El Predictions 2016

[orion]

.. But lets not get in the way of a post war pre war era. When i doubt you were even cracking your teeth on Rusks...

?? what

[Starman2006]

 

 

?? what

Clearly you don't know what Rusks are, let me explain, they are round Biscuits that you give to kids when they are very young they were made by a firm called farleys.

[orion]

 

Clearly you don't know what Rusks are, let me explain, they are round Biscuits that you give to kids when they are very young they were made by a firm called farleys.

Think that's a whoosh .

[Starman2006]

Think that's a whoosh .

True tho..

[Bagpuss]

Belle Vue look favourites to me. I think there are question marks over fewer Aces riders than Poole men.

[Hamish McRaker]

Using my quality formula based on 4 categories;

1. Number one rider

2. Reserves

3. Riders 2-5

4. X-factor (ability of management to make effective changes, motivate, exploiting loopholes in the rules)

 

1. Poole 85%

2. Swindon 70%

3. Belle Vue 65%

4. Lakeside 65%

5. Coventry 55%

6. Wolves 50%

7. K.Lynn 40%

8. Leicester 40%

[Steve0]

Most dominate team in the sports history is Belle Vue.

Most dominate team in a given period depends on the given period and gets messy.

Have people forgotten rider control? One year we had to choose between Mauger and Collins. We would have kept both if a points limit was in place and changed the order further down and then carried on winning championships.

Also the worst team over the last 10 years has to be Belle Vue - although they turned things around last season

[E I Addio]

A Poole team of today would be half a lap in front of the fag smoking beer drinking riders of the past. .

Not sure if that is a fair comment. From at least the Fundin/ Briggs era and maybe before that, those at the very top laid off the booze, in contrast to the stories we hear these days about some riders getting legless before the GP's. In those days with a wider pool of riders coming into the sport there were far more naturally talented riders coming into the sport. Briggo was the first rider to realise the value of fitness but even he used to say it doesn't necessarily make you a lot better, it just keeps you at the top longer.

 

In the context of Poole today Holder is an obvious talent but I think someone like Davey would in almost any team of any era be pretty much what he is in today's team. Personally I think it's futile to compare eras. You have to compare like with like. Poole are a winning side and definitely on a roll but maybe not for the same reasons that Wembly were in the 50's or Belle Vue in the 70's. They should all be appreciated for what they are and not compared.

Edited March 1, 2016 by E I Addio

[BluPanther]

Thanks that was what I was asking. You cant compare different eras with different rules. It would be asking what Ronnie Sullivan would have done in the Fred Davis Era. A Poole team of today would be half a lap in front of the fag smoking beer drinking riders of the past.

 

So basically Wembley and Wimbledon lead the way. Much harder to repeat today due to team average restrictions.

Like George Best, Bobby Charlton, Jimmy Greaves and Johan Cruyff are not a patch on today's prima donna's...

[ouch]

Also the worst team over the last 10 years has to be Belle Vue - although they turned things around last season

True, but I took the term dominant in Steve's original post to be confined to winners and in that context The Aces have faired as well as most recently as you either win or you don't, second or last means nothing - in this context

 

If you take the word dominant in its broadest terms on a match by match basis then The Aces are streets ahead. We may have won more trophies than the rest but much to my annoyance we are by far the greatest team at coming second.

 

The last ten years have been a definite trade off for our pursuit of the new stadium that secures our long term future. In Aces terms it's been short term pain for long term gain.

[Crazy robin]

Like George Best, Bobby Charlton, Jimmy Greaves and Johan Cruyff are not a patch on today's prima donna's...

It was a ridiculous comment from Steve as riders on the past would be more than a match for today's riders.

 

They had much more skill on a bike rather than the stock majority of gate & go merchants who struggle to overtake riders.

 

I know which era I would rather watch & today's riders would be behind the 70, 80's in terms of real entertainment.

[bellevueace]

Imagine todays riders on the deep tracks of yesteryear? For me there was far more trackcraft in the 60,s 70,s 80,s rather than todays mainly gate and go, appears most of todays riders could learn a thing from the past as regards to team riding for example, an art that has all but died out nowadays.

[Crazy robin]

Imagine todays riders on the deep tracks of yesteryear? For me there was far more trackcraft in the 60,s 70,s 80,s rather than todays mainly gate and go, appears most of todays riders could learn a thing from the past as regards to team riding for example, an art that has all but died out nowadays.

100% correct & they rode on tracks that were wet.

[Gavan]

First set of EL prices posted on 'oddschecker':

 

Poole - 10/11

Belle Vue - 7/2

Swindon - 13/2

Coventry - 13/2

Wolverhampton - 14/1

Lakeside - 18/1

King's Lynn - 22/1

Leicester - 100/1

First set of EL prices posted on 'oddschecker':

 

Poole - 10/11

Belle Vue - 7/2

Swindon - 13/2

Coventry - 13/2

Wolverhampton - 14/1

Lakeside - 18/1

King's Lynn - 22/1

Leicester - 100/1

First set of EL prices posted on 'oddschecker':

 

Poole - 10/11

Belle Vue - 7/2

Swindon - 13/2

Coventry - 13/2

Wolverhampton - 14/1

Lakeside - 18/1

King's Lynn - 22/1

Leicester - 100/1

going to have a bet on Belle Vue myself. Poole are no odds on shots as to me the 3 heat leaders of Belle Vue will outscore the heat leaders of Poole. Second string wise Brady could just try that little to hard and Fricke is more experienced. Hans should go well and Poole are stronger in reserve. However the season looks a 2 horse race and a boring elite league. Always preferred the top division but glad my team are in the premier so should see good racing

[spin king]

(1) Poole

(2) Coventry

(3) Wolves

(4) Belle Vue

(5) Kings Lynn

(6) Swindon

(7) Lakeside

(8) Leicester

 

Cannot see past Poole for the top.

Ditto for Leicester for the bottom of the league.

Belle Vue to scrap through to the Play Offs, due to the new track.

Wolves to be the surprise package.

[mickthemuppet]

What sort of betting is this. Three bookmakers has put their odds up and every single one has the same price for each team. Not any value in any team.

[stevehone]

How many Championships have Ippo won in the last Er, um.

 

the team Ipswich put out I think in '98 would absolutely trounce the current Poole team

[Starman2006]

 

the team Ipswich put out I think in '98 would absolutely trounce the current Poole team

Yep, and they are still paying for it..

[Daniel Smith]

the team Ipswich put out I think in '98 would absolutely trounce the current Poole team

Our King's Lynn side that finished bottom in 98 would piddle all over this Poole side. It shows how far things have fallen away for British Speedway rather than a reflection on Poole.

 

Poole can only put out a side to current regulations, and yes, currently Poole are THE biggest club in British Speedway. Belle Vue over the last decade have tarnished their history slightly but now could, if run correctly, regain their higher status. Everything is in place for them to do so.

[Starman2006]

Imagine todays riders on the deep tracks of yesteryear? For me there was far more trackcraft in the 60,s 70,s 80,s rather than todays mainly gate and go, appears most of todays riders could learn a thing from the past as regards to team riding for example, an art that has all but died out nowadays.

Because the bikes today are completely different set up now. They do not act on deep tracks.