orion Posted February 18, 2016 Report Share Posted February 18, 2016 (edited) One/two night racing is a good idea in theory but in practice it will never work............. Two reasons - one is that most stadia are shared with other users and and therefore may be expected to change the nights their events are held which could be to the detriment of their sports................ Two - local authority restrictions of use................example each club has a set race night but do they have to get permission from the local council to race on a different night or if they can race til a different time Poole race Wednesday with the occasional Monday for TV and have permission to race Thursdays as well as an alternative race night...........not all teams have that option............ RP Every team has ridden on a Monday at home with no problem at all ..what team in the el and when has a team been stopped riding on a certain night by there local authority ? As for your first point no team is going to need to change there race night to when there stadium is used by someone else , Havent the 'top riders' ridden over here for most of the past 20 years and the crowd levels have been decimated in this time? Sure but as the standard has dropped so have the crowds . Edited February 18, 2016 by orion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beckettlion Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Interesting idea MikeBV, which in theory would be a good one.. However, I think it might disgruntle some fans and we might get a lot of people suggesting that riders would possibly be lowering their averages approaching the 'transfer window'. For example, half a team might deliberately pull up so that theyre average is lower, so that management can replace someone with a considerably higher average... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Or how about a transfer window where teams can strengthen up to a team average equal to that of the league leaders? At the moment teams can only go up to 45 or whatever the limit is, so if a team at the top is riding to an average of 50 or 55, a team at the bottom still cannot in theory match them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Or how about a transfer window where teams can strengthen up to a team average equal to that of the league leaders? At the moment teams can only go up to 45 or whatever the limit is, so if a team at the top is riding to an average of 50 or 55, a team at the bottom still cannot in theory match them. Great idea...😀😀 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Or how about a transfer window where teams can strengthen up to a team average equal to that of the league leaders? At the moment teams can only go up to 45 or whatever the limit is, so if a team at the top is riding to an average of 50 or 55, a team at the bottom still cannot in theory match them. That sounds far too sensible for s/way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevebrum Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Stevebrum, love him or loathe him, is at least a regular fan with a love of the sport. Like most other passionate supporters he talks with a mixture of sense and nonsense with a bias towards his own club. The sport is much better of with the stevebrums of this world than the armchair fans that offer advice but don't go as far as actually going through the turnstiles, for whatever reason. Well said El Addio, we all have our opinions either fair, biased or nonsensical at times. The love of the sport brings us all here. Some tho seem intent on putting down others and attacking instead of contributing or use that a scan excuse. I certainly won't be forced quiet by certain posters like rmc. Most of us are here for the love of our sport. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Or how about a transfer window where teams can strengthen up to a team average equal to that of the league leaders? At the moment teams can only go up to 45 or whatever the limit is, so if a team at the top is riding to an average of 50 or 55, a team at the bottom still cannot in theory match them. Since some clubs are struggling to sign good enough riders that get them up to the team building limit of 40.5 how are they going to find riders that get them up to a higher limit ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A ORLOV Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 (edited) Since some clubs are struggling to sign good enough riders that get them up to the team building limit of 40.5 how are they going to find riders that get them up to a higher limit ? Some foreign riders may just want to do part of a season, anyway it is not to get top riders the idea is to strengthen the teams rather than the dumbing down that takes place most years. It also allows clubs to put them back in a position to fight for a playoff spot if they can afford it and if the right riders are willing to be signed up. Edited February 19, 2016 by A ORLOV 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikebv Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 (edited) Interesting idea MikeBV, which in theory would be a good one.. However, I think it might disgruntle some fans and we might get a lot of people suggesting that riders would possibly be lowering their averages approaching the 'transfer window'. For example, half a team might deliberately pull up so that theyre average is lower, so that management can replace someone with a considerably higher average... Of course there will be some manipulation, it is Speedway after all mate! It would though provide supporters of a poorly performing team with some optimism that their season can still be turned around.. Far too many times a teams' season can be over by May with no realistic chance of the required level of improvement.. If the whole seven man average of the team with the highest figure at the time of the window is used, it would also help negate the big advantage teams can get by having the best reserves... As previously mentioned when Crumpy came back for a 'cameo' the fast hemorrhaging loss of fans stopped immediately with many returning.. Maybe more 'top riders' could do a similar few weeks rather than a full season.. Also let's be honest a poor team isn't good for either the team's business or the success of the wider league as a whole. My team have been poor for many years till last year and I am sure wouldn't have been a big draw card away from home resulting in a drop in attendances.. I know I have, on many occasions, looked at a poor opposition line up a day or two before the match and thought 'not going to bother' as you can foresee a one sided drubbing on the cards. Race nights, getting more top riders over etc etc can all be considered as a way of getting fans back.. Maybe just finding a system that keeps all the teams competitive from March to September will keep the stadiums fuller? Edited February 19, 2016 by mikebv 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Best of all we lose one of the worst forum obsessive bores! Sadly not, you're still here. Despite quitting the forum on multiple occasions because some people didn't agree with you. Interestingly, you mention in your post (that I've mainly edited out as it was full of poisonous venom) that we have 'names' riding round on their own, half a lap clear of the rest. I can only assume you are referring to Premier League? If it's the Elite League, please let me know who these 'names' are... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 top riders using Britain in march/april, because its convenient to them. nki is ok to start season at kings lynn, cos its convenient. theres no passion from these riders to dedicate themselves here, and british speedway still looking at all ways to accommodate these people. yes, I get fans want to see these riders, and if clubs want to change there historic race nights to accommodate them, go for it, but I personally think the biggest reason speedway has dipped is the sharing of riders. its pathetic riders have two clubs, and guest in another 6+ race jackets throughout a season..bank holiday fixtures going to be a mix n match day, with riders double booked! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Since some clubs are struggling to sign good enough riders that get them up to the team building limit of 40.5 how are they going to find riders that get them up to a higher limit ? Sometimes riders are attracted to riding part of a season later on in the year, look at Greg Hancock at Poole and Emily Sajfutdinov at Coventry. top riders using Britain in march/april, because its convenient to them. nki is ok to start season at kings lynn, cos its convenient. theres no passion from these riders to dedicate themselves here, and british speedway still looking at all ways to accommodate these people. yes, I get fans want to see these riders, and if clubs want to change there historic race nights to accommodate them, go for it, but I personally think the biggest reason speedway has dipped is the sharing of riders. its pathetic riders have two clubs, and guest in another 6+ race jackets throughout a season..bank holiday fixtures going to be a mix n match day, with riders double booked! One of the biggest faults of the sport is doubling up and even riders competing in several countries. I would love to see the sport get to the situation where it had enough riders to go round so that each team had its own seven. For that to happen the sport must make a concerted effort to get more riders involved. If each club was forced / encouraged to have its own youth set up would be a start. Then you might eventually get to the stage of having teams full of local riders and not relying on the cost of flying riders everywhere. Pie in the sky stuff but I can dream. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColinMills Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 its an amateur status sport in the current format. world cup, GP, formats work, but league racing doesn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Sometimes riders are attracted to riding part of a season later on in the year, look at Greg Hancock at Poole and Emily Sajfutdinov at Coventry. to. Greg only went to Poole because he lost his job in Poland when his team went out of the play-offs in the last few weeks of the season. He went to Poole because they could afford him and we're trying to get into the play offs. A club struggling at the bottom of th table by the end of July are not going to make the play- offs and are unlikely to splash out on a rider like Greg. I don't know about Emily Sajfutinov but as I recall her brother Emil only did a few weeks and missed a few meetings anyway. Emil wants a big wage upfront and no club struggling are likely to be able to afford it. He is very unlikely indeed to be seen riding for a British club. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 (edited) Greg only went to Poole because he lost his job in Poland when his team went out of the play-offs in the last few weeks of the season. He went to Poole because they could afford him and we're trying to get into the play offs. A club struggling at the bottom of th table by the end of July are not going to make the play- offs and are unlikely to splash out on a rider like Greg. I don't know about Emily Sajfutinov but as I recall her brother Emil only did a few weeks and missed a few meetings anyway. Emil wants a big wage upfront and no club struggling are likely to be able to afford it. He is very unlikely indeed to be seen riding for a British club. I don't see this as a way to bring back the big names at all if you want that just pay them enough to come here which the league can't afford .This idea may work with riders who can't find places at start of the season because of averages and end up waiting for injuries to happen .There are lots of permutations here for using riders without the expense of squad systems or ones that can only/want to ride at a certain time in the season. Edited February 19, 2016 by FAST GATER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topsoil Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Greg only went to Poole because he lost his job in Poland when his team went out of the play-offs in the last few weeks of the season. He went to Poole because they could afford him and we're trying to get into the play offs. A club struggling at the bottom of th table by the end of July are not going to make the play- offs and are unlikely to splash out on a rider like Greg. I don't know about Emily Sajfutinov but as I recall her brother Emil only did a few weeks and missed a few meetings anyway. Emil wants a big wage upfront and no club struggling are likely to be able to afford it. He is very unlikely indeed to be seen riding for a British club. Haha whoops didn't see my typo. Try Emily, she might be a bit cheaper than Emil. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
magnificentseven Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 Monday and Wednesday make sense given the main issue we have is double up riders missing inflicted from our own rules - no PL on these nights! It therefore defies logic that two teams moved from guest free home nights to Thursday and friday this year! The biggest issue in British speedway now is teams with missing riders. A team without identity is the result! There is an issue with the Danish League on wednesdays but we are not talking a lot of riders there. If you look back to the league 10 years ago, how different it is! 2006 - 11 teams, 20 league fixtures plus play offs cup and Craven Shield, plus opening challenges 2016 - 8 teams, 14 league fixtures plus play offs and teams that frankly would struggle to get 30 points in 2006. If fixed race nights raise the quality of riders and mean less are missing, its a positive step. Otherwise I would say a 21 team Premier League (at current PL level) sounds the next best bet at least with quantity of meetings and diversity. Once again we are being dictated to by other countries and are limited by their calls on riders. It's far too late to accommodate everyone. Poland ride Sundays and possibly Fridays now. Sweden ride Tuesdays and Thursdays. Denmark on Wednesdays. Fridays are affected by travel for qualifiers and the like. Saturdays by the GP's and qualifiers. It would be far better to go with the idea of a larger league with riders who can commit and want to ride over here rather than trying to fit in with riders who have showed they don't really want to be over here. A bigger league with more teams and more variety but maybe at a,lower level seems the more sensible route. The majority of fans already pick and choose their meetings, and there has been a lot of discussion amongst Wolves fans about the once a fortnight EL meetings at Monmore this year. Putting the whole league on such a footing just night be the final straw for many fans. Wolfie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gemini Posted February 19, 2016 Report Share Posted February 19, 2016 .....Wolfie......It would be far better to go with the idea of a larger league with riders who can commit and want to ride over here rather than trying to fit in with riders who have showed they don't really want to be over here.A bigger league with more teams and more variety but maybe at a lower level seems the more sensible route. I've been hoping for that for years but each season just when you think things can't get any worse the following year unfortunately they do. I think by the time there is one big league I'll either not be capable of getting to meetings or dead. Personally I'm hoping it's the former so I can at least carry on moaning about the state the sport is in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 I've been hoping for that for years but each season just when you think things can't get any worse the following year unfortunately they do. I think by the time there is one big league I'll either not be capable of getting to meetings or dead. Personally I'm hoping it's the former so I can at least carry on moaning about the state the sport is in. Would that mean an equal share out of Sky money rather than the chosen few deciding what happens with it ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel Smith Posted February 20, 2016 Report Share Posted February 20, 2016 Looking at other League's it looks like Thursday's could be a problem for some rider's in the UK. Just gone through the Swedish Allsvenskan 2016 teams and there's some strong rider's within those teams/squads. That league runs on Thursday's 🙈 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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