Brexit

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With reference to the red highlight - if that is a sarcastic comment, how do you know whether a number of British born riders are not being held back and not given a chance to flourish, due to being usurped by foreign riders? The National League is surely full of British born riders? It would then mean a return to only having foreign riders here who deserve to be here, based on true all round merit. I am not a football fan, but I am sure it would help football too.

i firmly beleive they are being held back and i do hope if Brexit happens (which i dont beleive it will) GB riders will benefit

[Humphrey Appleby]

With reference to the red highlight - if that is a sarcastic comment, how do you know whether a number of British born riders are not being held back and not given a chance to flourish, due to being usurped by foreign riders? The National League is surely full of British born riders? It would then mean a return to only having foreign riders here who deserve to be here, based on true all round merit. I am not a football fan, but I am sure it would help football too.

 

I think you have to ask what's to stop the British born riders being employed now? I actually agree that British speedway would benefit from employers riders wholeheartedly committed to racing in British meetings, but you only have to read the howls of 'watering the product down' that greets any suggestion, far less attempt at doing this.

 

And over on another thread, there's a discussion about bending over backwards to change race nights in some vainglorious attempt to bring the 'top boys' back.

[Ray Stadia]

 

I think you have to ask what's to stop the British born riders being employed now? I actually agree that British speedway would benefit from employers riders wholeheartedly committed to racing in British meetings, but you only have to read the howls of 'watering the product down' that greets any suggestion, far less attempt at doing this.

 

And over on another thread, there's a discussion about bending over backwards to change race nights in some vainglorious attempt to bring the 'top boys' back.

The answer, surely, is on the basis that promoters, if they can get it, want instant results, rather than nurture and grow a rider over time. Perhaps it could mean clubs building a team that supporters can recognise from one season to the next, which supporters have been asking for. Perhaps the product, for some supporters, would be watered down initially, but would thicken up, as time goes by.

[Trevor]

 

I think you have to ask what's to stop the British born riders being employed now? I actually agree that British speedway would benefit from employers riders wholeheartedly committed to racing in British meetings, but you only have to read the howls of 'watering the product down' that greets any suggestion, far less attempt at doing this.

 

And over on another thread, there's a discussion about bending over backwards to change race nights in some vainglorious attempt to bring the 'top boys' back.

 

Cannot see any problem with 'top boys' getting work permits it's those who are much lower down on the pecking order who could struggle.

[Humphrey Appleby]

 

Cannot see any problem with 'top boys' getting work permits it's those who are much lower down on the pecking order who could struggle.

 

On the one hand people say they want more British riders. On the other hand they want to see more of the 'top boys'.

 

How many of the 'top boys' are British?

[Humphrey Appleby]

The answer, surely, is on the basis that promoters, if they can get it, want instant results, rather than nurture and grow a rider over time.

I think the issue in the past, and possibly still now, is that local riders attracted transfer and loan fees whereas unsigned foreign riders didn't. That was entirely due to the lack of cooperation between the various leagues, and an old fashioned system of self-interest rather than looking at the bigger picture.

 

Perhaps it could mean clubs building a team that supporters can recognise from one season to the next, which supporters have been asking for.

That's a somewhat different issue and will not be solved until promoters are willing to change the current points limit system that's not only punitive towards teams finishing merely in the top half of the table, but encourages average manipulation and finding riders to come in on artificially low assessed riders. You can mandate all the British riders you like, but you still won't get any consistency under the current team building system.

 

Perhaps the product, for some supporters, would be watered down initially, but would thicken up, as time goes by.

Of course that would be the case, but it still doesn't stop the howls of outrage and supporters threatening to walk away from the sport. The decision to make of course is whether you'd expect to attract more new fans to replace those lost.

[Ray Stadia]

I think the issue in the past, and possibly still now, is that local riders attracted transfer and loan fees whereas unsigned foreign riders didn't. That was entirely due to the lack of cooperation between the various leagues, and an old fashioned system of self-interest rather than looking at the bigger picture.

 

 

That's a somewhat different issue and will not be solved until promoters are willing to change the current points limit system that's not only punitive towards teams finishing merely in the top half of the table, but encourages average manipulation and finding riders to come in on artificially low assessed riders. You can mandate all the British riders you like, but you still won't get any consistency under the current team building system.

 

 

Of course that would be the case, but it still doesn't stop the howls of outrage and supporters threatening to walk away from the sport. The decision to make of course is whether you'd expect to attract more new fans to replace those lost.

Perhaps if we left the EU it would create an opportunity for a watershed with reference to the above views?