chris4gillian Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 I can only say its down to his ambition to go further in the sport. Pissing about as a fast track rider wont help that. Good on him. Rubbish. Its simply down to money. Newman wont be on pennys riding at reserve and as long as he continues to rack up maximums from there, hell make a small fortune. No I think you're talking rubbish...Kyle is on the agreed EDR rate the same as ALL of them. Kyle wants to ride for Poole, Kyle wants to do what's best for Poole and Kyle listens to Matt Ford and how he wants to build a team. He had a choice and chose to remain with Poole as their senior EDR. Get over it fella. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Absolute tosh. He knows hed score poorly as a 1-5 member thats why hes still at reserve. I think it makes a mockery of the sport the whole draft system. Should of been for two seasons only for tier 1 reserves, after that move up or dont bother. Garrity has the right attitude. He may struggle but rosco will take him a lot more seriously than a draft rider who, despite knowing hell clean up 9/10 in the draft system, decides to stay there for a third successive season. He should of told Ford where to go and done a Garrity, and lined up as a second string this season. Its all so predictable. Hell move up after the first set of averages, struggle and drop straight back down. Garrity cant do that unless he has a mare, as the coventry reserves are so poor. The drafts were brought in to bring on young brits, apart from one or two then all it is doing is making them easy money. Newmans bank balance will be swelling and if thats what he wants then fine, fair enough, but it shows what a farce the system is and it also shows he has no ambition on making jt to the top of the sport. Same for Howarth really, quite how he was allowed to drop back to the draft and why he chose to do so when he was going well enough as a second string for Swindon tells its own story. If the draft riders earn standard wages, why did a 2015 6 point second string decide to drop down to it for 2016? Confusing ... NOT!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4gillian Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 (edited) Absolute tosh. He knows hed score poorly as a 1-5 member thats why hes still at reserve. I think it makes a mockery of the sport the whole draft system. Should of been for two seasons only for tier 1 reserves, after that move up or dont bother. Garrity has the right attitude. He may struggle but rosco will take him a lot more seriously than a draft rider who, despite knowing hell clean up 9/10 in the draft system, decides to stay there for a third successive season. He should of told Ford where to go and done a Garrity, and lined up as a second string this season. Its all so predictable. Hell move up after the first set of averages, struggle and drop straight back down. Garrity cant do that unless he has a mare, as the coventry reserves are so poor. The drafts were brought in to bring on young brits, apart from one or two then all it is doing is making them easy money. Newmans bank balance will be swelling and if thats what he wants then fine, fair enough, but it shows what a farce the system is and it also shows he has no ambition on making jt to the top of the sport. Same for Howarth really, quite how he was allowed to drop back to the draft and why he chose to do so when he was going well enough as a second string for Swindon tells its own story. If the draft riders earn standard wages, why did a 2015 6 point second string decide to drop down to it for 2016? Confusing ... NOT!!! Codswallop. Try reading what's been posted as it explains everything. Why you keep banging on about swelling bank balances is beyond me as there is an agreed rate per point for the EDR's. Kyle cannot earn over and above that while riding at No. 7 Garriity doesn't have the right attitude at all, he thinks he's better than he actually is and has no team spirit because it's all about himself so he refused to ride as an EDR. Coventry are giving him a chance to prove himself. Would any other team do that at this stage of his ability? I think not. Just accept that Coventry have completely and utterly cocked up with their team building and Poole have played a blinder. End of. Oh and as for Rosco even looking at Garrity let alone considering him Edited March 17, 2016 by chris4gillian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 The drafts were brought in to bring on young brits, EL could have easily implemented British only riders at reserve and kept the original heat formula and then we wouldn't have had any of this average crap we have now. The drafts were brought in to cut the wage bill the fact that it was explained to bring on British riders was secondary, the main aim was to cut costs. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 No I think you're talking rubbish...Kyle is on the agreed EDR rate the same as ALL of them. Kyle wants to ride for Poole, Kyle wants to do what's best for Poole and Kyle listens to Matt Ford and how he wants to build a team. He had a choice and chose to remain with Poole as their senior EDR. Get over it fella. Lol ...what I hear Kyle gets paid very well to stay as a fast track ....not hard to figure out that he likely to be getting a lot more that the edr rate ...it suits him and Matt Ford very nicely . Surely no one ever thinks that Newman just stays as a fast track to earn the normal rate ? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
speedibee Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 No I think you're talking rubbish...Kyle is on the agreed EDR rate the same as ALL of them. Kyle wants to ride for Poole, Kyle wants to do what's best for Poole and Kyle listens to Matt Ford and how he wants to build a team. He had a choice and chose to remain with Poole as their senior EDR. Get over it fella. There have been lots of different pay caps in all leagues over the years and No club has ever broken the rules and found a way to pay more , Wake up and take your Blue and White glasses off you are making yourself look a fool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Okay, if he does get paid more how do they do it without other promoters knowing? Genuine question! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Okay, if he does get paid more how do they do it without other promoters knowing? Genuine question! Plain white envelopes into the back pocket perhaps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 (edited) Okay, if he does get paid more how do they do it without other promoters knowing? Genuine question! They don't tell them Edited March 17, 2016 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thehammer Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Through Sponsorship? Could even be cash in hand type job, there are definitely ways around doing it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theblueboy Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Sponsorship? Brown envelope in his exhaust pipe? Life is full of kickbacks and extras. Just because a pay rate is implemented and agreed it doesn't have to be adhered to. Ford has manipulated most things in speedway, so finding a few extra shekels, is a doddle. I cannot believe people, particularly Poole fans, are so naive to think Newman is busting his balls for the agreed rate. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LisaColette Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 They don't tell them Hmmm, surely other promoters would be looking into it if it's sooo obvious. Or don't they care? Sponsorship? Brown envelope in his exhaust pipe? Life is full of kickbacks and extras. Just because a pay rate is implemented and agreed it doesn't have to be adhered to. Ford has manipulated most things in speedway, so finding a few extra shekels, is a doddle. I cannot believe people, particularly Poole fans, are so naive to think Newman is busting his balls for the agreed rate. But surely other promoters would make sure it's adhered to, otherwise what is the point of a pay cap? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Hmmm, surely other promoters would be looking into it if it's sooo obvious. Or don't they care? How would they look into it ...follow Newman around 24/7 to see when Ford slips him a brown packet with cash in it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Codswallop. Try reading what's been posted as it explains everything. Why you keep banging on about swelling bank balances is beyond me as there is an agreed rate per point for the EDR's. Kyle cannot earn over and above that while riding at No. 7 Garriity doesn't have the right attitude at all, he thinks he's better than he actually is and has no team spirit because it's all about himself so he refused to ride as an EDR. Coventry are giving him a chance to prove himself. Would any other team do that at this stage of his ability? I think not. Just accept that Coventry have completely and utterly cocked up with their team building and Poole have played a blinder. End of. Oh and as for Rosco even looking at Garrity let alone considering him You seriously think the reserves get what their meant to, pay wise? There was a cap on wages in the NL before, i remember it was 10 or 20 quid a point. Yet you had riders who were decent second strings in the pl the season before riding in the NL.... On a tenner a point? Ha yeah right! Just because theres a pay cap, there are ways around many rules (your a poole fan, should know about that ) and have no doubt most these tier 1 reserves will be getting paid more than their allowance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 (edited) Just to be clear, Kyle Newman only agreed to start again as an EDR once the rule was agreed to allow the Tier one reserve to go into the 1-5. (He's made this perfectly clear in a number of public interviews). Had that rule not been agreed , Kyle would have taken the same stance as Garrity - the main difference being that he probably would not have been guaranteed a Poole place!! A place he feels strongly about as its his local club. Nothing wrong with that stance...........and I'm looking forward to Davey Watt's spell at reserve!! :-) ;-) Edited March 17, 2016 by Skidder1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Hmmm, surely other promoters would be looking into it if it's sooo obvious. Or don't they care? But surely other promoters would make sure it's adhered to, otherwise what is the point of a pay cap? Are you serious? Every promoter in the league probably does it, Garrity himself was probably offered it to stay reserve but as i said hes showed ambition and moved up!!! Your telling me Josh Auty, an established number one, is riding in the el for the same money as Kyle Newman, a pl second string/third heatleader? No chance. Both of these will be on different wages, how their payed is anyones guess, same as Worrall, Kerr, Howarth etc. Nothing wrong with that stance...........and I'm looking forward to Davey Watt's spell at reserve!! :-) ;-) Bet Davey Watts looking forward to the huge drop in wages as well 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4gillian Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 (edited) Okay, if he does get paid more how do they do it without other promoters knowing? Genuine question! Ignore them Lisa, they haven't got a clue and if they wish to think that Matt Ford is giving him back handers (LOL!!) then let 'em. All we care about is Kyle loves Poole, wants to ride for Poole and is happy to fit around things to be accommodated knowing that he has the opportunity to rise up into the main body of the team...and I think he will at some point. Just to be clear, Kyle Newman only agreed to start again as an EDR once the rule was agreed to allow the Tier one reserve to go into the 1-5. (He's made this perfectly clear in a number of public interviews). Had that rule not been agreed , Kyle would have taken the same stance as Garrity - the main difference being that he probably would not have been guaranteed a Poole place!! A place he feels strongly about as its his local club. Nothing wrong with that stance...........and I'm looking forward to Davey Watt's spell at reserve!! :-) ;-) Thank you Skids, the voice of reason saying the same (more or less) as I had posted Edited March 17, 2016 by chris4gillian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
acef Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Codswallop. Try reading what's been posted as it explains everything. Why you keep banging on about swelling bank balances is beyond me as there is an agreed rate per point for the EDR's. Kyle cannot earn over and above that while riding at No. 7 Garriity doesn't have the right attitude at all, he thinks he's better than he actually is and has no team spirit because it's all about himself so he refused to ride as an EDR. Coventry are giving him a chance to prove himself. Would any other team do that at this stage of his ability? I think not. Just accept that Coventry have completely and utterly cocked up with their team building and Poole have played a blinder. End of. Oh and as for Rosco even looking at Garrity let alone considering him I have to say that first paragraph made me laugh. Talk about naive 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris4gillian Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 Are you serious? Every promoter in the league probably does it, Garrity himself was probably offered it to stay reserve but as i said hes showed ambition and moved up!!! Your telling me Josh Auty, an established number one, is riding in the el for the same money as Kyle Newman, a pl second string/third heatleader? No chance. Both of these will be on different wages, how their payed is anyones guess, same as Worrall, Kerr, Howarth etc. Bet Davey Watts looking forward to the huge drop in wages as well Delusion is a wonderful thing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pinny Posted March 17, 2016 Report Share Posted March 17, 2016 (edited) As for the "Rosco wont look at Garrity for selection" , if he carries on improving like he has been, i see no reason why he shouldnt. Improved hugely in the Pl, would be a number one in most other sides away from sheffield, and imo was better than Newman in the el last season. I dont think he will go all the way, but has the talent to at least be as good as craig cook imo. Too wreckless to make the gps though, unless he calms down. Damn right hes a better prospect than Newman though. Delusion is a wonderful thing! Delusional, coming from a Poole fan? Haha Edited March 17, 2016 by Pinstripe69 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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