barncooseboy Posted February 28, 2016 Report Share Posted February 28, 2016 no need to worry about GP riders not being available on Friday nights, there will be no gp riders in british speedway next seasonelite league teams will build to pl strength, all non national leagu teams will be in one league status, maybe split north and south play offs will b top 2 north v top 2 south think some pl teams may bite the bullet and drop to the national could reduce travelling if they went east/west instead of north/south peripheral location teams like Plymouth, Edinburgh, Glasgow and Berwick will not have their applications for league status accepted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidder1 Posted February 28, 2016 Report Share Posted February 28, 2016 If recent comments from those now in charge are anything to go by then there will be a league in which some GP stars (and other top non-GP riders) will compete in - albeit its unsure as to how many teams will be in it and how many of those teams will also run a lower standard (non-GP riders) in a regional division of Premier League standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted February 28, 2016 Report Share Posted February 28, 2016 (edited) If what is being described happens, it could look similar to the way cycle speedway is run... Â I.e. in cycle speedway, the Elite League team will have 'top riders' from various teams, who usually represent 'their own' clubs in various regional comps, taking to the track for them... Â In the regional comps, the EL team still put out a team of a lesser level of 'their own' riders.. Â The regional comps are the usual weekly matches with the EL running around once a month, with each team meeting home and away once... Â Might be an ideal solution for British Speedway to get the top riders back, create more 'local derbies', and equalise team strengths better for the non EL matches which would make up the majority of the seasons fixtures..? Â Throw in a national cup and/or a play off system for the 'bread and butter' league based on the top regional winners and you may have a decent, consistent, product to sell? Edited February 28, 2016 by mikebv 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted February 28, 2016 Report Share Posted February 28, 2016 no need to worry about GP riders not being available on Friday nights, there will be no gp riders in british speedway next season elite league teams will build to pl strength, all non national leagu teams will be in one league status, maybe split north and south play offs will b top 2 north v top 2 south think some pl teams may bite the bullet and drop to the national could reduce travelling if they went east/west instead of north/south peripheral location teams like Plymouth, Edinburgh, Glasgow and Berwick will not have their applications for league status accepted Hope it's not that, dreadful. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted February 28, 2016 Report Share Posted February 28, 2016 no need to worry about GP riders not being available on Friday nights, there will be no gp riders in british speedway next season elite league teams will build to pl strength, all non national leagu teams will be in one league status, maybe split north and south play offs will b top 2 north v top 2 south think some pl teams may bite the bullet and drop to the national could reduce travelling if they went east/west instead of north/south peripheral location teams like Plymouth, Edinburgh, Glasgow and Berwick will not have their applications for league status accepted Well the future seems bright for these teams eh? Edinburgh and Glasgow the top two teams in the PL last year but unfortunately too far north. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted February 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted February 29, 2016 if we do see a single race night next year which means only one home fixture every two weeks is that sufficient to sustain a club given that with eight teams this will mean the regular season could be over inside four months. I.e start in mid and the season will be over by end of July/August. Â OK, the season could start later, or perhaps the number of clubs will be increased to lengthen the season and through in a new cup competition and we may see a worthwhile number of meetings after all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T.N.T. Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 (edited) no need to worry about GP riders not being available on Friday nights, there will be no gp riders in british speedway next season elite league teams will build to pl strength, all non national leagu teams will be in one league status, maybe split north and south play offs will b top 2 north v top 2 south think some pl teams may bite the bullet and drop to the national could reduce travelling if they went east/west instead of north/south peripheral location teams like Plymouth, Edinburgh, Glasgow and Berwick will not have their applications for league status accepted Almost right but in 2017 there will be an Elite League still but run on the fixed race night running alongside the fixtures in the two groups.  Elite League teams will be the top five of the regular team plus two star\squad riders and teams will only run one home and one away against each other.   So Wolverhampton for example would run 7 Elite League meetings on the set race night and 10 British League meetings on a Monday.  Rye House for example would run 10 British League meetings and also 13 Premier League meetings although this could be cut down to 6 if teams in the Premier League ran their British League meetings against each other as fixtures in both leagues when they race against teams in their own BL group.   Wolverhampton (example)  Tai Woffinden Piotr Pawlicki Peter Karlsson Tobiasz Musielak  Any two from above ride in the Elite fixtures while Karlsson and Musielak can be used in the British League fixtures if required to cover for the top four.   Jacob Thorssell RIcky Wells Ty Proctor Nicolai Klindt Ashley Morris Max Clegg NL draft Matt Williamson NL draft Edited March 1, 2016 by T.N.T. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted March 1, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 Almost right but in 2017 there will be an Elite League still but run on the fixed race night running alongside the fixtures in the two groups. Â Elite League teams will be the top five of the regular team plus two star\squad riders and teams will only run one home and one away against each other. Â Â Â So if I understand you correctly. Take Leicester. They would run 7 Elite League meetings during the season every alternate Wednesday whilst staging weekly "British League "meetings on a Saturday (their current race night). This seems very workable, but how far do you believe the promoters will be able to promote two meetings in a week? also how many promoters would be up for it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aces51 Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 (edited) And how many fans can afford two home meetings a week and will will be bothered to go to watch what they will consider to be their second team? Â The farce of pandering to the GP stars is that we all know that if Poland could no longer afford them they would be back here demanding more than 14 fixtures a year to bolster their earnings. Â Concentrate on those who want to ride here and producing British talent. In a relatively short time we shall have new stars, teams fans can watch develop and relate to and a strong future for the sport in the UK. Edited March 1, 2016 by Aces51 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 And how many fans can afford two home meetings a week and will will be bothered to go to watch what they will consider to be their second team? Â The farce of pandering to the GP stars is that we all know that if Poland could no longer afford them they would be back here demanding more than 14 fixtures a year to bolster their earnings. Â Concentrate on those who want to ride here and producing British talent. In a relatively short time we shall have new stars, teams fans can watch develop and relate to and a strong future for the sport in the UK. I agree, go with what we have, Polish Speedway will go t**s up before too long, and they'll be back knocking on the Elite Leagues door with the begging bowls out.. Â Consolidate with what we have... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 Might be an ideal solution for British Speedway to get the top riders back, create more 'local derbies', and equalise team strengths better for the non EL matches which would make up the majority of the seasons fixtures..? I think it would be a disaster. Having a two-tier system will just make the non-elite matches second class in the eyes of fans, and they'll just pick-and-choose their meetings even if British speedway could afford the 'top boys' anyway. Â Teams need to choose an appropriate level to run at for the entire season, and sign riders who can commit to all the fixtures. Maybe it's possible for the BEL to run a short 14-season home and away season (possibly throwing in some sort of supplementary cup) and be done with it, but I'd expect those teams renting stadiums will have agreements for more than 7 meetings a year. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agrotron Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 How will this work with clubs that don't own there stadiums and have to run on the night set out by stadium owners? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 How will this work with clubs that don't own there stadiums and have to run on the night set out by stadium owners? It wont, which is what people have been saying for ages. Some clubs will drop to a lower league or pack it in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidder1 Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 Clubs have been working towards this one/two night EL speedway for at least a couple of years (3 by 2017) in order that their racing night can be properly negotiated and giving all the appropriate notice to their respective stadium owners. Â Bearing in mind most (not all) stadium landlords keep all the revenue from car parking, bars and refreshments, they are not likely to turn a total blind eye to Speedway's requirements and risk the loss of speedway income and rental. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 Clubs have been working towards this one/two night EL speedway for at least a couple of years (3 by 2017) in order that their racing night can be properly negotiated and giving all the appropriate notice to their respective stadium owners. It's probably logistically possible for the EL to run on 1 or 2 nights, but whether it's economically feasible is another matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skidder1 Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 Well I don't think it'll be the current 8 EL clubs in the new 'streamlined' version, unless any that do drop out are replaced by a similar number of aspirational PL clubs?! Stranger things may happen.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 carnt see itgoin ** up amytime soon there loads of exciting polish youngsters prezpelski. zmarlik.pawlicki.to name but a few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 carnt see itgoin ** up amytime soon there loads of exciting polish youngsters prezpelski. zmarlik.pawlicki.to name but a few. Have a read about what's been going on in Polish Speedway over the winter, we thought British Speedway was a shambles! Its all very well having the riders who are paid handsomely but when the money runs out over there how good would they be then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1 valve Posted March 3, 2016 Author Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 (edited) It's probably logistically possible for the EL to run on 1 or 2 nights, but whether it's economically feasible is another matter. Running on the same 1 or 2 nights will actually help the economics in terms of cost per meeting. The challenge will be if restricted to one night, then there will be a reduction in actual meetings per season. this may be ok for clubs that rent the stadium given that stadium costs are variable in those instances (although the landlords may increase "the rent" to make up for lower income) For those clubs who own the stadium then 7 home meetings a year will be far from sufficient to maintain the cost of ownership. Â That particular problem goes away and profit is maximized if two back to back race nights are adopted on the basis that this will provide weekly fixtures. Edited March 3, 2016 by 1 valve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robert72 Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 The fixed race night will be on a Wednesday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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