders he is far superior to isn't doing him any good.When you look at the reserves from 2011, 6 seasons ago and what level they are at now, it makes you realise how much they have progressed compared to Newman. Riders who rode at reserve at the same time as Newman include: Doyle, North, Cook, Morris, Pawlicki, Summers. Newman is miles off being in the same ability as them. Auty is another who seems to have spent years as a reserve. PL progression: avg 2014 start: 5.32 avg now: 6.84 If you look at where Garrity was in 2011, he was riding in the NL and didn't get a EL reserve spot until 2014. In that time he progressed lots and made British Final semi/Final and scored points for fun at reserve. After only 2 years he has moved up to the top 5 and took that chance. It might work for him or it might be too soon but credit to him for having ambition to try. Pl progression: avg 2014 start: 5.31 avg now: 8.46 Edited March 28, 2016 by mdmc82 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 Some riders improve fast and some improve more gradually each season. Let's see what Newman does in the 1-5 shall we. I get the feeling Kyle will handle the pressure better than Garrity 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 Garrity will do more than fine in the 1-5 once he gets his equipment right. He's already blown an engine this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BluPanther Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 Garrity will do more than fine in the 1-5 once he gets his equipment right. He's already blown an engine this season. Makes a change from 'blowing a fuse' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 Makes a change from 'blowing a fuse' He's done that too when he was wrongly excluded v Poole! His scores for Sheffield have been very good just needs a good meeting in a Bees race jacket and his EL form will improve. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 (edited) When you look at the reserves from 2011, 6 seasons ago and what level they are at now, it makes you realise how much they have progressed compared to Newman. Riders who rode at reserve at the same time as Newman include: Doyle, North, Cook, Morris, Pawlicki, Summers. Newman is miles off being in the same ability as them. Auty is another who seems to have spent years as a reserve. PL progression: avg 2014 start: 5.32 avg now: 6.84 That’s an incredibly skewed point to make against Newman given he was miles away from being the ability level of those riders at the time. He was only plugged into a reserve position that season to fill a gap, it isn’t like he was at the level of those riders and hasn’t progressed, that season was the first one he really established himself as a PL reserve never mind EL. He will likely remain miles off the level of Doyle, given he is now one of the best riders in the world and Pawlicki given he is one of the best talents in the world, I don’t see that as something to beat him with given 100s of other riders are miles off the level Doyle reached last season, as for the others is Newman miles off the level of Morris, Summers or North, no, not for me he isn’t (which is just as much down to their lack of progress since 2011) he could quite easily be at the level of Summers by the time he reaches his age as well, Morris might kick on again he might not but if he doesn't he is "catchable" if Newman at it the way he appears to. All that being said it is actually entirely possible Newman and Garrity will have very decent careers and race for Team GB, I am not seeing the riders who will stop them doing that, as well as that it is also possible just to enjoy the work both do without constantly comparing and contrasting them and just appreciate they are both young British riders working and trying their best to progress as they see fit, one has taken the bold move to step up to the 1-5 the other has found a place on the continent that’s a good thing it is something worth applauding. Edited March 28, 2016 by sparkafag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Panda Posted March 28, 2016 Report Share Posted March 28, 2016 ............https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKh5RqokQJo newman riding for poole in this link on assessed 3.00 in 2011, He did not ride the full season though hence the assessed average............he has never had anything other than an assessed or FDR average for Poole because of the number of meetings he has done as far as I am aware..........the only two full seasons he has done are the last two................ RP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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