eric i Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 The BSPA seem keen to introduce standardised engines that are sealed and can only be serviced by a few designated tuners. It is hoped this could reduce costs, level the playing field and make the sport safer. The cost to riders who have already invested heavily in equipment would be massive, however if the engines were introduced over a number of years the riders could plan for it, say national league in 2018, premier in 2019 and elite in 2020. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KIRKYLANE Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 It does not need to be dragged out that long. I sincerely hope that it does happen... long overdue with regards to most importantly safety and secondly costs. The engine tuners have been ripping off riders for a long time and making lots of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuxtonTiger Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 So how does the BSPA plan fit in with the rest of the world. Poland, Sweden, Denmark etc and what happens to GP riders and SWC? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stadia Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 So how does the BSPA plan fit in with the rest of the world. Poland, Sweden, Denmark etc and what happens to GP riders and SWC? Surely, if we are talking about UK domestic speedway, those riders, whoever they are, abide by the rules of the new restrictions. Riders riding abroad, abide by their restrictions, whether they be similar or different. As for GPs and the SWC, the riders adhere to their rules, whether similar or different. Unless I am missing something? (Probably am!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyretrax Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 (edited) It would make more sense to introduce them from the top down, then riders could sell their old gear to riders down a league. Edited March 10, 2016 by tyretrax 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 It would make more sense to introduce them from the top down, then riders could sell their old gear to riders down a league. Exactly. The BSPA seem keen to introduce standardised engines that are sealed and can only be serviced by a few designated tuners. It is hoped this could reduce costs, level the playing field and make the sport safer. The cost to riders who have already invested heavily in equipment would be massive, however if the engines were introduced over a number of years the riders could plan for it, say national league in 2018, premier in 2019 and elite in 2020. The riders were informed of this at a pre-season meeting and were said to be in favour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCOGNITO Posted March 10, 2016 Report Share Posted March 10, 2016 It would only happen if it is world wide and I can't see it happening. I can see a set of rules on engines possibly coming in eventually but to get all leagues to agree would be hard to achieve especially if that includes FIM meetings as well. Exactly. The riders were informed of this at a pre-season meeting and were said to be in favour. The retired Oliver Allen and Daniel King were but try convincing riders that ride abroad more and won't want different equipment in other leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gresham Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 Please make this happen... I can't think of anything negative about this decision. Maybe make it standard engines for team events...do what you like in individual events...then fade that out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric i Posted March 11, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 It would make more sense to introduce them from the top down, then riders could sell their old gear to riders down a league. Fair point but I think the top riders would need to be told years in advance as they would want to get some use out of all their expensive equipment before they sold it on at cut down prices. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gresham Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 This may have been covered before...so excuse me for asking...but if Speedway goes to a standard engine, is there any reason why it cannot run on fuel that is not methanol? Just thinking of costs and possible sponsorship/advertising etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sommelier Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 It does not need to be dragged out that long. I sincerely hope that it does happen... long overdue with regards to most importantly safety and secondly costs. The engine tuners have been ripping off riders for a long time and making lots of money. Engine tuners ripping riders off ? Take it you have not read the article in this weeks speedway star, 5 page interview on Peter johns 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 It would only happen if it is world wide and I can't see it happening. I can see a set of rules on engines possibly coming in eventually but to get all leagues to agree would be hard to achieve especially if that includes FIM meetings as well. The retired Oliver Allen and Daniel King were but try convincing riders that ride abroad more and won't want different equipment in other leagues. Don't they already have that and don't some riders actually use tuners who are local to that particular league? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 This may have been covered before...so excuse me for asking...but if Speedway goes to a standard engine, is there any reason why it cannot run on fuel that is not methanol? Just thinking of costs and possible sponsorship/advertising etc. I know that Paul Gachet test rode a bike that ran on petrol back in 1976! Also wasn't there an initiative to use Honda engines some years back but the BSPA (?) showed little enthusiasm for the idea? Eric Boocock was involved in some capacity I seem to recall. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KN1 Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 (edited) So riders throw away all engine's they currently have,as there would be no market for them, and then buy the new standard ones. some that do their own engines will now have to pay someone else to do them, oh and pay to send them off. we have never paid more than £150 for labour to have an engine serviced, imo that's not expensive for a good days work, compare that to say having your gas boiler or car repaired by a professional. As for safer can't see how,the nature of our spirt is what it is,and to an extent that's why we love it and they race it. Edited March 11, 2016 by KN1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foamfence Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 So riders throw away all engine's they currently have,as there would be no market for them, and then buy the new standard ones. some that do their own engines will now have to pay someone else to do them, oh and pay to send them off. we have never paid more than £150 for labour to have an engine serviced, imo that's not expensive for a good days work, compare that to say having your gas boiler or car repaired by a professional. As for safer can't see how,the nature of our spirt is what it is,and to an extent that's why we love it and they race it. 'We' might love it but nobody else does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 This may have been covered before...so excuse me for asking...but if Speedway goes to a standard engine, is there any reason why it cannot run on fuel that is not methanol? Just thinking of costs and possible sponsorship/advertising etc. Of course you can create engines that runs on regular petrol but one advantage with methanol is that it has a higher fire safety then petrol. Petrol ignites much more easily and it burns with a much higher temperature. So from a safety aspect, methanol is to prefer over petrol. http://www3.epa.gov/otaq/consumer/08-fire.pdf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyretrax Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 Fair point but I think the top riders would need to be told years in advance as they would want to get some use out of all their expensive equipment before they sold it on at cut down prices. If riders are buying new equipment each year and they are told that for the following year that they must have the standardised equipment I don't any see a problem with them being left with engines that don't meet the new regulations. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KN1 Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 If riders are buying new equipment each year and they are told that for the following year that they must have the standardised equipment I don't any see a problem with them being left with engines that don't meet the new regulations. So you would be happy if the government said everyone has to have an electric car, But you would not be able to sell (ie your petrol/diesel 65 plate one) and you just leave it on the drive/in garage. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tyretrax Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 So you would be happy if the government said everyone has to have an electric car, But you would not be able to sell (ie your petrol/diesel 65 plate one) and you just leave it on the drive/in garage. No of course not. No one is saying that engines can't be be sold "down" a league, if they did then that WOULD be a problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reviresco Posted March 11, 2016 Report Share Posted March 11, 2016 No of course not. No one is saying that engines can't be be sold "down" a league, if they did then that WOULD be a problem. So on this basis, we would have the 'Elite' League on the new standard equipment and the PL and NL on existing non-standard equipment, with the PL introducing standard equipment, say, 2 years later and the NL after that? With EL riders who participate in other countries and in FIM events requiring both sets of equipment? And the doubling-up and EDR riders would need both sets of equipment for a period of time? It looks to me an even bigger incentive for riders to quit riding in Britain, 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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