Humphrey Appleby Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 Does the Spengler Cup qualify?Does seem a number of leagues take a bit of a break for that In fairness though, this seems to be organised by an actual ice hockey club that plays in an established competition. The pecking order is FIM, FIM Europe, national federations. OneSport is given dates after FIM has reserved theirs. I think they are trying to get along, as the SEC challenge for example is on a thursday this year. The wider issue is running parallel series. As speedway is primarily European based, it makes no sense to run World and European Championships which are essentially competing for the same riders and market. If there's an issue with how BSI run the SGP then deal with that, if certain countries/tracks feel left out then address that issue too, but it's absurd for the FIM and its mickey mouse offshoot FIM Europe to be sanctioning competing competitions in the same space. The pairs is slightly different in that there's not an existing FIM version of that, but that could have been a proper World Championship instead of the cobbled together nonsense it is now. Protecting your own is fine, but the BSPA's problem is not OneSport but the lack of a local pool of riders. Even 20 years ago it was 50/50 with uk or foreign riders in the top league. Why not wake up then and start making riders of your own? Even if Britain did have a sufficient pool of riders, taking part in European competitions would still require riders to be disappearing off almost every weekend. Aside from the duality of functions mentioned above, I'm not sure anyone is suggesting that these European competitions shouldn't be run to provide fixtures for continental tracks and riders, but neither should British speedway be criticised for not participating because it wants to run its own programme of meetings at the weekends (which it has done for the past 80 years). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iris123 Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 Not sure it really matters.Also you just have to look at the state boxing is in.Back in the 70s there were just 2 or 3 world federations,now anyone with a bit of money seems to be able to set up a federation and hold world title fights.Is there really anything to stop someone doing the same with another world or European speedway title ?But in any case it is all ok'ed by the FIM and so money should be going back into the speedway pot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 (edited) 2. There are several. Tour de Ski in cross country skiing is a sort of "mini-cup" in addition to the original world cup, albeit organized by FIS just like the regular world cup. Yes, but this forms part of the world circuit of events and I daresay elite cross country skiers tend to compete exclusively at that level. Conversely, football has alternating World Cups and European Championships that (usually) take place outside of the normal playing seasons of the main leagues. European club competitions have defined midweek dates and don't take away prime weekends from national leagues (although they're arguably more prestigious nowadays), whilst even the World Club Cup has a defined week in which it takes place. And the revenues from these competitions for better or worse, accrue to FIFA and UEFA even though where it goes after that is anyone's guess. NHL owners doesn't want "their" players to play in the Olympic so they revived their own world cup tournament simply because they considered getting too little pay from IOC's Olympic games tournament. The last thing haven't been said though regarding NHL player in the Olympic. North American sports have never really played well with the rest of the world, not least because the major leagues there are so financially dominant. We had two parallel touring car racing series in Sweden during 2012. STCC was the old established series but a few teams left STCC and started a new championship called TTA. For the 2013 season they had joined forces again though. For many years USA had competing formula cars racing series. I don't remember which series was which anymore but they were named IRL, IndyCar, ChampCar, CART and similar. Motor sports is a bit notorious for having rival series, but it usually comes down to disagreements over formulas and running costs. It'll usually be argued that series X differs from series Y in some subtle manner, although rarely is it ultimately good for the sport. As far as I know though, the riders in the SGP ride the same bikes as in SEC, so that can't be an argument. Edited March 2, 2016 by Humphrey Appleby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 In fairness though, this seems to be organised by an actual ice hockey club that plays in an established competition.The wider issue is running parallel series. As speedway is primarily European based, it makes no sense to run World and European Championships which are essentially competing for the same riders and market.If there's an issue with how BSI run the SGP then deal with that, if certain countries/tracks feel left out then address that issue too, but it's absurd for the FIM and its mickey mouse offshoot FIM Europe to be sanctioning competing competitions in the same space. The pairs is slightly different in that there's not an existing FIM version of that, but that could have been a proper World Championship instead of the cobbled together nonsense it is now.Even if Britain did have a sufficient pool of riders, taking part in European competitions would still require riders to be disappearing off almost every weekend. Aside from the duality of functions mentioned above, I'm not sure anyone is suggesting that these European competitions shouldn't be run to provide fixtures for continental tracks and riders, but neither should British speedway be criticised for not participating because it wants to run its own programme of meetings at the weekends (which it has done for the past 80 years).I feel the same way about parallel series and also about your last sentence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Long Eye Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 In fairness though, this seems to be organised by an actual ice hockey club that plays in an established competition. The wider issue is running parallel series. As speedway is primarily European based, it makes no sense to run World and European Championships which are essentially competing for the same riders and market. If there's an issue with how BSI run the SGP then deal with that, if certain countries/tracks feel left out then address that issue too, but it's absurd for the FIM and its mickey mouse offshoot FIM Europe to be sanctioning competing competitions in the same space. The pairs is slightly different in that there's not an existing FIM version of that, but that could have been a proper World Championship instead of the cobbled together nonsense it is now. Riders want to do it, promoters want to stage it, fans want to watch it and sponsors want to be invest in it. What's the issue? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted March 2, 2016 Report Share Posted March 2, 2016 Riders want to do it, promoters want to stage it, fans want to watch it and sponsors want to be invest in it. What's the issue? The "but neither should British speedway be criticised for not participating because it wants to run its own programme of meetings at the weekends (which it has done for the past 80 years)." says it all. Some want things to be like the "always" have been. If Speedway is going survive it's time to stop with the "territorial thinking" like the one above. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humphrey Appleby Posted March 3, 2016 Report Share Posted March 3, 2016 The "but neither should British speedway be criticised for not participating because it wants to run its own programme of meetings at the weekends (which it has done for the past 80 years)." says it all. Some want things to be like the "always" have been. It's not question of being opposed to change, but asking whether competitions between made-up commercial teams are actually going to advance the sport in the long-term. We were also told the SGP would usher in a new era that would take speedway to new markets, but the sport has not moved forward in the past 15 years, and very arguably has regressed. Now it might possibly have regressed even more without the SGP, but equally had similar effort and investment been put into league racing then the story might be different as well. This European Pairs competition offers three meetings for about 21 riders. Without league racing providing regular fixtures for the other 30 weeks of the season, what else are they going to be doing for the rest of the year, not to mention the other 400 or so professional riders? Now I fully accept that staging some competitions for elite riders generates interest and a certain showcase for the sport, but the right balance has to be struck between these events and needs and requirements of the bread-and-butter of the sport. What certainly should not be happening is elite competitions competing with each other for riders and revenue, and what certainly should be happening is some of the profits from elite competitions accruing directly back to the underlying sport that sustains them. If people prefer one-off meetings organised by private promoters between made-up commercial teams then fine, but let's see how the sport progresses in the next few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 Any idea or listings that show when I can watch these on Eurosport? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 Any idea or listings that show when I can watch these on Eurosport? Tried this link? http://tv.eurosport.fi/tvschedule.shtml Only show the nearest two weeks though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
f-s-p Posted March 16, 2016 Report Share Posted March 16, 2016 Tried this link? http://tv.eurosport.fi/tvschedule.shtml Only show the nearest two weeks though. No I had not tried that. Did know though that they are not listed anywhere. Thats why I was asking about listings that show something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-balde- Posted March 18, 2016 Report Share Posted March 18, 2016 Eurosport will only show Speedway Best Pairs in Poland. What a shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 (edited) It will be shown afterwards on ESP 2 Swe at 21.10. Seems to be mainly football on ESP2 and figure skating on ESP1 which I assume have much higher viewing figures. Edited March 22, 2016 by Ghostwalker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted March 22, 2016 Report Share Posted March 22, 2016 In Britain looks as if we have it live at 4pm for 3 hours-Saturday 2nd April eurosport 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 On German Eurosport this year there will be absolutely no speedway coverage anymore. No more SEC and no more Best Pairs Cup, even though some German Sponsors have invested in teams to enter the SBPC, expecting to get live tv presentation, with a SBPC round held at Landshut, and a SEC round at Güstrow, plus the SEC Challenge at Olching. German Eurosport have stated that tv audience figures for live speedway were disappointing last year, compared to MotoGP and Superbikes coverage. Since there is still no tv coverage of the SGP and SWC here in Germany, this decision is a major set back, with once again no speedway to be seen on tv in our country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Noodles Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 On German Eurosport this year there will be absolutely no speedway coverage anymore. No more SEC and no more Best Pairs Cup, even though some German Sponsors have invested in teams to enter the SBPC, expecting to get live tv presentation, with a SBPC round held at Landshut, and a SEC round at Güstrow, plus the SEC Challenge at Olching. German Eurosport have stated that tv audience figures for live speedway were disappointing last year, compared to MotoGP and Superbikes coverage. Since there is still no tv coverage of the SGP and SWC here in Germany, this decision is a major set back, with once again no speedway to be seen on tv in our country. I blame BSI. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghostwalker Posted March 25, 2016 Report Share Posted March 25, 2016 Jarek Hampel will not ride in SBPC in Torun this week due to the issue with his leg. Janusz Kolodziej will replace him. http://www.speedwaynyheter.se/2016/03/25/sbp-kolodziej-ersatter-hampel-torun/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted March 29, 2016 Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 Here is the latest line-up for Saturday`s 1st round of the Speedway pairs cup from Torun- live on British Eurosport 2 at 4pm Boll Team:1. Niels Kristian Iversen2. Martin Vaculik15. Patryk Dudek Nice Racing:3. Artiom Łaguta4. Antonio Lindbaeck16. Grigorij Łaguta City Team:5. Kai Huckenbeck6. Tobias Kroner17. Tobias Busch Fogo Power:7. Emil Sajfutdinow8. Bartosz Zmarzlik18. Tobiasz Musielak Trans MF Pro Race Team:9. Martin Smolinski10. Nicki Pedersen19. Renat Gafurow Eport2000.pl Team:11. Piotr Protasiewicz12. Grzegorz Zengota20. Janusz Kołodziej Monster Energy Team:13. Greg Hancock14. Chris Holder21. Paweł Przedpełski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCB Posted March 29, 2016 Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 (edited) All that fuss about no Team GB and the year it's not countries its mix and match no Brits in it anyway And none of them teams make any sense - apart from Monster as we do know team Monster. I just don't see the point. Edited March 29, 2016 by SCB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racers and royals Posted March 29, 2016 Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 (edited) All that fuss about no Team GB and the year it's not countries its mix and match no Brits in it anyway And none of them teams make any sense - apart from Monster as we do know team Monster. I just don't see the point. Most of the teams are big Polish sponsors of their riders-exactly the same as Monster ! ie Boll, Nice and Fogo Edited March 29, 2016 by racers and royals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bavarian Posted March 29, 2016 Report Share Posted March 29, 2016 I'd bet for the next round of this tournaent, the composition of the pairs/teams will look different again. Seems this has been transforemd into an event to put the sponsors in the spotlight and on tv. Just which rider is in which team seems totally irrelevant. An absolute nonsense competition in my eyes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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