Shale Searcher Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 Ok, so this subject has cropped up on a couple of threads recently.. Can anyone enlighten us on instances, details of such exclusions, why the rule existed, how it effected team riding and when the rule was taken out the much maligned and criticised rule book? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 Crikey if that rule existed today, Eddie Kennett would never finish a race!!!! 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Potter 2 Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 Les Collins Rye House v Stoke 1976. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted March 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 (edited) Les Collins Rye House v Stoke 1976. Really, as late as that?? Team riding needs 2 riders to know where each other are on track, how is that, sorry, how can that be achieved if you can't look back to check where your partner is and where the opposition is....! I have never knowingly seen a rider get excluded for this offence, I.E, I was only 6, maybe 7 when I was imtrodued to speedway.. Edited March 2, 2016 by Shale Searcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan_Jones Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 Ok, so this subject has cropped up on a couple of threads recently.. Can anyone enlighten us on instances, details of such exclusions, why the rule existed, how it effected team riding and when the rule was taken out the much maligned and criticised rule book? Â Now we've got a formal thread on the subject, here's the full regulation from 1971; Â "210. Foul or Dangerous Riding. - The Referee shall exclude immediately a rider who, in his opinion, indulges in foul, unfair or dangerous conduct including any rider who steers or drifts from his course in such a manner as to impede any rider who may be attempting to pass. When in the Referee's opinion, such conduct has given an advantage to the team of which the offender is a member, or, in the case of a non-team event, jeopardised the fair chance of one or more of the other riders, the Referee shall stop the race and order a re-run. A rider turning his head to look backwards may be warned and for a repetition of the offence may be excluded. There shall be no protest or appeal against a Referee's decision as to foul riding." Â By 1978 it had been trimmed down to read; Â "210. Foul or Dangerous Riding. - The Referee shall exclude immediately a rider who, in his opinion, indulges in foul, unfair or dangerous conduct including any rider who steers or drifts from his course in such a manner as to impede any rider who may be attempting to pass. When, in the Referee's opinion, such conduct has jeopardised the fair chance of one or more of the other riders, the Referee shall stop the race and order a re-run. There shall be no protest or appeal against a Referee's decision as to foul riding." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnieg Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 (edited) Rule 210 (Foul or Dangerous Riding) - it is in the 1977 rulebook, but gone by 1982 the next copy I have. Â "A rider turning his head to look backwards may be warned and for a repetition of the offence may be excluded." Edit: Looks like Alan Jones beat me to it! Edited March 2, 2016 by arnieg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted March 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 So, were many riders excluded for the offence of looking behind...? And did it effect the art of team riding? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reviresco Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 Les Collins Rye House v Stoke 1976. Â Great knowledge! Looking back at the records, this looks like it may have been during Stoke's challenge match at Hoddesdon on 05 September 1976. Â I remember it being announced that John Louis had been warned by the referee for looking behind him (for his team mate) during a British League meeting at Foxhall in, I believe, 1976 also. Â (As mentioned on the Coventry's New Stadium thread, Jack Parker may have been the first rider to be excluded under this regulation during what is shown as being the first meeting to be held at Monmore Green on 30 May 1928 when he was excluded from the 350cc Final, won by Bert Perrigo, for looking behind.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skydog Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 So the rule was gone by 78? I thought I remembered Bo Petersen being warned or excluded for it in the early 80s. Maybe it was just my Dad saying he should have been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybikespeedway Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 how about Ove Fundin 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted March 2, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 how about Ove Fundin That's a cheeky look back if ever I saw one!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no-brakes-uk Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 I can remember Dave Lanning commenting that "you're not really supposed to look back in a speedway race" and always wondered what he meant. I can't recall the race or who he was referring to but it was in the 80s. Shawn Moran used to look behind him more than he looked in front of him but it never did him any harm. John Cook was another 'serial offender'.. I think it adds an element of character to the riders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 I can remember Dave Lanning commenting that "you're not really supposed to look back in a speedway race" and always wondered what he meant. I can't recall the race or who he was referring to but it was in the 80s. Shawn Moran used to look behind him more than he looked in front of him but it never did him any harm. John Cook was another 'serial offender'.. I think it adds an element of character to the riders. If that was the case what is the point of a pairs meeting. There was nothing better than seeing Leigh Adams looking behind while shepherding a young number two rider around for a 5 - 1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
no-brakes-uk Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 (edited) If that was the case what is the point of a pairs meeting. There was nothing better than seeing Leigh Adams looking behind while shepherding a young number two rider around for a 5 - 1. I presume he was referring to the apparent old rule which by then would have been scrapped. It does seem a ridiculous rule but saying that, speedway is riddled with them. Here's one of my favourite "look backs" from Greg Hancock on the last bend of heat 20 in the World Cup semi in 2012... Edited March 3, 2016 by no-brakes-uk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 What was the logic behind the 'not looking back' rule? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Star Lady Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 What was the logic behind the 'not looking back' rule? Now you are in the realms of fantasy. Â Speedway rules and logic!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gee jay Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 if that rule had been kept up through the last 30 years Tony Atkin would have had to have done a lot more window cleaning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 What was the logic behind the 'not looking back' rule? I don't know the official reason but perhaps because you should be looking where you're going. Â I saw many riders looking back but can't remember any exclusions. Maybe because it was discretionary "may be warned". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve roberts Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 John Davis used to make a habit of looking behind him (as Simmo often commented upon) whilst racing. I recall on at least one occasion when John was leading a race and kept looking over his left shoulder to see where Gordon Kennett was (rather than riding his own race) and drifted wider and wider on each bend eventually allowing Gordon to pass him on the inside! Â Andrew Silver was another who constantly looked for his opponents whilst racing. Â I guess that there is a fine line between looking out for one's partner and not taking due care...hence the confusion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazzac Posted March 4, 2016 Report Share Posted March 4, 2016 Probably the only thing Nicki Pedersen hasn't been excluded for! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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