E I Addio Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 A very average EL heat leader with a diminishingh average i hear is asking for a £2000 guarantee per meeting. We all "hear " things but whether they are true is a different matter. And "asking" is not the same as getting. He obviously doesnt have a job yet otherwise he wouldn't still be asking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 And here lies the reason why our sport is in the depression it is. I appreciate the EL promoters are fools unto themselves but for someone to post suggestions that the PL should run separately highlights the massive problem this sport has. Sod you jack attitude gets you nowhere. The sport is like a big boat, and everyone must pull their weight, unless they all pull together then the boat will sink. Whether you like it or not the EL is the show piece, and the PL is equal to a 2nd division. NL is the 3rd. The sport should be run as one and every team wanting to progress to that top tier. any other way is deemed to failure......... that' be to the Sport, The Divisions and the Fans...... Fair enough just tell the EL that it's all one "Boat " and to share the lifeboats equally including the Sky money if you want equality that's a good place to start , 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 I aggree. Any sponsor money should be directed to the sport and not individual clubs. Where the Sky fixtures are concerned, a payment could be made to offsett the low attendance, but that should apply to all matches , whether it be EL or PL. Please don't think I'm painting a picture aimed at the EL I think the sport should be run as one body, One set of rules....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E I Addio Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 I aggree. Any sponsor money should be directed to the sport and not individual clubs. Where the Sky fixtures are concerned, a payment could be made to offsett the low attendance, but that should apply to all matches , whether it be EL or PL. Please don't think I'm painting a picture aimed at the EL I think the sport should be run as one body, One set of rules....... There is a Sky payment to offset the low attendance which I presume the PL clubs must also get when televised. However the EL clubs are the ones that have the higher overheads in terms of riders costs, ,and are the greater attraction for TV so it's reasonable they get the bulk of the money. PL clubs can get a full share of the Sky money if they apply to come up. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g13webb Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 There is a Sky payment to offset the low attendance which I presume the PL clubs must also get when televised. However the EL clubs are the ones that have the higher overheads in terms of riders costs, ,and are the greater attraction for TV so it's reasonable they get the bulk of the money. PL clubs can get a full share of the Sky money if they apply to come up. I was of the same impression, although I wasn't sure if the same applied for the PL matches... My point being that rules should apply to all the divisions. In the case of Sky tele matches, the rule should be to supplement all home team for lost of attendance monies. Obviously that payments would representative of the overheads attributed as per division that they complete in, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 (edited) There is a Sky payment to offset the low attendance which I presume the PL clubs must also get when televised. However the EL clubs are the ones that have the higher overheads in terms of riders costs, ,and are the greater attraction for TV so it's reasonable they get the bulk of the money. PL clubs can get a full share of the Sky money if they apply to come up. So they are not all in the same Boat PL can have an EQUAL share of all the problems and short comings of the sport but not the "money" sounds about right . Edited January 29, 2016 by FAST GATER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveLyric2 Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 So who is it that thinks the majority of Pl clubs aren't up the very same s#!t creek as the EL?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 (edited) So who is it that thinks the majority of Pl clubs aren't up the very same s#!t creek as the EL?! Never mind that what about thinking that a league who can't find or fund a team of seven EL standard riders wants the lion's share of the Sky money to show five EL riders and two NL riders hidden under the guise of the FT system .How many riders have now progressed to full team places, they should have less money for putting a diluted product.The likes of Hancock ,Tai &co aren't coming back anytime soon :mad:when will people realise this . Edited January 29, 2016 by FAST GATER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tsunami Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 We all "hear " things but whether they are true is a different matter. And "asking" is not the same as getting. He obviously doesnt have a job yet otherwise he wouldn't still be asking. I also know of this guy who is asking for £2000 guarantee, and it is from a PL team !!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted January 29, 2016 Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 So they are not all in the same Boat PL can have an EQUAL share of all the problems and short comings of the sport but not the "money" sounds about right . Would sound about right in any sport ...it's quite clear and quite right that the top leagues get the lions share of the tv money ..you might not like the make up of the el sides but all EL teams would crush and are miles above any pl side . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FAST GATER Posted January 30, 2016 Report Share Posted January 30, 2016 (edited) Would sound about right in any sport ...it's quite clear and quite right that the top leagues get the lions share of the tv money ..you might not like the make up of the el sides but all EL teams would crush and are miles above any pl side . I have no doubts that there is a difference in the ability of riders in the three leagues and I think any rider should be paid as much as they can get within reason ,my point is that while there are issues for all s/way teams the EL spread theirs over everyone else.No one wants to see the demise of the El but it just seems blunder from one problem to the next and thinking these big names returning will improve things,all it will do is drain the last drop of money left in the sport. As to the make up of the El explain to a non s/way fan how the FT system operates and see their reaction protected heats are absolute nonsense ,we are all brainwashed into thinking it's for the future of the sport . Edited January 30, 2016 by FAST GATER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
orion Posted January 30, 2016 Report Share Posted January 30, 2016 Getting big names would makes things better .the one thing that has happened is as the teams have got weaker year by year so have the crowds . The bottom line is unless the teams get better the crowds will never pick up its a simple fact .finding a format to do that is the hard part but a must . 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobblytriers Posted January 30, 2016 Report Share Posted January 30, 2016 Getting big names would makes things better .the one thing that has happened is as the teams have got weaker year by year so have the crowds . The bottom line is unless the teams get better the crowds will never pick up its a simple fact .finding a format to do that is the hard part but a must . The crowds will pick up if the entertainment on track does too. You don't need all of the top men to have an exciting meeting. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pirate Nick Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 I also know of this guy who is asking for £2000 guarantee, and it is from a PL team !!!! Seriously? Surely nobody would be daft enough to pay that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starman2006 Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 I also know of this guy who is asking for £2000 guarantee, and it is from a PL team !!!! That won't happen mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daytripper Posted January 31, 2016 Report Share Posted January 31, 2016 I also know of this guy who is asking for £2000 guarantee, and it is from a PL team !!!! That's a big sum for a little chap! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heathen chemistry Posted February 16, 2016 Report Share Posted February 16, 2016 hearn will never touch speedway. he only got involved with snooker if he could control the whole shooting match. and he now does.no way would the promoters give up there powers to anyone...why wud they listen to hearn . they dont listen to the people who pay there wages now. the fans 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Voice Of Reason Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 (edited) As a Leyton Orient Supporter of some 45 years, I know a little of how Barry Hearn operates. He transformed the way that our club operated; and dragged it screaming into the 21st Century. He would not pay ridiculous wages - based upon the fact that he knew full well that we had a limited supporter base. Talking of which, if you think Speedway teams find it difficult to survive, try taking over a 4th Division Team in London; with the likes of West Ham, Tottenham and Arsenal literally on your doorstep. But he managed the books. He controlled costs. He would not be dictated to by players; nor by their blood-sucking, parasite 'agents'. He improved (actually re-built from scratch) three sides of our ground by thinking creatively; or outside the box - selling the four corners of the ground for the development of flats. That wasn't too popular as it does still appear that we are playing in the middle of a council estate; but needs must. He was not prepared, like so many other Chairmen who have learnt to their despair, to throw bucket loads of cash at improving facilities that were going to potentially bankrupt the club. Meanwhile, to bring in rent throughout the year (not just during the season) he built our West Stand to incorporate all Doctors Surgeries within the London Borough of Waltham Forest. We've even got a chemist shop next to the Supporters Club! It's fair to say that the facilities of our stadium could have only been dreamt about 15-20 years ago. Despite the ridicule that he has received from some elements of our supporter base (and they are more than entitled to their opinions) he basically steadied the ship; and whilst we didn't tear up any trees, we enjoyed some really exciting play-offs; a couple of brilliant F.A. Cup runs; and finally a promotion during his tenure. Compared to the 'eccentric' (and maybe that's being overly polite!) Italian Chairman we now have in charge, he was a breath of fresh air that basically saved us from oblivion. Of course he's also transformed darts; and many don't know he actually brought fishing to Sky TV. Not knowing anything about fishing, he read that there were literally several thousand 'fishermen hobbyists' within the UK - so basically said that he knew there was a market for televising it. He took the risk (something he's generally willing to do) and the rest is history. His tenure as a boxing promoter was of course extremely successful - particularly when Chris Eubank was under his wing. Getting back to darts, ask Phil Taylor (another from the 'Hearn stable') what he thinks of Barry - he truly adores him. I once read an article whereby he related that his son, who had just achieved a marketing degree, told him (words to the effect of) 'Dad you break every rule within the marketing/promotion book". To which he replied, "yes son, and that's why I've become a multi-millionaire in the Real World". I am absolutely convinced that Barry Hearn would improve Speedway within the UK. He has the ability, and possibly more importantly the contacts within media circles, to raise the sports' level of awareness. And whilst I admire ALL Speedway Promoters for their financial support and ongoing efforts, if truth be known, they aren't even in the same league as Barry Hearn. The sad thing is that it's possibly now too late. Barry certainly doesn't need the money; and isn't getting any younger. Such a shame as I truly believe without someone of Hearn's capability, the sport that we love will, in a few years time, probably be semi-pro; whilst a number of clubs will have gone to the wall. It's not a scenario that I'd ever want to see come to fruition - but I really don't see any alternatives at this particular time. Edited February 17, 2016 by The Voice Of Reason 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 (edited) As a Leyton Orient Supporter of some 45 years, I know a little of how Barry Hearn operates. He transformed the way that our club operated; and dragged it screaming into the 21st Century. He would not pay ridiculous wages - based upon the fact that he knew full well that we had a limited supporter base. Talking of which, if you think Speedway teams find it difficult to survive, try taking over a 4th Division Team in London; with the likes of West Ham, Tottenham and Arsenal literally on your doorstep. But he managed the books. He controlled costs. He would not be dictated to by players; nor by their blood-sucking, parasite 'agents'. He improved (actually re-built from scratch) three sides of our ground by thinking creatively; or outside the box - selling the four corners of the ground for the development of flats. That wasn't too popular as it does still appear that we are playing in the middle of a council estate; but needs must. He was not prepared, like so many other Chairmen who have learnt to their despair, to throw bucket loads of cash at improving facilities that were going to potentially bankrupt the club. Meanwhile, to bring in rent throughout the year (not just during the season) he built our West Stand to incorporate all Doctors Surgeries within the London Borough of Waltham Forest. We've even got a chemist shop next to the Supporters Club! It's fair to say that the facilities of our stadium could have only been dreamt about 15-20 years ago. Despite the ridicule that he has received from some elements of our supporter base (and they are more than entitled to their opinions) he basically steadied the ship; and whilst we didn't tear up any trees, we enjoyed some really exciting play-offs; promotion and a couple of really exciting F.A. Cup runs during his tenure. Compared to the 'eccentric' (and maybe that's being overly polite!) Italian Chairman we now have in charge, he was a breath of fresh air that basically saved us from oblivion. Of course he's also transformed darts; and many don't know he actually brought fishing to Sky TV. Not knowing anything about fishing, he read that there were literally several thousand 'fishermen hobbyists' within the UK - so basically said that he knew there was a market for televising it. He took the risk (something he's generally willing to do) and the rest is history. His tenure as a boxing promoter was of course extremely successful - particularly when Chris Eubank was under his wing. Getting back to darts, ask Phil Taylor (another from the 'Hearn stable') what he thinks of Barry - he truly adores him. I once read an article whereby he related that his son, who had just achieved a marketing degree, told him (words to the effect of) 'Dad you break every rule within the marketing/promotion book". To which he replied, "yes son, and that's why I've become a multi-millionaire in the Real World". I am absolutely convinced that Barry Hearn would improve Speedway within the UK. He has the ability, and possibly more importantly the contacts within media circles, to raise the sports' level of awareness. And whilst I admire ALL Speedway Promoters for their financial support and ongoing efforts, if truth be known, they aren't even in the same league as Barry Hearn. The sad thing is that it's possibly now too late. Barry certainly doesn't need the money; and isn't getting any younger. Such a shame as I truly believe without someone of Hearn's capability, the sport that we love will, in a few years time, probably be semi-pro; whilst a number of clubs will have gone to the wall. It's not a scenario that I'd ever want to see come to fruition - but I really don't see any alternatives at this particular time. Football is relatively well run in comparison to speedway, so even if a club isn't, you can fix that and find your level in the league system. Even so, Hearn hasn't stayed in the sport. The problem is speedway is just so badly broken that it needs a complete restructure from top to bottom, but that just can't happen unless you control all the tracks, or at least enough to push through the necessary changes. I expect Barry Hearn has already looked at speedway in the past, but ruled it out as something he can do anything with. Edited February 17, 2016 by Humphrey Appleby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyE Posted February 17, 2016 Report Share Posted February 17, 2016 There is a mighty difference between turning one club around and taking on an entire sport at national level! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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