tellboy Posted March 15, 2016 Report Share Posted March 15, 2016 (edited) The tier 2 rider stays at reserve while the tier 1 rider can move up. If a club has two tier 2 riders then the one with the highest starting average assumes the tier 1 role. The way I read it is the one with the higher MA goes into the 1-5 whether or not he's a tier 1 or tier 2 rider. 17.5.1 Only one EDR (the one with the highest MA) may move into a Team’s top 1-5. 17.5.2 Of the riders nominated for the meeting they will line up in the following positions a) The 1st, 2nd and 3rd riders (by MA) must ride at either #1 #3 or #5.The 4th and 5th riders (by MA) must ride at either #2 or #4. c) The 6th and 7th riders (by MA) must ride at #6 or #7. NB, only an EDR may ride at #7. Taken from the new rules. Edited March 15, 2016 by tellboy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted March 15, 2016 Report Share Posted March 15, 2016 (edited) The way I read it is the one with the higher MA goes into the 1-5 whether or not he's a tier 1 or tier 2 rider. 17.5.1 Only one EDR (the one with the highest MA) may move into a Teams top 1-5. 17.5.2 Of the riders nominated for the meeting they will line up in the following positions a) The 1st, 2nd and 3rd riders (by MA) must ride at either #1 #3 or #5.The 4th and 5th riders (by MA) must ride at either #2 or #4. c) The 6th and 7th riders (by MA) must ride at #6 or #7. NB, only an EDR may ride at #7. Taken from the new rules. Yes ive read them now. It was certainly the original plan to keep the tier 2 rider at reserve but they must have had a change of plan to an EDR must ride at 7. Think we will see a lot of edr alternate roles throughout the season. Edited March 15, 2016 by woz01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted March 15, 2016 Report Share Posted March 15, 2016 I did say ignore him Lisa...now you know why for the second time! Don't call me 'Surely.....' That'll confuse him. Yes, I've got the message now as I can't be doing with stupid people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4gillian Posted March 15, 2016 Report Share Posted March 15, 2016 Don't call me 'Surely.....' That'll confuse him. Yes, I've got the message now as I can't be doing with stupid people. Oops! I meant Gem Apologies. Edited now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dj350z Posted March 15, 2016 Report Share Posted March 15, 2016 Poole will keep it close on Wednesday so that Friday's return is not a foregone conclusion and there is still a decent crowd at Brandon. MF is always willing to assist other promotions with their business......! :-) ;-) Oh I don't know. The Coventry promotion seem to good at annoying their fans, so a few may stay away in protest anyway. If they all made a stand and stayed away, it might have the desired effect.. Don't you just lurve Poole supporters!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TesarRacing Posted March 15, 2016 Report Share Posted March 15, 2016 Don't you just lurve Poole supporters!! Is that a trick question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted March 15, 2016 Report Share Posted March 15, 2016 Yes ive read them now. It was certainly the original plan to keep the tier 2 rider at reserve but they must have had a change of plan to an EDR must ride at 7. Think we will see a lot of edr alternate roles throughout the season. I certainly thought and believed that the tier 2 rider would be the protected one otherwise it makes little sense. The tier 1's really should be the only ones that can move up. From the reading of the rules it does seem there has been a change of plan. Ridiculous tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted March 15, 2016 Report Share Posted March 15, 2016 RR for Kaspazak tomorrow to give the riders more track time. He is hoping to be back Friday. This meeting will mostly be riders trying and testing things on the bikes so best he waits till fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 15, 2016 Report Share Posted March 15, 2016 The way I read it is the one with the higher MA goes into the 1-5 whether or not he's a tier 1 or tier 2 rider. 17.5.1 Only one EDR (the one with the highest MA) may move into a Team’s top 1-5. 17.5.2 Of the riders nominated for the meeting they will line up in the following positions a) The 1st, 2nd and 3rd riders (by MA) must ride at either #1 #3 or #5.The 4th and 5th riders (by MA) must ride at either #2 or #4. c) The 6th and 7th riders (by MA) must ride at #6 or #7. NB, only an EDR may ride at #7. Taken from the new rules. I think this is a case of what the rules says and what the rule is meant to say. I think it was meant to say that the rider who starts as 2nd reserve cannot go into the 1-5 but what that says is that if one of your reserve has a higher average than a 1-5 rider he goes into the 1-5 but if both of them do them only the higher of the two moves into the 1-5. So potentially your two EDR riders could be numbers 1 and 2 in your averages but only the one will ride in the 1-5 but next month they could swap and be 2 and 1 in your averages so they'll swap position. Obviously thats an extreme case and won't happen but in theory... And it certainly could happen that they're 4th and 5th in your averages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted March 15, 2016 Report Share Posted March 15, 2016 (edited) The bruising on KK's shoulder really came out over night - so black and blue - and that was before the physio today!! With only the 2 pieces of silverware available to EL clubs, Poole - and doubtless Coventry too - will be going all out to win the ES. The thing I find crazy about the Buzz situation is he has come in as a 2nd string but has to ride at a heat leader position. Buzz rides in the 3rd Heat Leader position because his average (from 2014) puts him 3rd in Poole's averages. Similarly Hans who was signed from the EL Heat Leader list (based on 2015 performance) will start as a 2nd string as his average is 4th in Poole's list. Simples. Edited March 15, 2016 by Skidder1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted March 15, 2016 Report Share Posted March 15, 2016 The bruising on KK's shoulder really came out over night - so black and blue - and that was before the physio today!! With only the 2 pieces of silverware available to EL clubs, Poole - and doubtless Coventry too - will be going all out to win the ES. Buzz rides in the 3rd Heat Leader position because his average (from 2014) puts him 3rd in Poole's averages. Similarly Hans who was signed from the EL Heat Leader list (based on 2015 performance) will start as a 2nd string as his average is 4th in Poole's list. Simples. I know it is simple how they have done it.The crazy thing about this situation is you have Buzz declared in your line-up as 2nd string riding as HL and a HL declared in your line up riding at 2nd string.You cant tell me that isn't crazy.So in theory you have 4 HLs and 3 2nd strings in your 1-5 that's definately crazy. Don't worry Lynn have Lambert as 2nd string having to ride as a HL.But then we only have 2 HLs anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4gillian Posted March 15, 2016 Report Share Posted March 15, 2016 What folk need to remember is ANY club could have signed Buzz or Hans...Poole just had the vision to do it when other clubs didn't. As Skids would say, simples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted March 15, 2016 Report Share Posted March 15, 2016 What folk need to remember is ANY club could have signed Buzz or Hans...Poole just had the vision to do it when other clubs didn't. As Skids would say, simples. And we are all very glad he did, Bucko is a class act and a very exciting rider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted March 15, 2016 Report Share Posted March 15, 2016 What folk need to remember is ANY club could have signed Buzz or Hans...Poole just had the vision to do it when other clubs didn't. As Skids would say, simples. That's the sort of thing Starman says! RR for Kaspazak tomorrow to give the riders more track time. He is hoping to be back Friday. This meeting will mostly be riders trying and testing things on the bikes so best he waits till fit. A good chance for Coventry to win some silverware and they treat it as a challenge meeting. Unbelievable. No ambition whatsoever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted March 15, 2016 Report Share Posted March 15, 2016 RR for Kaspazak tomorrow to give the riders more track time. He is hoping to be back Friday. This meeting will mostly be riders trying and testing things on the bikes so best he waits till fit. well i hope to see him friday as i am planning to make the trip weather permitting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 15, 2016 Report Share Posted March 15, 2016 What folk need to remember is ANY club could have signed Buzz or Hans...Poole just had the vision to do it when other clubs didn't. As Skids would say, simples. Maybe so but surely you can see how Danny King on 6.48 being a heat leader but Buzz on the same 6.48 average being a second string is not fair, whoever gains from it. Even more so when you consider about half of Dannys meetings were ridden as second string so giving him an inflated average! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted March 15, 2016 Report Share Posted March 15, 2016 What folk need to remember is ANY club could have signed Buzz or Hans...Poole just had the vision to do it when other clubs didn't. As Skids would say, simples. Yes you are correct in that any other club could have signed him if it fit in with his schedule,i'm not denying that.I am just saying how crazy it has turned out that he has to ride as HL and Andersen as 2nd string.When they are both declared the other way around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bagpuss Posted March 15, 2016 Report Share Posted March 15, 2016 What folk need to remember is ANY club could have signed Buzz or Hans...Poole just had the vision to do it when other clubs didn't. As Skids would say, simples. And the chequebook to price others out I would imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tellboy Posted March 15, 2016 Report Share Posted March 15, 2016 Maybe so but surely you can see how Danny King on 6.48 being a heat leader but Buzz on the same 6.48 average being a second string is not fair, whoever gains from it. Even more so when you consider about half of Dannys meetings were ridden as second string so giving him an inflated average! Isnt Rory Schlein a HL on a 6.24(not sure)and he virtually missed all of last season too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 15, 2016 Report Share Posted March 15, 2016 Isnt Rory Schlein a HL on a 6.24(not sure)and he virtually missed all of last season too TBF 100% of Rorys meetings have come from riding as a heat leader. He is very much a heat leader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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