BluPanther Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 I have to say, injuries apart, I can't see past Poole lifting the title again. No clear weak links, riders for big and small tracks. Threats from Belle Vue and now with the withdrawel of North lesser so from Swindon. One for the historians. What is the team with the most dominant history in the sport? Wembley? Belle Vue? If Poole win the title this year will they be the most dominant club in the history of the sport in the UK over a given period? Genuine question and take into account in the old days there was no rider team building averages to work to. Belle Vue were dominant when UK Speedway was strong and the best league in the World. The mighty Aces were the big dogs in a large pack, whilst Poole are just the biggest fish in a small and shrinking pond. No comparison IMO... 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B.V 72 Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 I have to say, injuries apart, I can't see past Poole lifting the title again. No clear weak links, riders for big and small tracks. Threats from Belle Vue and now with the withdrawel of North lesser so from Swindon. One for the historians. What is the team with the most dominant history in the sport? Wembley? Belle Vue? If Poole win the title this year will they be the most dominant club in the history of the sport in the UK over a given period? Genuine question and take into account in the old days there was no rider team building averages to work to. All you can do is go off the record books the teams that have won the top league at the time in 3 or more consecutive seasons are Belle vue 1933,34,35,and 36. Wembley 1949,50,51,52,and53. Wimbledon 1954,55,and 56. Wimbledon 1958,59,60,61. Belle vue 1970,71 and 72. Poole 2013,14 and 15. Two teams have had 2 consecutive runs of 3 or more so it all comes down to peoples own opinions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reviresco Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 Wembley Lions of course also won the Title in 1946 & 47, so similar to Wimbledon, they both won 7 Titles in an 8 year period, with, as BV72 has shown, Wembley having 5 Titles back to back and Wimbledon 4 on the trot during their 8 year period. Poole's 7 Titles since 2003 have been achieved over a 13 year period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenspoon Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 Belle Vue's treble in 1970-71-72 was in a league of 19 teams, 18 in 1972, also in those leagues were Poole, Wembley, and Wimbledon. (Wembley missing in 1972) so that must have been the toughest period in which to win the title. It is all a matter of opinion as to which team was the greatest, you can only beat the opposition around at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 Steve hasn't asked which team was 'the best'. Simply which were the most dominant in their era. Those two teams would be Wembley and Wimbledon giving their 7 titles in 8 years record. If Poole win 2 or 3 more in a row they would take the mantle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woz01 Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 First set of EL prices posted on 'oddschecker': Poole - 10/11 Belle Vue - 7/2 Swindon - 13/2 Coventry - 13/2 Wolverhampton - 14/1 Lakeside - 18/1 King's Lynn - 22/1 Leicester - 100/1 Seems fair enough to me although I doubt some of the sides will have the same 1-7 by May. Looking at value either Swindon or Coventry for me, just one right change if averages work out can make them decent sides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mad Matt Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 If the Poole team stays fit then i cannot see anyone stopping them from winning it again. Holder is due a big year and i can see him being bang up for it this season and i expect Kurtz to have a good season too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shale Searcher Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 (edited) Seems fair enough to me although I doubt some of the sides will have the same 1-7 by May. Looking at value either Swindon or Coventry for me, just one right change if averages work out can make them decent sides. Leicester Lions will not prop up the league, I personally think they will scrape 5th, finishing positions could end up being decided on injuries, if current teams lose a number 1 to injury, especially mid season, where the hell are they going to get a like for like replacement from...?? Especially if this occurs mid season, with ist of the other top riders in the middle of the GP'S Polish League, SEC, and other leagues that are going to take precedence over the UK.. Edited March 1, 2016 by Shale Searcher Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Shovlar Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 Steve hasn't asked which team was 'the best'. Simply which were the most dominant in their era. Those two teams would be Wembley and Wimbledon giving their 7 titles in 8 years record. If Poole win 2 or 3 more in a row they would take the mantle. Thanks that was what I was asking. You cant compare different eras with different rules. It would be asking what Ronnie Sullivan would have done in the Fred Davis Era. A Poole team of today would be half a lap in front of the fag smoking beer drinking riders of the past. So basically Wembley and Wimbledon lead the way. Much harder to repeat today due to team average restrictions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Jones Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 (edited) Thanks that was what I was asking. You cant compare different eras with different rules. It would be asking what Ronnie Sullivan would have done in the Fred Davis Era. A Poole team of today would be half a lap in front of the fag smoking beer drinking riders of the past. So basically Wembley and Wimbledon lead the way. Much harder to repeat today due to team average restrictions. On the contrary, it's much easier now as we have a weak bunch supposedly controlling the sport and one promoter who is able to "flex" the rules to suit, at his discretion. In many peoples eyes it makes each season a foregone conclusion before a wheel is turned . Edited March 1, 2016 by Dave Jones 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 (edited) On the contrary, it's much easier now as we have a weak bunch supposedly controlling the sport and one promoter who is able to "flex" the rules to suit, at his discretion. Sorry Steves right. Years and years ago you had no restrictions whatsoever, so you could have and sign vertually who you liked. Nowadays you have a team building limit and you are restricted to the riders you sign, whether it be here or abroad. Now who's this one promoter who can Alledgedly flex the rules to his discretion then ? Edited March 1, 2016 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ouch Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 Most dominate team in the sports history is Belle Vue. Most dominate team in a given period depends on the given period and gets messy. Have people forgotten rider control? One year we had to choose between Mauger and Collins. We would have kept both if a points limit was in place and changed the order further down and then carried on winning championships. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigcatdiary Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 On the contrary, it's much easier now as we have a weak bunch supposedly controlling the sport and one promoter who is able to "flex" the rules to suit, at his discretion. In many peoples eyes it makes each season a foregone conclusion before a wheel is turned . I seriously doubt it will be anything different this year, Poole look easily the best team and with Ford on board they have every angle covered. Leicester look dreadful with the rest all chasing the runners up spot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 (edited) Most dominate team in the sports history is Belle Vue. Most dominate team in a given period depends on the given period and gets messy. Have people forgotten rider control? One year we had to choose between Mauger and Collins. We would have kept both if a points limit was in place and changed the order further down and then carried on winning championships. And your point is ? We, is that the Royal We.. I bet your not even old enough to remember Mauger and Collins. If we win it this year old son, they won't be.. Matts not finished by a long Chalk yet.. I seriously doubt it will be anything different this year, Poole look easily the best team and with Ford on board they have every angle covered. Put it this way, every club in the country would love Matt to be there promoter.. Edited March 1, 2016 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWitcher Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 And your point is ? If we win it this year old son, they won't be.. An amicable thread that appears to be about to be ruined again.... Starman, if Poole win it this year, that will be four in a row. Both Wembley and Wimbledon won it 5 in a row and also win it 7 years out of 8. Poole have not reached those levels yet, nor will they if they win it this year. As I said earlier, if they win it another 2 or 3 years in a row then they would be in the conversation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 (edited) An amicable thread that appears to be about to be ruined again.... Starman, if Poole win it this year, that will be four in a row. Both Wembley and Wimbledon won it 5 in a row and also win it 7 years out of 8. Poole have not reached those levels yet, nor will they if they win it this year. As I said earlier, if they win it another 2 or 3 years in a row then they would be in the conversation. No problem.. Time yet, but in the modern era, we are the most successful by a country mile.. But lets not get in the way of a post war pre war era. When i doubt you were even cracking your teeth on Rusks... How many Championships have Ippo won in the last Er, um. You cannot compare those eras when you had no points limit. Much easier in those days.. Edited March 1, 2016 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poole keith Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 surely tho never easy, it has to be easier working within a points limit than compulsary rider allocation starman,take this yr holder would be allocated to leic,magic if he was riding over here would also have been allocated to another club so not the same options for matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 (edited) surely tho never easy, it has to be easier working within a points limit than compulsary rider allocation starman,take this yr holder would be allocated to leic,magic if he was riding over here would also have been allocated to another club so not the same options for matt Mate in the bygone era you had no points limit, so the richest club/ s had the manopoly, they had the clout to sign who they wanted. Today you have to work to a points limit no matter what many on here like to say, you still have to stick withing that limit, and with the restrictions you have and rider avaliability its even harder. Year in year out, Matt puts together a side that at the bare minimum gets to the final. What is it, 6 on the trotski of four of those have been winners. Not bad that.. B WITCHER would love to be printing that.. Then he woke up... Edited March 1, 2016 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrcts Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 Is winning really important? Surely good racing and a close match is enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted March 1, 2016 Report Share Posted March 1, 2016 (edited) Is winning really important? Surely good racing and a close match is enough. Nope, winning is the be all and end all. You get nothing for finishing second. And those that say it the taking part that counts, phooey, Edited March 1, 2016 by Starman2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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