RobMcCaffery Posted April 28, 2016 Report Share Posted April 28, 2016 (edited) Like I suspect most people in this section of the forum I have a deep love and fascination for speedway which goes back over decades. My interest started with my local team the long-lost Rayleigh Rockets some 45 years ago and developed so much that I became an amateur journalist and broadcaster within the sport. I love speedway, but most of all league speedway - it's where my interest began, with the Rockets and I guess there it will die. Being able to watch Polish and Swedish Speedway in recent years has added greatly to that pleasure, helped immeasurably by several expert posters on here. I've seen Britain rule the world of speedway in international competition and run what was in its day the strongest league in the world. They are all happy memories, although I must admit the first international I attended, England 88, Poland 19 wasn't the best of matches. Now we have characters like tr3 (etc etc) who represent a world of speedway that I can't recognise - a spitting, snarling version of the sport I love, full of hate and scorn, trying to make childish taunts against British Speedway. Yes our Elite League is in crisis. You don't need to be an obnoxious Pole to know that - we say it all the time. Many of us are very sceptical of BSI's abilities and intentions. We are frustrated at the lack of British talent these days on the international stage, but we have been there, done it, shivered in the t-shirt. Our day will come again, and if not I have happy memories of riders like Peter Collins, Chris Morton and Mark Loram - true racers and respected by all. I also have extremely happy memories of the efforts of Zenon Plech at Hackney. I was privileged to see most of his appearances at Waterden Road. When I think of Polish Speedway I do prefer to think of heroes like him, Roman Jankowski and Edward Jancarz, not these 'fans' that have appeared here or the ruthless version of the sport they follow. My biggest pleasure in speedway now is to go to matches in our second and third tiers, the Premier League and National League. The pressure is off, some riders still have time to get involved with the clubs and their supporters. You can stand with rival fans, have a bit of verbal fun with the opposition fans but still share a drink afterwards. There's none of the stress and near-hatred that seems to be creeping into our Elite League and is clearly present in Poland, especially at Zielona Gora. Yes British Speedway's in a hole right now but you don't need to put our speedway fans in separate enclosures where they taunt the opposition like third-rate football thugs. Sadly that mentality is now being dragged into here by certain Polish posters. I find it fascinating to watch Polish Speedway but too many of the 'fans; including sadly certain British supporters who follow it closely and taunt British Speedway as some part of that 'support' simply disgust me. Thankfully with people like tr3.... I can just click and walk away. In Poland people have to share stadia with this kind of reptile. Now, we used to have a nice friendly section of the forum. I know I've played my part in spoiling matters by responding to the Poles but I just get so angry to see the sport I love treated like dirt by people with tiny brains and big mouths. I apologise but it's hard to stay silent. Having said this I will now try to before this destroys the love I still cherish. Edited April 29, 2016 by rmc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted April 29, 2016 Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 A nice gesture from Rzeszów, https://www.facebook.com/KenniLarsenRacing/posts/1087893417900766 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
severnsider Posted April 29, 2016 Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 Maybe Magic things he won't need qualifying as expects to be in top 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trees Posted April 29, 2016 Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 Not really. Most of Polish riders are like nba players. They think of GP like those Americans think about Olympic Games. For instance Magic Janowski has given away the right to start in GP that he earned to someone else. Most people remember riders that rode in Poland like Lee Richardson. Rest of the world remembers so called World Champions. Thing is that the rest of the world is like 5k people judging by attendance on British tracks You're wrong, we remember riders for all sorts of reasons, not only the top boys and don't forget there are thousands of fans in this country who may not go to speedway anymore but who can remember the days of the huge crowds here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted April 29, 2016 Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 (edited) You're wrong, we remember riders for all sorts of reasons, not only the top boys and don't forget there are thousands of fans in this country who may not go to speedway anymore but who can remember the days of the huge crowds here He/she/it is really clutching at straws Trees, it's pathetic. I wonder if characters like tr3..... realise the love and respect that British crowds had for Polish riders - and not just the points that they scored. Clearly he/she/it can only think in such terms, which is profoundly sad but seems to sum up the desperate Polish Speedway mentality. I remember friends with 'Solidarity' stickers on their programme boards back in the 80s. Of course, it was just because Zenon was scoring..... As I said earlier it's pathetic and it's an attitude that I have never met in Britain outside football, thank God, not even in Poole. I do hope that he/she/it is not typical of the Polish supporters but seeing the behaviour I do on TV I do wonder. I also wonder what he/she/it is trying to achieve? Are we supposed to worship Polish Speedway and treat him/her/it as some kind of superior being? Are we supposed to apologise for loving our sport and give up going? Is this how Zielona Gora fans behave with fellow Poles? If so, God help the country. British Speedway may be badly troubled but it's not mentally ill. Perhaps it's time for this thread to be restarted and return to just talking about the matches. I have tr3..... on ignore and only see their postings when people quote them in responses. Might it be an idea if everyone else treated him/her/it with equal disrespect and left them to mouth their childish taunts into thin air? It's my final comment, I promise. Like many I appreciate this part of the forum for the help in enjoying Polish matches. It's appalling that tr3.... should abuse it in this way and I apologise again for trying to deal with them. Clearly only a psychiatrist can. Now, what's happening again on Sunday? Edited April 29, 2016 by rmc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ja-Jacek Posted April 30, 2016 Report Share Posted April 30, 2016 (edited) Like I suspect most people in this section of the forum I have a deep love and fascination for speedway... Now we have characters like tr3 (etc etc) who represent a world of speedway that I can't recognise - a spitting, snarling version of the sport I love, full of hate and scorn, trying to make childish taunts against British Speedway. Yes our Elite League is in crisis. You don't need to be an obnoxious Pole to know that - we say it all the time. Many of us are very sceptical of BSI's abilities and intentions. We are frustrated at the lack of British talent these days on the international stage, but we have been there, done it, shivered in the t-shirt. Our day will come again, and if not I have happy memories of riders like Peter Collins, Chris Morton and Mark Loram - true racers and respected by all. I also have extremely happy memories of the efforts of Zenon Plech at Hackney. I was privileged to see most of his appearances at Waterden Road. When I think of Polish Speedway I do prefer to think of heroes like him, Roman Jankowski and Edward Jancarz, not these 'fans' that have appeared here or the ruthless version of the sport they follow. My biggest pleasure in speedway now is to go to matches in our second and third tiers, the Premier League and National League. The pressure is off, some riders still have time to get involved with the clubs and their supporters. You can stand with rival fans, have a bit of verbal fun with the opposition fans but still share a drink afterwards. There's none of the stress and near-hatred that seems to be creeping into our Elite League and is clearly present in Poland, especially at Zielona Gora. Yes British Speedway's in a hole right now but you don't need to put our speedway fans in separate enclosures where they taunt the opposition like third-rate football thugs. Sadly that mentality is now being dragged into here by certain Polish posters. I find it fascinating to watch Polish Speedway but too many of the 'fans; including sadly certain British supporters who follow it closely and taunt British Speedway as some part of that 'support' simply disgust me. Thankfully with people like tr3.... I can just click and walk away. In Poland people have to share stadia with this kind of reptile. Now, we used to have a nice friendly section of the forum. I know I've played my part in spoiling matters by responding to the Poles but I just get so angry to see the sport I love treated like dirt by people with tiny brains and big mouths. I apologise but it's hard to stay silent. Having said this I will now try to before this destroys the love I still cherish. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ It was interested to read it. Most words have a bitter taste, but it is true. Greetings from 56 years old Polish speedway fan of GKM Gudziądz. Edited April 30, 2016 by Ja-Jacek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eduds1 Posted April 30, 2016 Report Share Posted April 30, 2016 You changing your diaper? Perhaps he'l find you in it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2ndbendbeerhut Posted May 1, 2016 Report Share Posted May 1, 2016 Looks like telewizja still down... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandonbee48 Posted May 1, 2016 Report Share Posted May 1, 2016 Looks like telewizja still down... Sadly i think it is gone. Probably a crackdown by the TV companies over football streaming- that is what it usually is. We speedway fans don't count in the overall scheme of things because there are so few of us numerically but we get caught up in it. Perhaps Pawel will have some more news for us later as it was a superb feed. However for this first meeting there are lots of options here http://soccer-live.pl/transmisje.php?id=motorsport I'm on one of the media player links which is really good. I'll join you folks in a while. Alan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandonbee48 Posted May 1, 2016 Report Share Posted May 1, 2016 Weather looks fine in Krosno- they are watering the track so that bodes well. Alan. Very nice, stylish pits they have constructed. Looks very good. A not very exciting first heat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted May 1, 2016 Report Share Posted May 1, 2016 You changing your diaper? Diaper is not an English word. You must think you are talking to Americans. Anyway, you proved my point completely in that post. You belong in the playground with the other brats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikec Posted May 1, 2016 Report Share Posted May 1, 2016 Weather looks fine in Krosno- they are watering the track so that bodes well. Alan. Very nice, stylish pits they have constructed. Looks very good. A not very exciting first heat. Really struggled with streams, finally got one to work! Have I missed much so far?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobMcCaffery Posted May 1, 2016 Report Share Posted May 1, 2016 (edited) Sadly i think it is gone. Probably a crackdown by the TV companies over football streaming- that is what it usually is. We speedway fans don't count in the overall scheme of things because there are so few of us numerically but we get caught up in it. Perhaps Pawel will have some more news for us later as it was a superb feed. However for this first meeting there are lots of options here http://soccer-live.pl/transmisje.php?id=motorsport I'm on one of the media player links which is really good. I'll join you folks in a while. Alan. Hello Alan, sadly it proves the point that the best streaming links don't last - often because they are too good and that attracts the attention of the copyright holders. There was a case of a Kodi add-on that was carrying excellent HD streams of every Premier League football match in England and Wales. It lasted a couple of months. It tends to be the streamers offering low-quality, often-interrupted streams that tend to survive because they're not perceived as a threat. One of the greatest dangers in discussing streaming, (well in fact the best way to get them shut down is to discuss them at all) is in using the term "I can cancel my subscriptions now." That would alarm any pay-TV provider and quite rightly make them act. While streaming is a minor irritation it will survive. When it becomes a threat it is naturally acted upon. Often the best way to protect a good streaming source is to be selective about advertising its existence. Anyway, hope we have an enjoyable day's racing that will make us forget the unpleasant side of forums like these. Really struggled with streams, finally got one to work! Have I missed much so far?? When watching the Division 1 fixtures the best link is TVP Sport's own website. https://sport.tvp.pl/25015361/zuzel-nice-polska-liga-ksm-krosno-orzel-lodz This a legal stream, provided by TVP (the Polish BBC) but can be blocked from viewing outside Poland sometimes*. The match can often be watched on demand later on the website. Unofficial versions can also be found on You Tube, like the Elkstraliga, later in the week. I hope this helps to explain. Te match itself isn't too bad but most interest is in the closeness of the scores, rather than the racing so far. I think the best is yet to come. (*It's all down to which TVP channel it's shown on. The world of TV rights online is a minefield, as anyone following discussions about putting clips of British racing online will be painfully aware). Edited May 1, 2016 by rmc 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandonbee48 Posted May 1, 2016 Report Share Posted May 1, 2016 Hi guys, Nice to have company. Not a thriller by any means is my humble summing up, but i LOVE team speedway, the atmosphere- and a close scoreline helps. Lets hope we get a close finish. Alan. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted May 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2016 (edited) sat in Ljubljana airport missing the Polish action.lukasz Benz greeted me yesterday like his long lost brother ! - he obviously remembered that i am the chairman of his uk fan club- he will be in Poznan today for the Wroclaw match Edited May 1, 2016 by racers and royals 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandonbee48 Posted May 1, 2016 Report Share Posted May 1, 2016 sat in Ljubljana airport missing the Polish action.lukasz Benz greeted me yesterday like his long lost brother ! - he obviously remembered that i am the chairman of his uk fan club- he will be in Poznan today for the Wroclaw match You are missed ! Safe flight home. Alan. Yech. Nasty with a vengeance. Fingers crossed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Blobby Posted May 1, 2016 Report Share Posted May 1, 2016 Nasty one that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamieE Posted May 1, 2016 Report Share Posted May 1, 2016 Careless move by the guy in blue to bring everyone down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brandonbee48 Posted May 1, 2016 Report Share Posted May 1, 2016 A comfortable win for Lodz in a pleasant curtain raiser for the big guys. Join you later as i watch Leicester and the dream! Alan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted May 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 1, 2016 Looking at Rawicz vs Gdańsk i don't think merging 2 PLŻ divisions was a good idea.At least they are only racing at home !!!!-apart from the away match at Opole Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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