Changing Dates In Poland

[clambo71]

racers and royals, on 31 Jan 2016 - 2:16 PM, said:

Lets get one thing right-once and for all. Poland have NOT changed their fixture list- It was issued on 7th January with 7 Friday fixtures and 2 Saturday fixtures.

Perhaps my original post wasn't clear. There's more than one division in Polish speedway. I know of one rider who

signed for a lower league team who was assured their racing day was sunday and always has been but on receiving

the fixture dates last week find most dates are for Wednesday which now clash with most of his Danish and some of

his British dates.

[E I Addio]

1. How can a rider "commit" to dates before the fixtures are published and the dates are known?

e.

See Clambo 71's post above. That explains it.

[Reviresco]

Perhaps my original post wasn't clear. There's more than one division in Polish speedway. I know of one rider who

signed for a lower league team who was assured their racing day was sunday and always has been but on receiving

the fixture dates last week find most dates are for Wednesday which now clash with most of his Danish and some of

his British dates.

 

Polish League 1 fixtures show 16 x Sunday, 4 x Wednesday, 1 x Monday (28th March) and 1 x Friday (5th August) sets of fixtures for their 22 rounds.

[uk_martin]

See Clambo 71's post above. That explains it.

 

See Macca56's post above that makes a nonsense of Clambo71's post.

 

Also see the actual fixture list to see the evidence for yourself. July looks like it will be "interesting" with those Wednesday fixtures but there you go. http://sportowefakty.wp.pl/zuzel/i-liga/kalendarz

 

I'm surprised no-one has thrown their SkySports dummies out of their prams for many top Polish teams riding on Bank Holiday MONDAY on 15th August. I wonder which British fixture will be unaffected by the absence of Ekstraliga contracted riders on that day so that SkySports can have a semblence of a decent fixture to broadcast.

 

Put basically, the Poles are going to do what suits them, They have every right to. They owe the BSPA no favours at all, especially after the show of arrogance and faux-superiority shown by the BSPA in recent years towards Polish promoted "Mickey Mouse" events that the BSPA have snubbed. Well, snubbing is a double edged sword that cuts both ways.

Edited February 1, 2016 by uk martin

[Humphrey Appleby]

They owe the BSPA no favours at all, especially after the show of arrogance and faux-superiority shown by the BSPA in recent years towards Polish promoted "Mickey Mouse" events that the BSPA have snubbed.

Why are you conflating the Polish League and OneSport? They've no more in common than the BSPA and BSI.

[Bagpuss]

At the end of the day riders who need to be in two places at once are the ones who are going to suffer through loss of earnings. Its a pity all leagues can't get together and co-ordinate their fixtures for the greater good. I'm sure with a little more communication it could all have been sorted out.

[Shale Searcher]

You know, the Polish leagues, Swedish and Danish as well, I would even add the GP's and SEC to this group as not really being the main BEL enemy, it's the bloody rider injuries, faux injuries that damage rider availability, and then riding injured in the GP'S, Polish League and then pulling out of BEL meetings citing injured, or injured/tired and signed off with private sick notes......

Ride Sat in GP, ride Sunday in Poland, then injured and pull out of BEL Monday's, that's the real enemy!!!

[topsoil]

BUT what would be the incentive for a youngster if he cannot make a living and a career out of it and at the very least cover all his costs? And, of course, once they reach a certain standard the lure of racing elsewhere would still be there.

If a young rider wants to make a career and living out of it, all the more power to him, but it can't be from wages alone. I would think it would have to go down the line of personal sponsorship. In that regard I am very impressed by the way Nicki Pedersen has created a professional careers for himself and the way he actively goes out to seek sponsorship and the way he looks after theses sponsors.

If they reach a "certain standard" and are lured away by the attraction of high wages then good for them, it happens all the time in other sports. The secret is to have enough of a conveyor belt to replace these riders who move on. That is where the sport needs to concentrate a lot of effort into, continually producing young riders

[Shale Searcher]

If a young rider wants to make a career and living out of it, all the more power to him, but it can't be from wages alone. I would think it would have to go down the line of personal sponsorship. In that regard I am very impressed by the way Nicki Pedersen has created a professional careers for himself and the way he actively goes out to seek sponsorship and the way he looks after theses sponsors.

If they reach a "certain standard" and are lured away by the attraction of high wages then good for them, it happens all the time in other sports. The secret is to have enough of a conveyor belt to replace these riders who move on. That is where the sport needs to concentrate a lot of effort into, continually producing young riders

British speedway messed up big time in the late 1990's, they stopped training young Brits, well, didn't actively make a priority to get young blood into the sport at grass roots level. The main route to speedway was traditionally via Grasstrack racing, when that discipline of speedway floundered, it cut off the best route for lads to progress into speedway.. It became to easy to just pluck a Johnny foreigner from abroad, usually an unknown quantity, usually taking up reserve berths in the BEL, thus cutting off, severing the grasstrsck to BEL and the BPL were just as guilty if not worse, they would snap up all the BEL reserve Johnny foreigner cast offs!!!!

 

Only now is the problem being addressed, but the grasstrsck route is now miniscule in size and therefore no longer the breeding ground of potential British speedway riders..

Edited February 2, 2016 by Shale Searcher

[E I Addio]

See Macca56's post above that makes a nonsense of Clambo71's post.

 

Also see the actual fixture list to see the evidence for yourself. July looks like it will be "interesting" with those Wednesday fixtures but there you go. http://sportowefakty.wp.pl/zuzel/i-liga/kalendarz

 

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No it doesn't make a nonsense of it. Once again it is you trying to be provocative and argumentative instead of reading the thread properly. Anyway, as I said in post #3 on this thread it would be a mistake to jump to conclusions before all the facts are known and whether ant answer to the potential problem can be found.

3. Lucky Polish Speedway fans that they get so much live TV coverage. Do I detect some envy there?

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Nope, no envy from me. You picked the wrong one to aim that silly comment at. I prefer live Speedwáy to what you call "live TV " . The TV broadcasts don't do it for me. I need to be there with the noise, the atmosphere and the company so I rarely watch it on the telly. If the couch potatoes want to be in front of the box every night of the week that's up to them, but it's not for me. How about you ?

[Reviresco]

No it doesn't make a nonsense of it.

 

Clambo's post #21 states that 'most' of this unnamed rider's Polish League 1 fixtures are scheduled on a Wednesday.

 

My post may not have made a nonsense of Clambo's whole post, and was not intended to, but it did show that out of 22 scheduled rounds, only 4 of these are shown as being on a Wednesday. In my book, 4 out of 22 is not the most.

 

(It should be noted that some of the Polish League 1 fixtures will not take place as currently Rawicz and Opole will only race at home (and away to each other).)

[E I Addio]

Clambo's post #21 states that 'most' of this unnamed rider's Polish League 1 fixtures are scheduled on a Wednesday.

 

My post may not have made a nonsense of Clambo's whole post, and was not intended to, but it did show that out of 22 scheduled rounds, only 4 of these are shown as being on a Wednesday. In my book, 4 out of 22 is not the most.

 

(It should be noted that some of the Polish League 1 fixtures will not take place as currently Rawicz and Opole will only race at home (and away to each other).)

 

Yes, fair enough, and I have no problems with you point on the word "most" although that is going into semantics a bit. The wider point is that I have already referred to Philip Risings OP on the Polish TV thread in the international section.

 

Your point is fair comment but there appears to be more to this than the fixture list implies. As I keep repeating there is not great deal we can comment on until we know the full scale of the problem, who is missing from EL fixtures and how often, or indeed whether there is going to be a serious problem at all . All we have at the moment is the usual someone who heard something, which may or may not have some substance behind it.

[Tsunami]

Yes, fair enough, and I have no problems with you point on the word "most" although that is going into semantics a bit. The wider point is that I have already referred to Philip Risings OP on the Polish TV thread in the international section.

 

Your point is fair comment but there appears to be more to this than the fixture list implies. As I keep repeating there is not great deal we can comment on until we know the full scale of the problem, who is missing from EL fixtures and how often, or indeed whether there is going to be a serious problem at all . All we have at the moment is the usual someone who heard something, which may or may not have some substance behind it.

The change to a Friday racing was brought about by the TV company, not the individual clubs. The impact on fixtures, and rider availability, is currently under discussion and there could be many changes in the offing.

[Humphrey Appleby]

British speedway messed up big time in the late 1990's, they stopped training young Brits, well, didn't actively make a priority to get young blood into the sport at grass roots level. The main route to speedway was traditionally via Grasstrack racing, when that discipline of speedway floundered, it cut off the best route for lads to progress into speedway.. It became to easy to just pluck a Johnny foreigner from abroad, usually an unknown quantity, usually taking up reserve berths in the BEL, thus cutting off, severing the grasstrsck to BEL and the BPL were just as guilty if not worse, they would snap up all the BEL reserve Johnny foreigner cast offs!!!!

In fairness to the BSPA (and others), I think the efforts to develop speedway riders actively started in the late 1990s, but the real problem was the retain-and-transfer system. Riders moving between British teams attracted a transfer or loan fee, whilst riders from abroad could be signed for nothing.

 

There were financial disincentives to sign British riders, and also little done to encourage the inclusion of developing riders in teams.

 

Only now is the problem being addressed, but the grasstrsck route is now miniscule in size and therefore no longer the breeding ground of potential British speedway riders..

Whilst many riders did come through grasstrack, I think a lot also came from motocross encouraged by the better earnings possible in speedway. I seem to remember John Berry writing that he thought motocross skills were easier to adapt to speedway than grasstrackers could, and I think there's some truth in that.

[RobMcCaffery]

The TV broadcasts don't do it for me. I need to be there with the noise, the atmosphere and the company so I rarely watch it on the telly. If the couch potatoes want to be in front of the box every night of the week that's up to them, but it's not for me. How about you ?

If I could I would watch speedway live almost every night of the week and have very happy memories of when I could do so - and did, and I was paying at the gate, long before I worked in the sport!

 

Sadly, ill-health and the cost of travel and admission today precludes such delights and I have to rely on TV coverage instead most of the time. Thanks for the 'couch potato' jibe - it's a great comfort. I presume you pay at the gate as well for your fun?

 

Anyway, regarding Poland, I don't have any jealousy regarding a version of the sport that needs to segregate its crowds like football does here. I find it fascinating to observe but not to my taste. Others thrive in that kind of atmosphere. I saw enough of the poison in football. I'd rather have a British match, even with all of its problems, if only to know I'm (normally) in a safe, friendly environment where the rivalry doesn't usually turn nasty. Each to their own.

 

The message surely is clear though that British and Polish speedway are going to have serious problems coexisting, especially the Poles are now ';turning the screw'.

 

Whatever the rights and wrongs and who's to blame I see something I love being choked to death and its distressing to see some Brits gloating over this.

Edited February 3, 2016 by rmc

[BWitcher]

No it doesn't make a nonsense of it. Once again it is you trying to be provocative and argumentative instead of reading the thread properly.

 

Yes it does.

 

Clambo claims this rider has now discovered that 'most dates' are on a Wednesday. 4 out of 20 is not 'most dates'.

[E I Addio]

This is awesome stuff waiheke, keep it coming!

Yes it does.

 

Clambo claims this rider has now discovered that 'most dates' are on a Wednesday. 4 out of 20 is not 'most dates'.

Read the thread properly, and read posts 31and 32 where I was replying to Macca 56, who has already made the exact same point as you are now repeating. He "liked" my reply so he and I are clearly in broad agreement and he has obviously grasped the wider point I was making, even if you haven't . Edited February 3, 2016 by E I Addio

[BWitcher]

Read the thread properly, and read posts 31and 32 where I was replying to Macca 56, who has already made the exact same point as you are now repeating. He "liked" my reply so he and I are clearly in broad agreement and he has obviously grasped the wider point I was making, even if you haven't .

 

I have read the thread properly.

 

A claim was made. It was false.

 

Quite simple.

 

The wider issue is another conversation which I agree with.

Edited February 3, 2016 by BWitcher

[E I Addio]

I have read the thread properly.

 

A claim was made. It was false.

 

Quite simple.

 

 

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A point already made by Macca 56 a full day before you picked it up, and to which I replied "Yes, fair enough, and I have no problems with your point on the word "most"..........,," So his point was taken on board. Macca 56 then "liked" the post.

 

So the point was clarified between myself and Macca 56 and I don't think anyone with a reasonable command of Enlish would interpret the exchange in any other way. Goodness knows why you found necessary to repeat something that had already been resolved.

I wonder what your problem is sometimes.

[Humphrey Appleby]

So the point was clarified between myself and Macca 56 and I don't think anyone with a reasonable command of Enlish would interpret the exchange in any other way.

Yes, indeed...