chris4gillian Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Garrity is now quite clearly the better rider backed up by the facts. Higher average in the premier league, made the top 4 in the British Final and is in the GB squad. That's not to say Newman can't get to that level he just isn't there yet. The Poole fans who seem to think Newman is better see him just ride at home beating fast track reserves. Newman has the ability to beat Garrity at home but let's talk about this debate when Newman makes a British Final or GP Newman made plenty of tactical change (i.e. substitute) rides last season and comfortably beat plenty of heat leaders and second strings at Poole so that negates the above highlighted statement. Some of us are saying we prefer Newman to Garrity for more reasons than just averages....and these are personal opinions. I have not once said one or the other is better, just expressed my own opinion. However, I have stated that I feel it's unlikely Garrity will ride for Team GB and it's very possible that Newman won't either, but Newman currently has the better style, control and ability IN MY OPINION. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 (edited) The water mark for a team GB rider isn’t very high, as a general point “won’t make team GB” is an utter straw man of an argument just now in relation to Newman or Garrity. Harris and Nicholls are getting on in their careers and Cook isn’t exactly a Spring Chicken either. It is likely that Woffinden and Lambert will be the only two riders who are regularly nailed on for Team GB race jackets in a few years time, after that there is a much of a muchness re Garrity, Newman, Worral and Co, if you were ranking it is as a % chance of these guys representing team GB it would be pretty high, even higher if there was any kind of change to the SWC format. Who are the riders that are going to stop them? A 30 year old plus Danny King or Kennet? To put even further context on it, if Garrity has a decent season this year it isn’t entirely out of the question he could make the squad given he is arguably the country’s 6 or 7th best rider and a better rider than someone like Cook was at the same age. Edited March 17, 2016 by sparkafag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Let's be honest there shouldn't even be a debate as to who is the better rider at the moment. Garrity 8pt PL rider a 2nd string at EL level, finishing 4th in the British Final and made a GP appearance. Newman hasn't shown anything near that yet but he could do in future.Be interesting to see how Garrity does in the British Final now it's not at his favourite track! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Exactly. Newman, Garrity, Worrall, Howarth, Auty, Wilkinson, Wright etc should all of been forced to go into the top 5 to attempt to further their developement,n. Hang on, I didn't say all the others. Newman and Garrity were the stand out riders last year and should both be capable of holding down a bona fide second string spot with the option of dropping to reserve when appropriate. The rest we can all have deferent opinions about but it makes a mockery of it to put Newman as EDR reserve, as it would if Garrity was at reserve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScotsman Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 The water mark for a team GB rider isn’t very high, as a general point “won’t make team GB” is an utter straw man of an argument just now in relation to Newman or Garrity. Harris and Nicholls are getting on in their careers and Cook isn’t exactly a Spring Chicken either. It is likely that Woffinden and Lambert will be the only two riders who are regularly nailed on for Team GB race jackets in a few years time, after that there is a much of a muchness re Garrity, Newman, Worral and Co, if you were ranking it is as a % chance of these guys representing team GB it would be pretty high, even higher if there was any kind of change to the SWC format. Who are the riders that are going to stop them? A 30 year old plus Danny King or Kennet? To put even further context on it, if Garrity has a decent season this year it isn’t entirely out of the question he could make the squad given he is arguably the country’s 6 or 7th best rider and a better rider than someone like Cook was at the same age. I never understand the focus some folks have on a rider's age. So Cookie is no "Spring Chicken"? Hell he's only 28, compared to Woffy's 25!! And he's been riding 2 years less than Woffy - even more if you count Woffy's Aussie beginnings. And only 1 year more than Garrity. So Woffy and Cookie have another 10 years to go to match the ages of Harris & Nicholls. So Garrity might have a long wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Be interesting to see how Garrity does in the British Final now it's not at his favourite track! Shame its not at Belle Vues old stadium, he was excellent there too! Or Coventry. He has a few tracks he enjoys. Would not be surprised if he made the semis yet again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric i Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Kyle Newman seems to save his best for the Elite League, does he use different bike for the Elite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Kyle Newman seems to save his best for the Elite League, does he use different bike for the Elite? No he just loves us and always pulls out all the stops for Poole. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve0 Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 I never understand the focus some folks have on a rider's age. So Cookie is no "Spring Chicken"? Hell he's only 28, compared to Woffy's 25!! And he's been riding 2 years less than Woffy - even more if you count Woffy's Aussie beginnings. And only 1 year more than Garrity. So Woffy and Cookie have another 10 years to go to match the ages of Harris & Nicholls. So Garrity might have a long wait. Have to agree about age. Look at the Grin - still at the top of his game at his age!! However, if he does lose form, people will blame it on his age 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 No he just loves us and always pulls out all the stops for Poole. So he doesn't do that for Plymouth? Shocking . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Kyle Newman seems to save his best for the Elite League, does he use different bike for the Elite? He rides against better riders in the Premier League than the 2nd strings & draft reserves he rides against in the Elite League. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparkafag Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 I never understand the focus some folks have on a rider's age. So Cookie is no "Spring Chicken"? Hell he's only 28, compared to Woffy's 25!! And he's been riding 2 years less than Woffy - even more if you count Woffy's Aussie beginnings. And only 1 year more than Garrity. So Woffy and Cookie have another 10 years to go to match the ages of Harris & Nicholls. So Garrity might have a long wait. Because it's relative rather than a criticism in 10 years time Cook will be 38, for a rider that's old and the chances are he will be on the downward spirals, more than like retired while Garritty will be entering his late 20s, generally the peak of s riders powers. it's all well and good referencing guys like Hancock and how he is 45, so is Mark Loram, Leigh Adams and Jason Crump guys who have been retired for years Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mdmc82 Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Kyle Newman seems to save his best for the Elite League, does he use different bike for the Elite? He mainly has easier races in the EL though as only against other reserves & 2nd strings most of the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 He mainly has easier races in the EL though as only against other reserves & 2nd strings most of the time What are you going to say when he moves into the team proper ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Game On Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 What are you going to say when he moves into the team proper ?? Watch this space Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorset delight Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 He rides against better riders in the Premier League than the 2nd strings & draft reserves he rides against in the Elite League. Tells you all you need to know about the elite league then Will the last one out turn off the light 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eric i Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 He rides against better riders in the Premier League than the 2nd strings & draft reserves he rides against in the Elite League. Yes but even accounting for his easier rides he seems to ride at higher standard in the Elite League. It would be better if fast track rider averages were based on the elite league scores rather than their premier league scores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy robin Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Yes but even accounting for his easier rides he seems to ride at higher standard in the Elite League. It would be better if fast track rider averages were based on the elite league scores rather than their premier league scores. Look at all the riders who finished above Newman in the Premier League averages last season & think how many points they would get riding at reserve. All these draft reserves have had it easier than any rider in the history of the sport. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted March 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Yes but even accounting for his easier rides he seems to ride at higher standard in the Elite League. It would be better if fast track rider averages were based on the elite league scores rather than their premier league scores. Suprised the conspiracy theorists havent yet jumped on the "hes keeping his pl average down so that he gets a berth for Poole". I do struggle to understand why people think Garrity is better than Newman. Never seen anything to prove that is the case. Newman just seems a more complete rider. Better style, track craft and has had Garrity in his pocket for a while now. Guess we will see tomorrow night when they meet again. Just my opinion of course but I would have Newman in my 1-7 any day over Garrity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreverblue Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Newman may not have the abilty of Garrity but he nearly always gets the best out of himself and rarely drops points by over riding. Garrity is talented but he often over rides and loses points by locking up or crashing and thinks he is better than he actually is whereas although ambitious Newman knows his limitations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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