bigcatdiary Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Okay, if he does get paid more how do they do it without other promoters knowing? Genuine question! Beggars belief Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4gillian Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 I have to say that first paragraph made me laugh. Talk about naïve Officially he cannot earn more...and I will never post he can or does. Hilarious that innit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Officially he cannot earn more...and I will never post he can or does. Hilarious that innit. Officially i cant get paid double time on a saturday or a sunday, the little wad of cash i receive on a sunday afternoon proves it can still happen tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4gillian Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 As for the "Rosco wont look at Garrity for selection" , if he carries on improving like he has been, i see no reason why he shouldnt. Improved hugely in the Pl, would be a number one in most other sides away from sheffield, and imo was better than Newman in the el last season. I dont think he will go all the way, but has the talent to at least be as good as craig cook imo. Too wreckless to make the gps though, unless he calms down. Damn right hes a better prospect than Newman though. Delusional, coming from a Poole fan? Haha Are you Garrity's brother? Only a fool would ever believe Garrity will ride for Team GB. As for Garrity being better than Newman, that's a matter of personal opinion. Personally I would pick Newman over Garrity every day of the week, but that's MY personal opinion. And I say that a speedway fan, not a Poole supporter. Officially i cant get paid double time on a saturday or a sunday, the little wad of cash i receive on a sunday afternoon proves it can still happen tho Do HM Revenues and Customs know about this? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Are you Garrity's brother? Only a fool would ever believe Garrity will ride for Team GB. As for Garrity being better than Newman, that's a matter of personal opinion. Personally I would pick Newman over Garrity every day of the week, but that's MY personal opinion. And I say that a speedway fan, not a Poole supporter. Why? The likes of king, stead, kennett and barker have so no reason why garrity wont. Much better rider than newman imo and if he wasnt so wreckless he would be even better. Out of interest what are their respective el aves? Are you Garrity's brother? Only a fool would ever believe Garrity will ride for Team GB. As for Garrity being better than Newman, that's a matter of personal opinion. Personally I would pick Newman over Garrity every day of the week, but that's MY personal opinion. And I say that a speedway fan, not a Poole supporter. Do HM Revenues and Customs know about this? Seeing as im In Aussie, i doubt it and i doubt theyd care Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Hmmm, surely other promoters would be looking into it if it's sooo obvious. Or don't they care? But surely other promoters would make sure it's adhered to, otherwise what is the point of a pay cap? They are all using the same methods to pay people more . they agree a pay cap knowing full well they wont stick to it ,but hoping someone else will , Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4gillian Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Why? The likes of king, stead, kennett and barker have so no reason why garrity wont. Much better rider than newman imo and if he wasnt so wreckless he would be even better. Out of interest what are their respective el aves? All those riders you've quoted are/have been better than Garrity...so that's a non-argument. I said it was my personal opinion only so averages are irrelevant. There are also other things to take into account...skill, ability, recklessness...etc. etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Are you serious? Every promoter in the league probably does it, Garrity himself was probably offered it to stay reserve but as i said hes showed ambition and moved up!!! Your telling me Josh Auty, an established number one, is riding in the el for the same money as Kyle Newman, a pl second string/third heatleader? No chance. Both of these will be on different wages, how their payed is anyones guess, same as Worrall, Kerr, Howarth etc. Bet Davey Watts looking forward to the huge drop in wages as well Then what is the point of a pay cap then? Seems stupid to me if nobody is going to stick to it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Why? The likes of king, stead, kennett and barker have so no reason why garrity wont. Much better rider than newman imo and if he wasnt so wreckless he would be even better. Out of interest what are their respective el aves? Seeing as im In Aussie, i doubt it and i doubt theyd care Its a shame you're not in UK nor in the Coventry pits last night!! You could have given Garrity the benefit of your encouragement and he may have come closer to scoring more than 3 points, including being beaten by both Newman and Ellis!! :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Then what is the point of a pay cap then? Seems stupid to me if nobody is going to stick to it! Bring back Starman all is forgiven . 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Oh and why does every single Poole vs Coventry thread get turned into a Garrity vs Newman debate. Poole fans prefer Newman and Coventry fans prefer Garrity. What else is there to say? Bring back Starman all is forgiven .Ha ha. Cos you can't answer the question! Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 All those riders you've quoted are/have been better than Garrity...so that's a non-argument. I said it was my personal opinion only so averages are irrelevant. There are also other things to take into account...skill, ability, recklessness...etc. etc. And?hes still young and improving. Hes a better talent than Newman and figures will back that up. Its a shame you're not in UK nor in the Coventry pits last night!! You could have given Garrity the benefit of your encouragement and he may have come closer to scoring more than 3 points, including being beaten by both Newman and Ellis!! :-) 3 points from number 2 away from home on his debut in a main team role. Lets see how Newman does in his meetings in the team before he goes back down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 (edited) The drafts were brought in to cut the wage bill the fact that it was explained to bring on British riders was secondary, the main aim was to cut costs. At the time it was being discussed and being brought in costs cutting was given as the main reason. In fact we were being told that clubs would go under if it didn't happen. It was only shortly after it was brought in that the story about bringing young Brits on started to be put out. If it's a cost cutting measure that's fair enough as long as they are up front about it, but we still come back to the fact that there is no way in the world that either Garrity or Newman could genuinely be called EDR riders any longer. They are both too good for that, and clearly keeping Newman on the EDR list makes a farce of the whole thing. Edited March 17, 2016 by E I Addio 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 (edited) At the time it was being discussed and being brought in costs cutting was given as the main reason. In fact we were being told that clubs would go under if it didn't happen. It was only shortly time after it was brought in that the story about bringing young Brits on started to be put out. If it's a cost cutting measure that's fair enough as long as they are up front about it, but we still come back to the fact that there is no way in the world that either Garrity or Newman could genuinely be called EDR riders any longer. They are both too good for that, and clearly keeping Newman on the EDR list makes a farce of the whole thing. Exactly. Newman, Garrity, Worrall, Howarth, Auty, Wilkinson, Wright etc should all of been forced to go into the top 5 to attempt to further their developement, moving all tier 2 riders to tier 1 and bringing a fresh crop of youngsters into the tier 2 slots. Only Coventry have done it properly, and their being punished now as every other team lines up with strong reserves. Theyve had their fun banging in huge scores from number 6 or 7, let them step up into the next stage. Im sorry, but for Wilkinson (and Carl is one of my favorite riders) to be riding in the draft some 15 years after his premier league debut is absolutely farcial. They may as well let any Brit in speedway ride in the draft. Where do you draw the line? Its a farcial system. Something that should work so well makes the sport look exactly what it is, essentially a circus. EDIT: Can understand allowing Kerr to continue in it after such a dreadful smash last season. Edited March 17, 2016 by Pinstripe69 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Exactly. Newman, Garrity, Worrall, Howarth, Auty, Wilkinson, Wright etc should all of been forced to go into the top 5 to attempt to further their developement, moving all tier 2 riders to tier 1 and bringing a fresh crop of youngsters into the tier 2 slots. Only Coventry have done it properly, and their being punished now as every other team lines up with strong reserves. Theyve had their fun banging in huge scores from number 6 or 7, let them step up into the next stage. Im sorry, but for Wilkinson (and Carl is one of my favorite riders) to be riding in the draft some 15 years after his premier league debut is absolutely farcial. They may as well let any Brit in speedway ride in the draft. Where do you draw the line? Its a farcial system. Something that should work so well makes the sport look exactly what it is, essentially a circus. EDIT: Can understand allowing Kerr to continue in it after such a dreadful smash last season. TBF Coventry haven't done it because they wanted to do it properly, they've done because Garrity forced the issue by refusing to enter the draft. I'm sure if he hadn't they'd have lined him up at reserve. As it stands I think Cov have made a decision that they may regret in the coming months. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 TBF Coventry haven't done it because they wanted to do it properly, they've done because Garrity forced the issue by refusing to enter the draft. I'm sure if he hadn't they'd have lined him up at reserve. As it stands I think Cov have made a decision that they may regret in the coming months. They could of ditched him and signed another tier 1 rider though, but didnt. Either way, how Coventry have lined up is exactly the method all clubs and their respective drafts should of been. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Jasper Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Oh and as for Rosco even looking at Garrity let alone considering him Pretty sure Garrity was in Croatia with the other british riders... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Ha ha. Cos you can't answer the question! Lol I think you'd better be careful Lisa as you are definitely turning into the female version of Starman. That's his standard answer. He said that to me and there wasn't even a question for me to answer. I offered to reply if he would tell me what he'd asked but strangely enough he's never got back to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4gillian Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 (edited) Pretty sure Garrity was in Croatia with the other british riders... For the experience only (just like a handful of others), be sure to let me know if he (like the other handful) is ever picked for Team GB in a meaningful completion though won't you. I think you'd better be careful Lisa as you are definitely turning into the female version of Starman. That's his standard answer. He said that to me and there wasn't even a question for me to answer. I offered to reply if he would tell me what he'd asked but strangely enough he's never got back to me. I think Lisa is taking the rise Gem! And?hes still young and improving. Hes a better talent than Newman and figures will back that up. 3 points from number 2 away from home on his debut in a main team role. Lets see how Newman does in his meetings in the team before he goes back down. Young, yes. Improving? Questionable. I already stated it was my personal opinion and justified why that opinion has been formulated. So stop quoting the figures argument. Edited March 17, 2016 by chris4gillian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted March 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Those who say Newman has no ambition are way off kilter. Whether he has the ability to match his ambition is another question. There is no doubt Newman has ambition. He has managed to get a team berth in Poland with Pila. Which Polish team is Garrity signed up for? So he is riding three leagues in 2016. EL, PL and Polish second Division. Will he be a Team GB rider in the future? Possibly, possibly not. But I did speak to him in the winter and he was not happy with his 2015 form and knew there was more to come, and said he needed to improve his gating. He has the determination but that alone is not enough and IMO will be a very decent second string/ third heat leader. Always seems to be not fast enough. When he wins a heat it is often half a second slower than other heats. Like to be proved wrong though. Garrity. Everytime I have seen him he is all over the place. Locking up and losing 20 metres, often over riding. Comparing him to Newman is chalk and cheese. Newman smooth and looking polished, Garrity very rough in his style. Because of this Newman tends most of the time to have Garrity in his pocket. We will have another opportunity to see if this is true tomorrow night. Both riders have ambition and want to get as far as they can in the sport. Not every ride can get to the top, and personally neither will be GP riders of the future. But both are capable with experience to represent their country in the future. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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