kbt Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 when did the promotion know the track would be unraceable,on the night,last week?surely far better to postpone it if they knew in advance it was dodgy,than carry on and hope it would all work out right on the night!it would save this fiasco. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scaramanga Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 does anyone know when the actual saftey certificate was issued ? i was led to belive that last week it still wasnt in place Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Panda Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 Well I didn't accuse you or your 'friends' of lying but it is hard to reach any other conclusion. You come on here and state that 'for the management to blame the riders is out of order' when they didn't and now you are claiming it was said within earshot of your 'friends' but not 'on the centre green' and I was 'clearly not in there', clearly not in where? What sort of made up fantasy is that?!! That makes you sound a little bit mental doesn't it? Furthermore had what you claim actually been said the 'quotes' would be all over social media and there would be outrage. But there aren't any 'quotes' because you have made it all up. You even macabrely brought up Ward being injured to somehow justify your point of view. #barmpotfantasist Sorry bring up Darcy after what happened to him is not Macabre................as you put it...........and I should not have to quote anyone................rider safety is paramount........end of and if the riders felt it was not safe then sorry it should not have gone ahead.............and been postponed as soon as a problem was known.............two failed track safety inspections should have told you that (several riders have tweeted about that) Go read Twitter and Facebook for quotes............I am no liar or fantasist...................shame you cannot treat a fan who really wanted to go to the meeting but could not for various reasons (mainly the fact I had to work not that that is your business and it was a 600 ish mile round trip) with respect..............I have several Belle Vue fans as friends..............at least they are giving constructive and honest criticism of what happened rather than you quoting only what 3 people have said.............. RP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 Harris said the track was rideable or did you miss that bit? I read the statement again and there is not anythink about Chris Harris or the track being rideable as you said ....so I did miss that bit because it is not on there ...so rather telling other people that they can't read and they make things up maybe should do same yourself . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepturningleft Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 This is an observation not an opinion, but very few serious accidents have happened because of a "dangerous track". Injuries to Ward, Gundersen and many others were nothing to do with the condition of the track. Video of the 1975 World Final at Wembley reveals a track to be so bad as to be almost unbelievable, but the show went on. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCookie Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 My most used comment of 2016 will be, so they'll ride on that but couldn't ride the Belle Vue track back in March? Rider safety is paramount - when it suits. We've had pages and pages on here over the years about meetings being forced through on tracks far worse than last night just to get a result. All I want is consistency so we now where we stand. I spoke to management last night and told them they were not at fault. In hindsight they were as they booked these prima donnas who let's not forget have form for this kind of thing. Have I ever ridden a speedway bike, no but I'm no chef either but I'd be quick to complain if the performance of the chef was not up to scratch. Ex riders I spoke to last night plus those on social media are of the opinion it should have gone ahead. Just as they all questioned the rides following the Warsaw walk out. If I was in the rider meeting last night I have just said right you lot who don't want to ride pack up and go. We'll promote the reserves and run some part filled heats. I'm probably biased in my opinions as I've been a supporter for forty odd years and I'm use to the gladiators of old and find these highly paid pussies hard to watch a lot if the time. I guess it's modern day speedway but at least I've got The Colts to watch again. Should have had them on standby last night once the "stars" started bleating on social media. Are you for real? Nicki Pedersen for one bent over backwards getting there last night, why do that and then not bother? There is one party to blame and that's the buffoons who organised last night. All that show and they couldn't get a raceable circuit. Poor, poor show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LagutaRacingFan Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 Could they have not moved the meeting to Kirky Lane? The true home of the Aces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 Lets face it, poor meetings on poor tracks are hardly unheard of. Not the norm, maybe, but common enough. Read the barrage of criticism that Ipswich got on Thursday, or the updates from Leicester (4 passes in 15 heats) yesterday afternoon. Those meetings were on 'proper' tracks and at Leicester the shape has apparently been adapted during the winter to improve the quality of the racing. Would such a meeting from Belle Vue have been so much worse ? Of course it could have got worst as riders could have hurt ....they may also have had a certain amount of heats before it was got called off meaning no one got a refund ..what is unheard is people saying days before that a track was unfit for purpose like last night . The bottom line is should never have got to where it was last night so Belle Vue speedway take 100 % of the blame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Panda Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 Could they have not moved the meeting to Kirky Lane? The true home of the Aces. Incorrect.............Hyde Road was the true home of the Aces...................great times there............. RP 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 This is an observation not an opinion, but very few serious accidents have happened because of a "dangerous track". Injuries to Ward, Gundersen and many others were nothing to do with the condition of the track. Video of the 1975 World Final at Wembley reveals a track to be so bad as to be almost unbelievable, but the show went on. I remember that ..I expect people drove home after drinking 10 pints of lager as well . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uk_martin Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 Will there be a restaging of the Peter Craven Memorial event at some time in the future? How much will the programme inserts be sold for? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepturningleft Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 Could they have not moved the meeting to Kirky Lane? The true home of the Aces. Please assure us this is sarcasm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 Are you for real? Nicki Pedersen for one bent over backwards getting there last night, why do that and then not bother? There is one party to blame and that's the buffoons who organised last night. All that show and they couldn't get a raceable circuit. Poor, poor show. Don't remember saying Nicki didn't want to ride. I'll re read my posts and correct it as one of us is wrong. People keep mentioning that the track failed it's inspection twice but never mention the successful one. Biased. Video of the 1975 World Final at Wembley reveals a track to be so bad as to be almost unbelievable, but the show went on. I was there. Gladiators all, I do miss it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grachan Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 This is an observation not an opinion, but very few serious accidents have happened because of a "dangerous track". Injuries to Ward, Gundersen and many others were nothing to do with the condition of the track. Video of the 1975 World Final at Wembley reveals a track to be so bad as to be almost unbelievable, but the show went on. Tommy Jansson's was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fromafar Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 My most used comment of 2016 will be, so they'll ride on that but couldn't ride the Belle Vue track back in March? Rider safety is paramount - when it suits. We've had pages and pages on here over the years about meetings being forced through on tracks far worse than last night just to get a result. All I want is consistency so we now where we stand. I spoke to management last night and told them they were not at fault. In hindsight they were as they booked these prima donnas who let's not forget have form for this kind of thing. Have I ever ridden a speedway bike, no but I'm no chef either but I'd be quick to complain if the performance of the chef was not up to scratch. Ex riders I spoke to last night plus those on social media are of the opinion it should have gone ahead. Just as they all questioned the rides following the Warsaw walk out. If I was in the rider meeting last night I have just said right you lot who don't want to ride pack up and go. We'll promote the reserves and run some part filled heats. I'm probably biased in my opinions as I've been a supporter for forty odd years and I'm use to the gladiators of old and find these highly paid pussies hard to watch a lot if the time. I guess it's modern day speedway but at least I've got The Colts to watch again. Should have had them on standby last night once the "stars" started bleating on social media. I agree,these are the same guys who go out" playing "Moto- crossing in the winter months with no though of it being dangerous and no medical stall at hand,yet cannot control the throttle of a speedway bike. The sport is just farcical nowadays.The majority of the riders last night would have been just going thought the motions last night as a warm up anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garry1603 Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 Never thought that the new Belle Vue track record would be shared between a brass band and some cheerleaders! Such a massive let down for everyone (including the promotion) - I hope that they can recover from this because the stadium is very impressive and will be further improved as time goes on - but will they regain the trust of the fans again? I'm not sure. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
customhouseregular Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 I remember that ..I expect people drove home after drinking 10 pints of lager as well . I only had 4...don't you remember Wembley bar prices! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pugwash Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 One of the issues so many of us have with sport is getting heat 10 for a rain off. Just running heats for the sake of it is what kills the sport. Of the track isn't fit then racing should not happen. This may well be the scenario here. Promotion knowing that the track was unfit but under pressure from backers, hoping to get to a 'non refundable' stage in proceedings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 I only had 4...don't you remember Wembley bar prices! no I was to pissed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted March 20, 2016 Report Share Posted March 20, 2016 We have talked about the disaster about what has happened, but seriously, what about the fiscal side of it. 5000 x 20 quid is 100,000 in takings. Have the Belle Vue management still got this money in a "special disaster" bank account to cover such an incident, or has it already been spent on shale and equipment. Returning 100,000 quid is not something the BV promotion will want to do, so expect them to do all they can to rerun the even, or offer free entry to any BV meeting this season. We dont want BV to go bust over this. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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